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I don't think it will be De Colo. Just look at their guards. Wall, Beal, Webster, Maynor, Temple amnd Rice Jr. Nando would probably just sit on the bench there. Now if they want him for his contract I am all in.
Ah yes, that great source NBA_troop. Let's just stop the semen cloud right now before it gets out of hand. Prove me wrong.
I don't think it will be De Colo. Just look at their guards. Wall, Beal, Webster, Maynor, Temple amnd Rice Jr. Nando would probably just sit on the bench there. Now if they want him for his contract I am all in.
Thinking more along the lines of using a De Colo salary dump as a means to cir vent Blair's BYC issues. Right now, it'd be hard to trade Blair by himself.
You would think, but for a guy signing a min offer, he would surely shop himself around as long as he could before accepting that deal.
If it was for a min he'd probably signs for some better team. I think it'll be something like 3Y/9M.
Well, if Pop can't get his own head out of his ass and play Nando, perhaps it would be best to have Nando move to Washington where he can start, tbh...
^ nando/blair PNR =.......................
I'd be more interested in seeing that PlayNando/playblair PnR on WizardsTalk, honestly. Well not seeing it, but knowing it's there and not here.
Word............imagine a wall/blair PNR tho....................^ nando/blair PNR =
Well, if Pop can't get his own head out of his ass and play Nando, perhaps it would be best to have Nando move to Washington where he can start, tbh...He's not going to start for Washington either.
Last edited by TXstbobcat; 07-16-2013 at 11:35 PM.
So this donkey has bite. The more you post, the more clueless you sound. The Spurs aren't giving up a first round pick for Blair and unless they trade Bonner which they've been trying to do for the past two seasons, Ariza is an imposibility. The fact that you think De Colo is an option just adds to the absurdity of this whimsical retort. Washington wants actual contributing players, not a bunch of junk in the trunk that hardy Spurs fans want to deep six unless you're insinuating the Spurs can't be contenders without Ariza, or in your own words, a player that isn't any good. And your takes are nothing to write home about. I don't post for ratings, glory and pats on the back so I don't really care what other people think. If I was posting for Timvp's approval in every one of my posts, I'd fill my posts with more fluff like you..
Great juxtaposition of statements right there, man. It doesn't matter if you meant, "The Spurs aren't giving up a first-round pick for Ariza," or, "The Wizards aren't giving up a first-round pick for Blair." Either statement would be completely counter to the entire point you're trying to make. Also, Bonner's an expiring contract. That's the major part of his usefulness. So the doesn't have to be salary-dumped like you seem to think he does. No matter how bad of a player he is, he still has value until the trade deadline -- again, you need to understand trade economics before you try to discuss them.
ahh, internet courage *stirs coffee*
Well...
I'm not going to continue these round-a-bouts with you if you can't even remember what you posted.
Once again, This has less to do with trade economics and more to do with trade purity. For 3 million dollars, Ariza is more valuable to the Wizards than Bonner would ever be because he plays on both ends of the court. He's more athletic, His offense is more fluid and he could run circles around Bonner on defense. Oh, and he's 5 years younger.
And the Spurs aren't going to be interested in giving up first round draft picks for a glorified role player who might only be here for the year and with rebuilding right around the corner. That's just counterproductive. Washington is interested in a Spur and you want the Spurs to give up draft picks? Sounds a bit ass-backwards to me.
if we could actually pry ariza out of washington, i'd be surprised. pleasantly surprised, obviously, but surprised
I don't think you get why your statement doesn't make sense. The Spurs wouldn't be giving up a pick FOR Blair in any cir stance. They'd be giving one up ALONG with Blair and Bonner's expiring for Ariza. I said that deal would beat any other deal Washington will get this season unless a team needs the Wizards to take back a long-term deal. Personally, I don't think it would take that much, and if I were the Spurs, I'd roll with what I had over giving up a pick for Ariza. I was just pointing it because you seem to think the Spurs don't have the assets to make a trade. They have as good of assets as any contender will, unless the Rockets trade Asik for an exception.
You don't understand trade economics. Bonner's deal is valuable no matter how poorly he plays (which isn't nearly as poor as you think, but whatever -- no one's really defending him here). Ariza's deal is more valuable because it's a bigger expiring contract. The fact that Ariza can play isn't non-negligible, but it pales in comparison to his contract ending after this season. If this were two years ago, he'd have the negative trade value he did when New Orleans dealt him away. The Spurs are compensating for the value difference by trading a player the Wizards want, whom they can't get any other way (as far as we know). They could also throw in a pick, which at that point would almost assuredly beat out any possible deal any team would make.Once again, This has less to do with trade economics and more to do with trade purity. For 3 million dollars, Ariza is more valuable to the Wizards than Bonner would ever be because he plays on both ends of the court. He's more athletic, His offense is more fluid and he could run circles around Bonner on defense. Oh, and he's 5 years younger.
Also add in that Bonner fills a position of stated need as opposed to Ariza, who's third on the depth chart at small-forward. Even though Ariza is a better player, he's not worth them missing out on a player they covet and a player they could use that maintains their salary-cap flexibility.
