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    Was watching summer league, when One of the guys doing the broadcast said Wall wanted a stretch 4 to open lanes up for him. If any One else heard this pls confirm. But it might just be not enough for bonner If what we all suspect is true. Pop loves bonner.

    Also Thomas play might just be shaking things up. I expect us to sign him to a deal If he responds with a big game. Him and oden are the x factors to whether our off season is done or not. If one or the other are signed than a trade would seemingly be forthcoming.
    Jason Collins is a big. Therefore, any team looking for a big should be all over Jason Collins, right???? Washington would like a stretch four, but like any other team in search for a S-4, They probably don't see Bonner as the answer.

    Its really unfortunate about R.C. though. It's a shame he came into the offseason unprepared. He took a chance on two players that he knew nothing about. Pendergragh wasn't even good enough to crack Indiana's top four bigs but, upon an assistant's advice, he signed him. This is the type of move lottery teams make, not one's with championship aspirations. Pendergragh should fill Blair's shoes nicely stockpiling his garbage time minute resume. Belinelli wasn't even offered a contract by the offensively challenged Chicago Bulls, yet, the Bulls thought he was a winner so R.C signed him.

    Most teams focus on strengthening team weaknesses in the offseason, but not good old R.C. They have one true point guard and SF, and unless they sign Oden or make an unforeseen trade , they'll still be one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.

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    here you go PlayBlair

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    Jason Collins is a big. Therefore, any team looking for a big should be all over Jason Collins, right???? Washington would like a stretch four, but like any other team in search for a S-4, They probably don't see Bonner as the answer.

    Its really unfortunate about R.C. though. It's a shame he came into the offseason unprepared. He took a chance on two players that he knew nothing about. Pendergragh wasn't even good enough to crack Indiana's top four bigs but, upon an assistant's advice, he signed him. This is the type of move lottery teams make, not one's with championship aspirations. Pendergragh should fill Blair's shoes nicely stockpiling his garbage time minute resume. Belinelli wasn't even offered a contract by the offensively challenged Chicago Bulls, yet, the Bulls thought he was a winner so R.C signed him.

    Most teams focus on strengthening team weaknesses in the offseason, but not good old R.C. They have one true point guard and SF, and unless they sign Oden or make an unforeseen trade , they'll still be one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.
    There are many ways to build a team. The Spurs are at the stage where they can't prop up their team with ready-made older players. They need talented youth to provide depth and to learn the system. What has been the Spurs' most-important free-agent acquisition of the past seven years? Danny Green. Besides that, it's just been drafting well and letting Diaw fall into their laps.

    So I like the Pendergraph signing, because Boylen thinks he can be a good piece in a similar way that Ferry thought Green could be. He's a good rebounder who has the range to play the four. He's a good addition to a team that needed a competent big to challenge Bonner.

    I don't get the Belinelli signing, especially if they bring Neal back. I don't think he's a bad player, but the team didn't need so many guards. But unlike with point-guards, the log-jam at the two shouldn't hurt that much. Plus it gives the team a trade piece later on. The team has a lot of assets, with expiring contracts, young players and picks. They can certainly make a pretty big move if they need to.

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    Can he just sign with the Wizards outright?
    Absolutely - but it can only be for a vet minimum deal and they are dangerously close to the tax threshold as it is. Blair is looking for more than a minimum deal and apparently the Wizards are willing to give it to him, but the only way they can do this is via sign and trade and it is yet to be seen if San Antonio wants anything that the Wizards may be offering in a S/T.

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    Well Wizards and Spurs finished up their Summer League games today, wouldn't surprise me if teams are still interested, a deal will happen within next 24 hours. I had a theory some transactions/trade discussions were stalled till the end of SL, so teams could evaluate their young talent.

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    There are many ways to build a team. The Spurs are at the stage where they can't prop up their team with ready-made older players. They need talented youth to provide depth and to learn the system. What has been the Spurs' most-important free-agent acquisition of the past seven years? Danny Green. Besides that, it's just been drafting well and letting Diaw fall into their laps.

