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    Playblair you do realize you can stan Blair on whatever team he joins
    he doenst have to play for SA and ride the bench

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    ^ bruh tiago/blair compliment each other very well..................... its no longer an either/or................. we can unite ................... blair = rebounding splitter = defense................. splitter/blair = PNR............... trade bonner.....................

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    For those who saw him in Europe how is vesely's defense? Can he guard the 3 and 4?

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    He actually played a lot at the five last game (the one before today). I think that will end up being his NBA position. I wouldn't write him off completely, as he's clearly transitioning from combo-forward to full-time big man. But right now, he looks like he's farther away from contributing in the NBA than Richards, who looks far away himself.

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    He actually played a lot at the five last game (the one before today). I think that will end up being his NBA position. I wouldn't write him off completely, as he's clearly transitioning from combo-forward to full-time big man. But right now, he looks like he's farther away from contributing in the NBA than Richards, who looks far away himself.
    Wow, now thats a scary thought.. , maybe we could even entice the Wiz with Richards in that case..

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    I think its pretty easy: Wiz want to give us Vesely or Singleton (but not Seraphin) for Blair but Spurs don't like them. Maybe they talked about Ariza for Blair+Bonner/Neal but Wiz don't want Bonner/Neal. End of story.
    Gotta disagree. Grunfeld is on record as saying that he covets a stretch four to compliment Nene and their other bigs. Given that they also on record as being interested in Blair, a Blair/Bonner for whomever-type deal is not out of the question.

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    Jan Vesely right now have close to no value, don't know why some of you seems to want him, he is miles away from being able to contribute somthing anytime soon, and also future wise i personally didn't see in him much potential, he has no skills... i much prefer the other options, Singleton could be solid backup, Booker can be an improvment over Blair, even Glen Rice Jr is a nice prospect for the future who fits well...

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    pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee re-sign

    With the cHeat?

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    Wow, now thats a scary thought.. , maybe we could even entice the Wiz with Richards in that case..
    I wouldn't. Richards has a higher ceiling than Vesely does. Once the Spurs actually give him a camp invite, he'll probably bounce around from team to team for almost a decade before they finally give up on him. This is probably Vesely's penultimate contract.

    No question if given the choice, Singleton would get the nod from me.

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    I wouldn't. Richards has a higher ceiling than Vesely does. Once the Spurs actually give him a camp invite, he'll probably bounce around from team to team for almost a decade before they finally give up on him. This is probably Vesely's penultimate contract.

    No question if given the choice, Singleton would get the nod from me.
    Ok I didn't say anything the first time but here you go a second time, so not only is Richards the scrub playing in the scrubiest league you can imagine with kids and fat people more nba ready than Vesely but he also has a higher ceiling...

    Let's just say I'm not with you on that one....................

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    Ok I didn't say anything the first time but here you go a second time, so not only is Richards the scrub playing in the scrubiest league you can imagine with kids and fat people more nba ready than Vesely but he also has a higher ceiling...

    Let's just say I'm not with you on that one....................
    What do you think is Vesely's ceiling? Honestly, I don't know since he really has no NBA skills at all except dunking. He can't dribble, can't shoot, can't defend, can barely rebound. I don't think Washington will pick up his option these season, and I think he'll get one more contract after that, since , Thabeet also got another contract. MAYBE he can learn to be a center and stay for another contract. But that's a big maybe.

    Richards has the physical skills to be a really good NBA player. He already can shoot, handle the ball and rebound. And he has quick feet for his size. He's taller and longer than Vesely, in addition to being younger. His problem is that he just has no awareness on a basketball court. So it seems pretty easy to fix, which will lead to him getting multiple contracts and sitting on the bench as a worst-case scenario.

    So yeah, I think Richards has much more potential than Vesely. You can see what type of player he could become, which is a tremendous mismatch at the five. Vesely would need to figure a lot of things out just to have a position. He's young enough to do that, I agree. But even then, what's his upside? Maybe Bredan Wright as he is now?

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    ^agree richards will be a spurs rotation player in near future ..................................

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    For those who saw him in Europe how is vesely's defense? Can he guard the 3 and 4?
    No, neither. Fouls out so quickly it's pathetic.

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    Jan Vesely sucks a lot, but damn Richards sucks more.

    I guess none of you watched Vesely in Europe cause for a 19 year old he was playing great there. Thats why he was the 6th pick while Richars who plays in a ty league in Austria was a late second rounder.

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    What do you think is Vesely's ceiling? Honestly, I don't know since he really has no NBA skills at all except dunking. He can't dribble, can't shoot, can't defend, can barely rebound. I don't think Washington will pick up his option these season, and I think he'll get one more contract after that, since , Thabeet also got another contract. MAYBE he can learn to be a center and stay for another contract. But that's a big maybe.

