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i agree with CG. i must have never seen the james anderson that chinook is speaking of.
You're just a lot higher on Anderson than I am. I don't think he's a viable bench player at all. He couldn't crack the rotation here and in Houston he just got garbage minutes and was the occasional injury replacement for Parson or Delfino. I agree with you that there's no risk, but IMO there's also no point. He's certainly not good enough to beat out Green/Manu/Belinelli for minutes.
i agree with CG. i must have never seen the james anderson that chinook is speaking of.
Did you watch him in his brief return to the Spurs last season? He was actually pretty good then. A lot of us didn't really expect the team to release him.
Not really. He was signed for the minimum salary but not to a min contract.
The max length for a min contract is 2 years and Anderson signed for 2 and half years by Houston with their cap space. A player with that kind of contract need a trade exception/cap space to be claimed from waivers.
yes, and he was no one that i missed in any way, shape of form after his release or ever thought could have helped us had he still been here.
Indeed. So does that apply to trades as well? The CBA FAQ does use the term "minimum salary contract" for waivers, but it just uses "minimum-salary players" trades.
Fair enough. We just disagree. I saw a guy who performed well when given decent minutes.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2013/
That's his game history from last season. If you look at the games were he played more than 14 minutes, he did quite well. I remember him fondly from that Miami game last season.
Last year, with few minutes, James Anderson's WS/48 was a bit above league average at .106
Below league average, from better to worse were De Colo, Neal, Baynes and Jackson.
IOW, Anderson could be a huge upgrade over Jackson, and it's Jackson's slot that the Spurs are trying to fill with Kirilenko or Thomas.
We haven't seen Thomas play SF defense yet. (Thomas should get to defend Mike Scott tonight.) It would be nice to see a training camp where Anderson and Thomas had to play each other alot.
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Yep, it does.
I dunno. The exact quote from Coon's FAQ is "The player has a minimum salary contract." The two year limit is just for teams over the cap wanting to use the minimum player salary exception. Teams can give minimum salary contracts for longer than two years, they just can't use the minimum player salary exception to do it. If Coon is quoting directly from the CBA here, it sure looks to me like the Spurs would be able to claim Anderson who does have a contract that pays him a minimum salary. But, we don't know if this is a direct quote. This could be a case where Coon's attempt to "dumb it down" for the average folk loses something in translation.
Oh, that explains it. I was thinking guaranteed contract, not someone we might cut in camp. Of course that makes sense then.
don't get me wrong. i'd take him over colo at this rate.
Would rather have Thomas take a roster spot over James Anderson.
..as would i. anderson had his moment. if thomas is the equivalent to anderson, i'd rather give the shot to the former.
To claim a player from waivers, you have to use cap space or an exception (trade exception, disabled player exception, min salary exception). If a player doesn't fit the min salary exception, he can't be claimed with it.
From the CBA:
Minimum Player Salary Exception. A Team may sign a player to, or acquire by assignment, a Player Contract, not to exceed two (2) Seasons in length, that provides for a Salary for the first Season equal to the Minimum Player Salary applicable to that player (with no bonuses of any kind).
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That just sounds odd. Exceptions, and even cap room for that matter, only look at what's happening in the current year. Past years and future years aren't considered. A team with cap room this year but not next gets to use their current year cap space to sign free agents to multi year contracts. Teams that have to match salaries in a trade only have to worry about current year salaries. Teams can sign a guy to a multiyear MLE contract that will result in that player getting paid more than the MLE in future years. It just seems wierd that waivers would look at contracts as a whole instead of just focusing on the current year as all the other NBA transactions do.
I'm not saying you're wrong, BTW, just that it seems inconsistent.
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Signing exceptions cover the whole deal by setting parameters for the first year. So the MLE allows teams to offer a contract starting at $5.15 Million that lasts up to four years. So it's not that $5.15 Million is the MLE; it's the whole $22M/4 which comes from extrapolating the first year under the MLE's parameters. The minimum-salary exception allows teams to sign players for a deal that starts at the minimum and lasts no more than two years. In that regard, it's a mini-mini-mini MLE. Just as a team can't sign a player for three years using BAE, so too are they unable to sign a MSE player for three years.
That's why the Spurs needed to keep some of their MLE to sign Thomas/Denmon/Richards to a minimum deal longer than two years.
As far as trades go, I'm actually not sure where Bruno got the information from, but on waived players, the CBA FAQ is very clear to mention that the players must be on minimum-salary contracts, which Coon specifically define as Bruno said. He didn't say that for trades, but that could just be an oversight on his part. I don't think it's inconsistent of the NBA to do so. If anything, it's generous, since a team can't use the MLE to acquire players in trades, for example. I should have read more carefully the first time.
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One spot open, A SF need. He is an SF....
Unless you're down with Manu, Diaw or Beli playing the 3.
Its not like he would be a disaster. Shoot defend and head to the bench. He can do all three in the short amount of time.
Edit: He's going to the 76'ers so it doesn't matter.
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