    So I like the Pendergraph signing, because Boylen thinks he can be a good piece in a similar way that Ferry thought Green could be. He's a good rebounder who has the range to play the four. He's a good addition to a team that needed a competent big to challenge Bonner.

    I don't get the Belinelli signing, especially if they bring Neal back. I don't think he's a bad player, but the team didn't need so many guards. But unlike with point-guards, the log-jam at the two shouldn't hurt that much. Plus it gives the team a trade piece later on. The team has a lot of assets, with expiring contracts, young players and picks. They can certainly make a pretty big move if they need to.
    I agree that youth should be a priority but this isn't the time for trial and error. The clock is ticking and the time is now. Sometimes you need the right mixture of youth and experience to put yourself in contention. Right now, I see a lot of youth and not enough experience. This was the year where the Spurs finally had cap space to improve the overall quality of the team and shore up some weaknesses. That didn't happen. They grossly overpaid a declining Manu, resigned the little big man Tiago, and signed a couple of replacements for Neal and Blair.

    Pendergragh might turn out to be something someday, but he has yet to prove someday will be during this upcoming season. And it should be realized that the majority of his production came in garbage time against 3rd stringers. You don't use part of the MLE on guy like this. That's just plain stupidity.

    How can you limit Tony's minutes when you have a backup who's green behind the ears? How can you limit Duncan's minutes ( a priority) when you haven't got a solid big behind him that can consistently fill that role. When he takes a seat on the bench, the interior defense takes a huge hit. The Spurs do have replacement bigs, but the majority of them are inexperienced or just not that good and leads evaporate quick.


    I also don't see the Spurs resigning Neal if they have any hopes of landing Oden unless they make a trade. Given R.C's track record, that's unlikely.

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    I agree that youth should be a priority but this isn't the time for trial and error. The clock is ticking and the time is now. Sometimes you need the right mixture of youth and experience to put yourself in contention. Right now, I see a lot of youth and not enough experience. This was the year where the Spurs finally had cap space to improve the overall quality of the team and shore up some weaknesses. That didn't happen. They grossly overpaid a declining Manu, resigned the little big man Tiago, and signed a couple of replacements for Neal and Blair.

    Pendergragh might turn out to be something someday, but he has yet to prove someday will be during this upcoming season. And it should be realized that the majority of his production came in garbage time against 3rd stringers. You don't use part of the MLE on guy like this. That's just plain stupidity.

    How can you limit Tony's minutes when you have a backup who's green behind the ears? How can you limit Duncan's minutes ( a priority) when you haven't got a solid big behind him that can consistently fill that role. When he takes a seat on the bench, the interior defense takes a huge hit. The Spurs do have replacement bigs, but the majority of them are inexperienced or just not that good and leads evaporate quick.


    I also don't see the Spurs resigning Neal if they have any hopes of landing Oden unless they make a trade. Given R.C's track record, that's unlikely.
    The Spurs don't want Oden. That's just a rumor. They would not have signed Pendergraph if they wanted him.

    Also, the Spurs can afford trial and error right now. They're bringing back the same team that almost won the le. They're just using their spots for younger players with upside, which seems like a great idea to me. If those guys contribute, great. But if they don't, the Spurs will be the same team but with a better Leonard, Green and Splitter. The Big Three will be older, but I think the top-eight will be better.
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    Can he just sign with the Wizards outright?
    If he did it would be for the minimum ($988,000). They are near the luxury tax after acquiring Nene, Okafor, and Ariza last season. He is worth ,imo, 3 years $10-12 million. It wouldn't make sense for him to do that deal.

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    will this reach 20 pages?
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    FO is ing retarted to not try and land Ariza for a Bonner Blair combo..Guess they think Bonner is too great of a Player to let go?..
    BONNER will never be let go for some damn reason? I don't get it.
    The Spurs don't Oden. That's just a rumor. They would not have signed Pendergraph if they wanted him.

