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    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...artner=ya5nbcs

    “Everybody will probably hate me for saying this down there in Miami, but the bottom line of it is nobody made a big deal about the fact Ray Allen traveled on the shot he made to tie the game,” Barry said. “Ray did it so quickly, but he traveled. He had a pivot foot and he stepped back behind the line and he brought the foot that was his pivot foot back and took the shot, well I’m sorry but you can’t do that without dribbling the basketball.
    “But anyway the San Antonio Spurs gave them every opportunity and they responded, talking about the Heat, and they were able to come away with the championship so credit to them for that.”

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    Its done. Over.

    Move on

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    Yes, most of us remember this, as well as Kawhi only making one of two free throws that would have iced game 6, but there are some on here that want to only cast blame on Pop and Manu as being the sole reasons the Spurs lost. Some people on here only see what they want to see regardless of the facts.

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    Yes, but it happened way too fast for them to catch. Happens all the time in the NBA. The Spurs had so many chances and blew them all. The end.

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    ........ Im still not over it

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    who cares. could make that same argument on the Duncan 3 pointer against the Suns

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    he didn't traveled!

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    Yes, most of us remember this, as well as Kawhi only making one of two free throws that would have iced game 6, but there are some on here that want to only cast blame on Pop and Manu as being the sole reasons the Spurs lost. Some people on here only see what they want to see regardless of the facts.
    But u can't honestly uphold a then 21 yr old, in his 2nd yr, with the responsibility of a loss of a championship, because he missed 1 free throw. Sure it's a team game, but he wasn't the a part of the collective that lost us that game and others should be held more accountable then others.

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    ........ Im still not over it
    No . "Get over it". wtf?


    just glad I'm not a Bills fan cause I'm sure I'd be a chronic depressive

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    I'm pretty bad about conspiracy theories but I really don't think this game was fixed at all. Stern knew how hated the cHeat were at the time, how most of the country wanted the Spurs to win. 2012 WCF definetly seemed shady, but this time we had our chance, just too many mistakes, especially from Pop and Manu.

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    Yes, most of us remember this, as well as Kawhi only making one of two free throws that would have iced game 6, but there are some on here that want to only cast blame on Pop and Manu as being the sole reasons the Spurs lost. Some people on here only see what they want to see regardless of the facts.
    Are you freaking serious?. Want to know some real facts?
    Danny Green shot the lights out for the first 5 games. He defended Lebron and on the fast break pretty well. He did what was expected of him and was a major reason why we were up 3-2 in the series.

    What did Manu do? He turned the ball over 8x in Game 6.
    Kawhi Leonard did a good job defending Lebron the whole series. He consolidated himself in the finals by replacing Manu as the part of the Big 3. He missed a free throw because he's young. He gets a pass.

    What did Manu do? He missed a free throw despite being a good career FT shooter and being one of our most experienced guys.
    Tim Duncan had monster numbers for Games 6&7 so him and Kawhi basically carried the team. Tim wasn't even supposed to play a Game 7 had it not been for Pop and Manu's choke jobs in Game 6.

    What did Manu do? He turned the ball over 8 x, he missed a free throw, and committed a huge turnover in the 4th quarter of Game 7.
    Tony Parker hit that huge three pointer while being guarded Lebron in the final minutes of Game 6. Without his three point shot, we wouldn't even be up by 5 points with 28 seconds to go. What did Manu do? He got in Kawhi's way of getting a rebound, 8 turnovers, and missed a huge free throw with being a veteran player.
    Superstars win you games on the road. Role players tend to choke on the road. Tim Duncan, TP, and Kawhi made their contributions on the road for the most part, especially on Games 6&7. See above.

    What did Manu do? He was pathetic throughout the NBA finals. He the bed.

    Stop spreading the blame and using the "we win as a team, we lose as a team" bull because that' doesn't apply in Game 6. Stop being a Popsucker or Manu and accept the fact that Pop and Manu cost Timmy his 5th championship. See above.
    You can spread the blame all you want but the fact is that Pop and Manu shat the bed. They pulled the biggest choke job in NBA history. The post/comment right above me supports my evidence.
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    Yes, most of us remember this, as well as Kawhi only making one of two free throws that would have iced game 6, but there are some on here that want to only cast blame on Pop and Manu as being the sole reasons the Spurs lost. Some people on here only see what they want to see regardless of the facts.
    Kawhi missing one free throw is also a mistake by Pop, Kawhi shouldn't be on the floor at that situation to begin with? why "Clutch Neal" is not in the game at that moment? you need to put your best free throw shooters and Kawhi wasn't one of them, another exemple for Pop choke in the last 28 with the top being not to foul in that last possession when you up by 3!

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    Yes, most of us remember this, as well as Kawhi only making one of two free throws that would have iced game 6, but there are some on here that want to only cast blame on Pop and Manu as being the sole reasons the Spurs lost. Some people on here only see what they want to see regardless of the facts.
    Stop. Seriously. Don't even bring Kawhi into that conversation.

    Manu was bad absolutely abysmal for the entire series except for game 5. Kawhi showed up in every game, played great defense against the best player in the world, and hustled on the boards for the whole series. You can't be serious in comparing a player whose only mistake was one missed free throw (he's a 66% free throw shooter anyhow — there was a 1/3 chance that he'd miss) to a player who was an awful, turnover-prone mess for 90% of the series.

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    Anybody that can even, realistically, use Kawhi's name in vein or even remotely imply he was of any fault for us losing the Finals should go play in traffic.