    Richards has the physical skills to be a really good NBA player. He already can shoot, handle the ball and rebound. And he has quick feet for his size. He's taller and longer than Vesely, in addition to being younger. His problem is that he just has no awareness on a basketball court. So it seems pretty easy to fix, which will lead to him getting multiple contracts and sitting on the bench as a worst-case scenario.

    So yeah, I think Richards has much more potential than Vesely. You can see what type of player he could become, which is a tremendous mismatch at the five. Vesely would need to figure a lot of things out just to have a position. He's young enough to do that, I agree. But even then, what's his upside? Maybe Bredan Wright as he is now?
    With Vesely I see flashes on defense, he's a good athlete with a lot of speed, I think he could become better than Splitter if developped properly... Let's not forget that a 27 years old Splitter was hacked successfully...

    With Richard, I don't see a nba player but he might get it together and explode one day but right now I don't even see flashes...

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    Gotta disagree. Grunfeld is on record as saying that he covets a stretch four to compliment Nene and their other bigs. Given that they also on record as being interested in Blair, a Blair/Bonner for whomever-type deal is not out of the question.
    Right. Most likely Wiz started with offering trash. Spurs demurred. At some point if Washington is still interested in Blair then they'll come back.

    Ariza's expiring contract in and of itself has value at $7+MM. That could facilitate a significant deal at the deadline. Spurs may have to give up a pick as well. Of course, the Wizards are bumping up against the lux tax and if they really want Blair, they need the S&T.

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    Vesely's form and how he play looks a poor man's Kirilenko to me. He can't shoot either.

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    Vesely is terrible, but guy has potential. Rafael Uehara speaks highly of him. Also read an article that he might have a chance to grow had he been with the Spurs.

    http://wagesofwins.com/2013/05/21/ho...kawhi-leonard/

    Shaky jumpshot, bad FT shooting, wire thin, but the guy runs like a gazelle, is tall for his position (6'11"), and has above-average athleticism for a Euro. Might work well in small-ball line-ups.
    Last edited by FireMicoHalili; 07-14-2013 at 08:32 PM.

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    Bonner and Blair S+T for either Trevor Ariza or Kevin Seraphin.

    Trevor Ariza will help fill the backup SF position we need badly.

    However, Kevin Seraphin will serve as a GREAT backup PF from France who can build good rapport with Tony Parker and is young, so he can play big minutes while giving Duncan rest.

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    Oh and for those who are good at crunching numbers:

    the salary for Trevor is already posted, but Kevin Seraphin's salary number:
    2.7 for 2013-2014, and 3.8 mil qualifying offer for 2014-2015

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    ariza...good..would be to get

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    Seraphin or Booker please

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    well this thread escalated quickly..

    lol at the 'lets get ariza' comments.. when leonard and bellinelli can run at the 3

    i wish for once, spurs would actually get a good bigman.. if it were possible to get nene from the wizards, that'd be my pick, he may be bit older than he was during his glory days but he still won't get swatted 10 times a game

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    The Lakers won the following season. He left after the Magic finals. Metta came and they beat Boston the next year. The Lakers still made the semi's the next two years after and the postseason this season. Its not like the franchise went to he played well there. The point you're making is that he plays well on winning teams (I assume) that could be the case but Ariza stunk in Houston and N.O. He has been injured in Washington this past season. One would hope he'd be consistent throughout.
    Yes you are right I stand corrected!

    And yeah... Ariza is the icing on the cake kinda player.

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    Disagree about Okafor being the better trade asset. Ariza's got a high enough salary where you can package him with a couple of younger players and take on a huge salary while letting the other team reduce their payroll in the process. Not as easy to do with Okafor. Also, Ariza would be a lot more affordable if the acquiring team wanted to try to get something more out of the player than just being an expiring contract.
    Okafor is a solid locker room guy and has been a proven commodity in the NBA. He's only 29 (young for a center) solid defender, rebounds and blocks shots, and puts up a decent amount of points as well. A $14 million dollar expiring contract could allow them to take a chance without taking on filler or sending out other players.

    For example they could move him for a player like Carlos Boozer. The Bulls would jump at the chance to get out of his 2 remaining seasons and Okafor doesn't have to start there. The Wiz get a floor spacer and a good post player, who has actually played better the last couple of seasons after underwhelming his year season (post signing).


    They could do something like this instead...

    Kings Get

    Emeka Okafor

    Wizards Get
    John Salmons (expiring deal)
    Patrick Patterson-Young and talented. Hasn't had a consistent role in part because he was buried in the depth chart in Houston. 15.8 PER and can hit 3's and defends post players fairly well.
    Jimmer Freddette-A former lotto pick, lost playing time to Thomas, and Evans. Can shoot and could be a evolve into a nice player off the bench.

    Ariza is a backup SF in this league paying him 7.7 million (even though its expiring) isn't very attractive. He is somewhat vauable to playoff teams but few can afford him without giving up a rotation player and a cheap prospect. Those teams would be better off playing a bigger guard at SF (if they have one, which we do in Beli, Manu and Green)

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