    Also, the Spurs can afford trial and error right now. They're bringing back the same team that almost won the le. They're just using their spots for younger players with upside, which seems like a great idea to me. If those guys contribute, great. But if they don't, the Spurs will be the same team but with a better Leonard, Green and Splitter. The Big Three will be older, but I think the top-eight will be better.
    I agree with almost everything you said there. Belli should be an upgrade as well! Pendergraph should get more PT and contribute more than Blair did last year, so yes they are better sides the BIG three regressing some. I would have to put Leonard in the big three if he keeps improving, he was impressive in the playoffs.

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    FO is ing retarted to not try and land Ariza for a Bonner Blair combo..Guess they think Bonner is too great of a Player to let go?..
    does this mean the FO got re-sweeted? or are they dumb as in re ed?

    I'm so confused?

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    Just for fun my offseason moves...

    Trade Nando and Cory to the Jazz for Mo Williams
    Trade Bonner and Blair to the Wizards for Ariza
    Sign GreG Oden

    Parker/ Williams/ Mills
    Green/ Ginobili/ Belineli
    Leonard/ Ariza
    Duncan/ Diaw/ Pendergraph
    Splitter/ Baynes/ Oden

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    If he did it would be for the minimum ($988,000). They are near the luxury tax after acquiring Nene, Okafor, and Ariza last season. He is worth ,imo, 3 years $10-12 million. It wouldn't make sense for him to do that deal.
    Based on what production? He probably nets a deal similar to Pendergraph's.

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    Just for fun my offseason moves...

    Trade Nando and Cory to the Jazz for Mo Williams
    Trade Bonner and Blair to the Wizards for Ariza
    Sign GreG Oden

    Parker/ Williams/ Mills
    Green/ Ginobili/ Belineli
    Leonard/ Ariza
    Duncan/ Diaw/ Pendergraph
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    Why is everyone so hot-to-trot on signing Greg Oden? The dude looks done. But even if he started playing at an elite level it would only last 45 minutes before he was injured for the rest of the season. He was drafted in 2008. Since then he has played a total of 82 regular season games and 6 playoff games. That's 1/5 of the available regular season games. And 61 of them came in his rookie year and the other 21 in his sop re year. He hasn't played an NBA game in 3 years because hes been that hurt.

    And you want to pay this guy millions of dollars? To do what? Go to doctor's appointments?

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    Just for fun my offseason moves...

    Trade Nando and Cory to the Jazz for Mo Williams
    Trade Bonner and Blair to the Wizards for Ariza
    Sign GreG Oden

    Parker/ Williams/ Mills
    Green/ Ginobili/ Belineli
    Leonard/ Ariza
    Duncan/ Diaw/ Pendergraph
    Splitter/ Baynes/ Oden
    This would be fantastic. Unfortunately, that's exactly why it won't happen. Pop would rather do things the hard way, like leaving Tim on a island to get every rebound the entire game. Unless of course, it's closeout time in the Finals and all we need is one rebound for a championship. And he takes Tim out of the game.

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    Just for fun my offseason moves...

    Trade Nando and Cory to the Jazz for Mo Williams
    Trade Bonner and Blair to the Wizards for Ariza
    Sign GreG Oden

    Parker/ Williams/ Mills
    Green/ Ginobili/ Belineli
    Leonard/ Ariza
    Duncan/ Diaw/ Pendergraph
    Splitter/ Baynes/ Oden
    Way to go, getting my hopes up and such

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    Why is everyone so hot-to-trot on signing Greg Oden? The dude looks done. But even if he started playing at an elite level it would only last 45 minutes before he was injured for the rest of the season. He was drafted in 2008. Since then he has played a total of 82 regular season games and 6 playoff games. That's 1/5 of the available regular season games. And 61 of them came in his rookie year and the other 21 in his sop re year. He hasn't played an NBA game in 3 years because hes been that hurt.

    And you want to pay this guy millions of dollars? To do what? Go to doctor's appointments?
    Who is saying millions of dollars? The signing would be for the minimum which makes Oden a low risk high reward type of acquisition.
    This would be fantastic. Unfortunately, that's exactly why it won't happen. Pop would rather do things the hard way, like leaving Tim on a island to get every rebound the entire game. Unless of course, it's closeout time in the Finals and all we need is one rebound for a championship. And he takes Tim out of the game.
    Agree. Pop and the Spurs organization love doing things the hard way.

