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    This is boring. You keep moving the goalposts.

    First it is 'where did she say it.' Then its the 'who cares that she ignored the instruction.' Now it's 'what did she really say.' Do you know what sophistry is?

    I will give you some keywords when you listen again: 'disregard' and 'truthful.' It's a similar exercise they teach in middle school english. Good luck!
    You never have qualified your inital ascertion. Move the goalposts? You're fabricating. Tell us where in the 1st part of the You Tube you posted that the judge tells the jury "to disregard".... just exactly what she is specifying. Chances you just took a snippet out and tried to fabricate it to the AC interview? Hovering around 100%.
    Put up or shut up.

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    You never have qualified your inital ascertion. Move the goalposts? You're fabricating. Tell us where in the 1st part of the You Tube you posted that the judge tells the jury "to disregard".... just exactly what she is specifying. Chances you just took a snippet out and tried to fabricate it to the AC interview? Hovering around 100%.
    Put up or shut up.
    qualify it

    It's not my fault that you have a difficult time understanding the English language. Cooper referenced it she said what she said and the judge plain as day said to disregard it.

    I'm not responding to this stupidity anymore. It's obvious you have made up your mind and will change your tactic over and again. If I don't respond to you it's because I'm tired of repeating myself.

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    Fine, let's go with what we know.

    We know Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and broke his nose and then got on top of him and beat him up some more which lead to him apparently fearing for his life which lead to him shooting Trayvon dead. Not much to argue about there as YOU can not say Zimmerman didn't fear for his life. That is simply impossible as you were not there and you are not him.
    It did not happen the way Zimmerman said it did for the same reasons I have been saying for the past week that you have ignored.

    We discussed the self defense standards yesterday I am not repeating myself again. This is boring and I am moving on.

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    It did not happen the way Zimmerman said it did for the same reasons I have been saying for the past week that you have ignored.

    We discussed the self defense standards yesterday I am not repeating myself again. This is boring and I am moving on.
    So now he didn't get punched and wasn't on bottom?
    You're right this is boring. You're obviously trolling now.

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    Fine, let's go with what we know.

    We know Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and broke his nose and then got on top of him and beat him up some more which lead to him apparently fearing for his life which lead to him shooting Trayvon dead. Not much to argue about there as YOU can not say Zimmerman didn't fear for his life. That is simply impossible as you were not there and you are not him.
    I will admit that I did not follow the trial very closely, but I always felt it odd that 140lb boy intimidated & better yet struck fear in a 240lb man with a gun. Again, I didn't follow it closely but didn't the boy initially run away & Zimmerman followed?

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    If a juror willfully ignores the judges instructions, I'm pretty sure that's at least a factor in an appeal/mistrial scenario, no?
    As Zimmerman was found not guilty, no. Double jeopardy.

    It's not all that unusual. A judge can instruct a jury on a variety of things, like striking testimony that has been properly objected to, but they can't un-hear what they've heard.

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    It did not happen the way Zimmerman said it did for the same reasons I have been saying for the past week that you have ignored.

    We discussed the self defense standards yesterday I am not repeating myself again. This is boring and I am moving on.
    On second thought, you make no sense at all. I'm not discussing this according to Zimmerman's account. I'm going off what the ONLY eye witness saw. Are you saying the eye witness was lying?

    Your emotional attached to this case has you delusional. You aren't even countering my arguments anymore. You've created a case against Zimmerman based purely on speculation. You aren't as bright as I thought you were, and it seems there is an underlying issue. Let me guess and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm guessing you hate guns and are afraid of them. That has to be it. Has to be. Nothing else could blind someone like this. Am I wrong?

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    On second thought, you make no sense at all. I'm not discussing this according to Zimmerman's account. I'm going off what the ONLY eye witness saw. Are you saying the eye witness was lying?

    Your emotional attached to this case has you delusional. You aren't even countering my arguments anymore. You've created a case against Zimmerman based purely on speculation. You aren't as bright as I thought you were, and it seems there is an underlying issue. Let me guess and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm guessing you hate guns and are afraid of them. That has to be it. Has to be. Nothing else could blind someone like this. Am I wrong?
    Emotional attachment

    I leave for several hours to eat and whatnot and come back to see you post and then come back and post again a few hour later complaining about me not answering you.

    About the only emotion I feel is disdain for your failure at reading comprehension and logic.

    Which witness are you talking about? The one that said that Zimmerman was on top? The one that said that Martin was trying to get away from Zimmerman? The one that said they saw two people chasing each other around outside?