    Are you kidding me? Without Kawhi we lose 4-1, maybe 4-2. He missed the same ing free throw that Manu, Splitter, Tony all missed too....didn't he? Kawhi played INFINITELY better than all these people throughout the Finals.

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    Yes, most of us remember this, as well as Kawhi only making one of two free throws that would have iced game 6, but there are some on here that want to only cast blame on Pop and Manu as being the sole reasons the Spurs lost. Some people on here only see what they want to see regardless of the facts.
    But u can't honestly uphold a then 21 yr old, in his 2nd yr, with the responsibility of a loss of a championship, because he missed 1 free throw. Sure it's a team game, but he wasn't the a part of the collective that lost us that game and others should be held more accountable then others.
    I'm pretty bad about conspiracy theories but I really don't think this game was fixed at all. Stern knew how hated the cHeat were at the time, how most of the country wanted the Spurs to win. 2012 WCF definetly seemed shady, but this time we had our chance, just too many mistakes, especially from Pop and Manu.
    Kawhi missing one free throw is also a mistake by Pop, Kawhi shouldn't be on the floor at that situation to begin with? why "Clutch Neal" is not in the game at that moment? you need to put your best free throw shooters and Kawhi wasn't one of them, another exemple for Pop choke in the last 28 with the top being not to foul in that last possession when you up by 3!
    Stop. Seriously. Don't even bring Kawhi into that conversation.

    Manu was bad absolutely abysmal for the entire series except for game 5. Kawhi showed up in every game, played great defense against the best player in the world, and hustled on the boards for the whole series. You can't be serious in comparing a player whose only mistake was one missed free throw (he's a 66% free throw shooter anyhow — there was a 1/3 chance that he'd miss) to a player who was an awful, turnover-prone mess for 90% of the series.
    Anybody that can even, realistically, use Kawhi's name in vein or even remotely imply he was of any fault for us losing the Finals should go play in traffic.

    Are you kidding me? Without Kawhi we lose 4-1, maybe 4-2. He missed the same ing free throw that Manu, Splitter, Tony all missed too....didn't he? Kawhi played INFINITELY better than all these people throughout the Finals.
    Good luck trying to convince this person because xmas1997 has openly admitted that he's proud of being a Spurs homer.
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    Truth

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    Kawhi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    This kid is the future, I'm more excited to see his "new role" on this team than anything else this upcoming season.

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    Anybody that can even, realistically, use Kawhi's name in vein or even remotely imply he was of any fault for us losing the Finals should go play in traffic.

    Are you kidding me? Without Kawhi we lose 4-1, maybe 4-2. He missed the same ing free throw that Manu, Splitter, Tony all missed too....didn't he? Kawhi played INFINITELY better than all these people throughout the Finals.
    100% ACCURATE!!!!!!!!!!

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    Are you freaking serious?. Want to know some real facts? You can spread the blame all you want but the fact is that Pop and Manu shat the bed. They pulled the biggest choke job in NBA history. The post/comment right above me supports my evidence.
    Get over it and get a life. We all saw the games and know that Manu choked big time already, especially since he was one of the Spurs big three. Nobody disputes that, but most of us are tired of your constant reminder of it! Do you get it now? Move on because it is becoming ancient history already!
    I mean nine out of ten of your posts BELABOR the issue to death! We know, we all saw it. So what else is new?

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    The spurs travel all the time and rarely, if ever get called for it. Next..

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    LOL @ the move on argument. Laker fans did the same during 2008 as well....the reality is you cant move on from it as a fan. It just becomes part of the history and you seek revenge via an NBA championship. Spurs still have a legit shot next year

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    Are you freaking serious?. Want to know some real facts? You can spread the blame all you want but the fact is that Pop and Manu shat the bed. They pulled the biggest choke job in NBA history. The post/comment right above me supports my evidence.
    You are using yourself as a source to support your argument?

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    You can go and nitpick every blown call throughout the series and it would make no difference to do so now. I'm sure there's plenty on both sides. Get over it, its pathetic now.

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    Good luck trying to convince this person because xmas1997 has openly admitted that he's proud of being a Spurs homer.
    Oh geeez, just get over it already! Yes, it hurt. Yes, Manu choked, and so did Pop! That's not my point, because we all saw the same games you did. My point was not to cast anymore blame, on Kawhi (for those of you too dense to understand my post), or any other Spur for that matter, because the whole team made mistakes. In case you didn't know, basketball is a team sport. My point was that most of us imho are tired of you BELABORING the Manu and Pop thing to death. We get it, but we get tired of hearing about it in 9 out of 10 of your posts because there is absolutely nothing you, or I, or any other fan can do about it. What's done is done! It is history!

    What can you do about it? Last I heard you are not the Spurs FO, thank God!

    It is history now! And if you want Spurs choke jobs, nothing compares to the pain of the Washington Bullets series because it was Ices' (and Capt.Lates' if I'm not mistaken) last chance for a le! And there were other times as well, so get over it, because it won't be the last painful thing we endure connected to the Spurs, and definitely wasn't the first. THAT was also my point. Do you understand now? I hope you do, and no offense meant by any of this, just the facts, mame.

    And what is wrong with being a die hard Spurs fan! I would sincerely like to know.
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    I seriously don't understand why Kawhi's missed FT gets mentioned. Yeah, he did miss a FT but they'd have never been in the position to win without his contributions. He was pretty consistent all series long, and that alone should give him a pass for that miss. Manu otoh was terrible all series long, save for that game5 performance. If he had hit both his FTs, they'd have won.

    I'm not saying it was all Manu's fault. I'm just saying that it's pretty unfair for Kawhi to get any blame given all his contributions.

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