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    Armchair GMs are awesome with 100 per cent accuracy in their hindsight.

    As for Bonner, the attraction for Pop is that he's a 4 who shoots 45% from beyond the arc and helps space the floor on the offensive end.

    Oden is intriguing given his age and talent. But he hasn't played in a NBA game in three and a half years. For the vet min, sure, if he's healthy signing him could pay off well. If he can't make it back, ever, then it was a decent wager.

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    Who is saying millions of dollars? The signing would be for the minimum which makes Oden a low risk high reward type of acquisition.
    Wow, are you for real? That's a pretty moronic response.

    A) If you're going to sign him it probably isn't a one year deal. Multiple years = millions of dollars
    B) Hes already got options from the Hornets for much more than the minimum. You think a one year minimum deal would cut it? You're deluded.
    C) It still doesn't matter since he won't hardly ever play regardless

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    Wow, are you for real? That's a pretty moronic response.

    A) If you're going to sign him it probably isn't a one year deal. Multiple years = millions of dollars
    B) Hes already got options from the Hornets for much more than the minimum. You think a one year minimum deal would cut it? You're deluded.
    C) It still doesn't matter since he won't hardly ever play regardless
    Depends on how Oden views himself imo. He has banked over $45m already. Is this a final cash grab because he sees the writing on the wall? Or is this a sincere attempt to place himself in the best possible growth environment basketball and health wise. If its the former then NO or Dal makes the most sense. If its the the latter then SA and Mia make the most sense.

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    Wow, are you for real? That's a pretty moronic response.

    A) If you're going to sign him it probably isn't a one year deal. Multiple years = millions of dollars
    B) Hes already got options from the Hornets for much more than the minimum. You think a one year minimum deal would cut it? You're deluded.
    C) It still doesn't matter since he won't hardly ever play regardless
    You have a pretty moronic mentality if you actually think that the Spurs or Heat are willing to commit on Greg Oden for over a year. Spurs are over the cap so I don't know why you're even concerned about he Spurs signing him long term and spending millions of dollars on him, same goes for the Heat. Go study the CBA rules before posting idiotic comments in here. The only delusional one here is you thinking that a team is stupid enough to commit long term.

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    Based on what production? He probably nets a deal similar to Pendergraph's.
    His career PER is 17.5 (about) his has been very efficient. Spurs fans tend to over the fact he was the #37 pick. He is worth much more than Pendegraph in terms of past production hands down. He is an fantastic P&R player and great rebounder. Someone will pay him in that area code.

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    Source: DeJuan Blair still talking to teams. He's in mini midlevel $3 million range, as for most FAs still available leaving #Knicks out.



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    You have a pretty moronic mentality if you actually think that the Spurs or Heat are willing to commit on Greg Oden for over a year. Spurs are over the cap so I don't know why you're even concerned about he Spurs signing him long term and spending millions of dollars on him, same goes for the Heat. Go study the CBA rules before posting idiotic comments in here. The only delusional one here is you thinking that a team is stupid enough to commit long term.
    So basically, what you propose is a one year minimum deal? Why would he sign that? Someone will either offer him more than the minimum or multiple years.

    You seem to forget that the Spurs aren't the only one that has to agree to the terms involved.

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    His career PER is 17.5 (about) his has been very efficient. Spurs fans tend to over the fact he was the #37 pick. He is worth much more than Pendegraph in terms of past production hands down. He is an fantastic P&R player and great rebounder. Someone will pay him in that area code.
    Hence the reason he logged such massive minutes during the playoffs and finals.

    I'm sorry, garbage time stats don't excite me. The fact is that they liked him to eat minutes during the season against inferior teams. However, when the games mattered he didn't play. If I want a player to do that I take Matt Bonner well before Dejuan Blair. Hes an assassin from 3 and can actually play passable defense on occasion. Sure, he doesn't play in the playoffs, but neither does Blair. For a garbage team that has no chance to competing (ie, the Wiz) Dejuan is a good fit. Hes the prototypical big numbers on a bad team kind of guy.

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