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    Obamacare is better than what we had, but its still not good enough. Single payer FTW.

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    I've never seen a healthy teamster tbh.

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    the medical resources in this society is a constant, and if you want to make it available to more people, it has to be done at the expense of quality. You can't conjure more hospitals and doctors out of nothing. With Obamacare getting its way, you'll have to spend quite some time waiting in the line for your "affordable" medical service and when it finally comes your turn, you'll have already died, and the waiting line will turn out to be a queue of death.

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    Boutons did really well here! Lol

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    the medical resources in this society is a constant, and if you want to make it available to more people, it has to be done at the expense of quality. You can't conjure more hospitals and doctors out of nothing. With Obamacare getting its way, you'll have to spend quite some time waiting in the line for your "affordable" medical service and when it finally comes your turn, you'll have already died, and the waiting line will turn out to be a queue of death.
    Because we all know people are dropping like flies waiting for health care in Canada and all of Western Europe...

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    "the medical resources in this society is a constant"

    it's not a natural constant, it's a wealth-extractive strategy.

    the medical education industry restricts the number of medical students to hold supply down, doctor incomes up.

    One part of Obamacare is to get medical schools to produce more (primary care) doctors, esp for underserved areas.




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    lol boutons

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    I've never seen a healthy teamster tbh.
    Now THAT'S funny.

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    I've never seen a healthy teamster tbh.
    most bubbas make Larry The Cable Guy look lean and mean

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    most bubbas make Larry The Cable Guy look lean and mean

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    Because we all know people are dropping like flies waiting for health care in Canada and all of Western Europe...
    Canadians come to the US for major operations.

    Britain's healthcare system is extremely ed up.

    TBH no system is perfect. The US system is just the result of endless pandering to insurance lobbyists.

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    Canadians come to the US for major operations.
    This is no different than affluent americans going to europe or some other countries to get certain treatments. It happens, but it's hardly the norm.

    Per Gallup, Canadians are largely more satisfied with their system, than Americans are satisfied with the US system:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/heal...in-canada.aspx

    Britain's healthcare system is extremely ed up.
    Yet, the sole mention of any reform on the NHS gets the brits up in arms. It might be ed up in certain areas, but don't you dare touching it.

    TBH no system is perfect. The US system is just the result of endless pandering to insurance lobbyists.
    Agreed. I'm not a fan of ACA because it doesn't address the main problem: cost. The only aspect I like of it is that it rattled the nest. Hopefully this is a step that takes us to single-payor. I was definitely not a fan either of the system the ACA is replacing.

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    Canadians come to the US for major operations.

    Britain's healthcare system is extremely ed up.

    TBH no system is perfect. The US system is just the result of endless pandering to insurance lobbyists.
    Some Canadians do, but not most. Not totally sure, but I'm willing to bet Britain's health care system ranks ahead of ours. I doubt you'll find many people in Canada or the UK who would want to switch to our system. Single payer is a difficult system to maintain. If our ty system was better you'd see Western countries all dumping their universal health care for it.

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