There in lies the entire explanation of why Ariza has such a depressed value in general. It's not just the Spurs who would be wary of giving up anything of value for Ariza; it's the entire NBA. He's still young, but the fact that his deal expires means he's only a short-term solution. However, as I said before, his salary is so big, that extra years on his deal would have made him even less attractive. That is unless the team had a need at starting-three spot. Then having Ariza's Bird rights would make giving up the pick worth it. The sad thing is, no contender outside of Memphis sees the starting three as something they need to upgrade from. Seriously, think about it. He has very few suitors willing to pay a pick for him.And the Spurs aren't going to be interested in giving up first round draft picks for a glorified role player who might only be here for the year and with rebuilding right around the corner. That's just counterproductive. Washington is interested in a Spur and you want the Spurs to give up draft picks? Sounds a bit ass-backwards to me.
The Spurs are a team with a lot of talent in the pipeline and who would seem willing to give up a pick if absolutely necessary if they thought was going to help them win a le this season. If they decide to do that, then they'll be able to beat any other offer out there. I hope they don't, though, as I view giving up more than Blair, Bonner and maybe a second or rights to an overseas player to be impractical and unnecessary.
Bonner and Blair for Ariza. Do it. Pendergraph/Baynes and small ball with Leonard/Ariza/Thomas playing some 4 is plenty to fill Bonner and Blairs departure.
Any chance Washington wants Neal as well?
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Doubt it. They have a good number of guards now. Neal could still be useful by netting the Spurs an asset they can redirect to Washington. The Wizards could still use a backup point-guard, though...
I think they are pretty happy with Maynor. But could use Mills for the 3rd PG, cause Wall can get injured at anytime.
They can pick a spot on the bench then roll to the locker room without playing time.
Well Blair's okay and worthy of 5-10 minutes a game. Nando? I would prefer to see get 0 minutes outside of garbage time.
You're putting way too much stock in Blair and the other Spurs mentionables. Here I thought you'd see a subtle difference between having the assests and HAVING the assets teams want. Let me make myself clear,
Blair is an end of the bench rotational player who has serious flaws on both the offensive and defensive end. He's undersized at his position and his only major contributions and worthiness come from rebounding the basketball, mostly in garbage time mind you, and that in itself isn't enough to partner up a first rounder and other useless spare parts. If you watched how the Spurs have operated over the years, you would have an understanding of how the Spurs do business.
First of all, amidst all this hoopla, Ariza isn't on the block. Secondly, Ariza, regardless of your wandering assumptions didn't lose his job in Washington. Porter was projected to be a top 3 pick in the draft and he went #3. If Duncan came into the league as a center and not a power forward, that doesn't mean the Spurs weren't going to draft him because they already had Robinson occupying the position. Most draft picks need a year of development and if that's the case, keeping Ariza around would make a ton of sense so he can share and fight for the backup small forward position with Webster. And if porter isn't ready to make the jump, webster can help fill the starting role and Ariza can share backup with Porter. As an insurance policy for Webster and Porter, it probably makes more sense to keep him until closer to the deadline. All indications are that was the plan after Ariza opted in for the 2013-14 season. Bonner, on the other hand, has seen a precipitous drop in minutes and production in each of his last three seasons. Washington has a goal of making the playoffs so I'm inclined to think they actually want production in return. While I might be overselling Ariza a tad, you're really overplaying the Bonner card. If Bonner is as useful as you seem to think he is, then the Spurs wouldn't constantly be putting him on the block. Outside of Bonner, the Spurs don't really have stretch four either so out of necessity, the Spurs should keep him right??? (Diaw isn't a stretch 4. He shoots poorly from behind the arc and most of the time, he passes up the wide open shot. Defenders know this and constantly sag of him.)That doesn't seem to be the consensus from the fans and organization alike.
I don't think Ariza is the missing link to a championship. I do think he can solidify the backup SF position but that's hardly enough to put them over the top. Much more critical to the Spurs championship aspirations would have been to find a backup PG to TP. Point guard by committee didn't work last year and it's unlikely to works this year. De Crapo isn't an NBA caliber anything. Mills, Manu and Neal are traditional shooting guards asked to play out of position and CoJo is too green to be the fulltime backup to Tony. But what does interest me is the pipeline of talent. Care to name names? DT shows promise but I really don't take much stock in summer league performances. Richards still has a loooong way to go before he sniffs the sight of an NBA court and I'm not really too optimistic about his chances. I don't think De Colo has much of a future in the association and when his contract ends with the Spurs, provided he isn't traded, will find himself back from which he came. You're making more sense in this final paragraph though. Trading Bonner has been a dream of mine for four years now and I still have trouble envisioning it. However, I don't see any way the Spurs give up a first rounder in a package with Blair for Ariza, a second rounder or the rights to a player overseas, yes. I'm still interested in those names though.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 07-17-2013 at 02:43 PM.
This needs to happen already. I hope RC isn't overvaluing Blair too much in these trade talks. I know in the past he wanted a 1st in exchange (from MIA & GSW iirc), and balked at a trade when he couldn't get one. Three observations:
(1) The fact nothing has happened yet may mean the Spurs are waiting to see what happens with Neal, and assessing whether they will need to package any spare parts like Mills or Nando in a trade involving him.
(2) If the Spurs intend to sign Neal regardless, the fact that Bonner + Blair for Ariza hasn't happened yet is proof positive that Bonner is in the Spurs plans next year.
(3) Also if the Spurs intend to sign Neal regardless, the fact that Blair + Mills + Nando for Ariza hasn't happened yet suggest the Spurs aren't ready to give up on Nando.
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