    Let me guess you are going back to MMA witness.

    First of all: what does confirmation bias mean?

    Second: the ME said that his two small lacerations to the back of his head, the swollen nose that receded by the time he got to the station and the two small cuts on the front of his were not consistent with repeated blows to the head. Notice that I am repeating myself. You cannot seem to come top grips with this and just regurgitate your same . Nor is this speculation. Those were his wounds and that is what the ME said.

    The position of his body relative to the sidewalk is not speculation. The perforation of Martin's lungs is not speculation. Zimmerman's accounts are not speculation. The witness testimony is not speculation.

    Speculation goes something along the lines of: I think that Zimmerman chased Martin, caught up to him and confronted him demanding to know what he was doing there, tried to detain him when Martin wouldn't comply at which point Martin hit him knocking him down. Zimmerman got back up and they started chasing one another until Martin again got the upper hand at which point Zimmerman shot Martin.

    I don't say any of that . I talk about the evidence and how the evidence doe snot match up with this repeated blows to the head nonsense. It doesn't.

    I don't say that he is lying. Zimmerman has lied in the past regarding his bail I don't put it past him to lie duing his statements though he may just have a erroneous recollection.

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    The ME got destroyed on the stand by the defense, why should I find her credible? Why do you discredit the lead detective and find him not credible? Why is the only eye witness not credible? Do you trust Jeantel? She's lied.

    You were not there. There is one eye witness account of the two of them right before the shooting, I do not see any reason for him to lie. He said Zimmerman was on bottom in a struggle (notice I didn't say getting beaten up). This is all we pretty much have to go on. Having said that, who in the are you to say Zimmerman wasn't fearing for his life? Go take a long snack break, I won't be waiting here for your reply. It is obvious to me you feel you were at the scene and now have the power to read Zimmerman's mind.

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    The ME got destroyed on the stand by the defense, why should I find her credible? Why do you discredit the lead detective and find him not credible? Why is the only eye witness not credible? Do you trust Jeantel? She's lied.

    You were not there. There is one eye witness account of the two of them right before the shooting, I do not see any reason for him to lie. He said Zimmerman was on bottom in a struggle (notice I didn't say getting beaten up). This is all we pretty much have to go on. Having said that, who in the are you to say Zimmerman wasn't fearing for his life? Go take a long snack break, I won't be waiting here for your reply. It is obvious to me you feel you were at the scene and now have the power to read Zimmerman's mind.
    Nice emotional appeal with the destroyed comment. We get that you want to believe the defense. It lacks analysis, logic or really even any attempt at a real argument but so be it. Small lacerations and a swollen nose are not consistent with an MMA style beating. Do we need to look at some MMA footage to see what the guy was trying to say?

    I don't care one way or another about Sorino. I take issue with the juror ignoring the judge's order to disregard the comment. Try and keep up.

    There was more than one account of people that saw them before the shooting. The one that looked out the window and saw them chasing each other and the MILF that saw Zimmerman on top. Try again.

    I don't try and read Zimmerman's mind. I listen to his testimony, look at the knonw physical evidence and compare them. They are mutually exclusive.

    You are definitely a product of the CA school system and I am done with you. You are repeating the same drivel over and again at which I have to reiterate my responses. Anyone else reading this should have a good notion of what I am saying and that is good enough for me.

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    Speaking of regurgitating, it's all you seem to do. Yes I understand your views, I just don't see them relevant to the question I continually ask. Could George Zimmerman have feared for his life when Trayvon was on top of him, yes or no? Stop beating around the bush I'm tired of it. Yes or no?

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    If you want to think that being scared is all that is required for a self defense acquittal then you are wrong. Go look it up. There are issues of reason and proportionality that have to be considered and if one thing is clear, Zimmerman's use of force far exceeded Martin's. His life was not in danger and he did not need to kill the teenager. I find that unreasonable.
    Where did I specify that all Zimmerman needed was to be scared, guy that likes to point out other people's logical fallacies but ignores it when he does it?

    You've proved in this this thread--and i forewarn anybody else that wants to exchange with you--that your reasoning is based on distorions of other people's words and selection bias. To put it simply, you are intellectually dishonest. Why on earth would I want to address and waste my time on your other points knowing this? You cry "answer all my points" but you don't deserve it. Not after your argumentive gimmickry. Your (misplaced) arrogance (which you even admitted btw) is behind your en lement. Prove to me that your an intellectually honest man, and then I will address your points. But until then, I'll let other people take out your e-trash.

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