Manu Ginobili is the back up 3

[cd021]

Manu plays SF then he is going to be wearing a body cast and miss at least forty games.

Yeah because there's an abundance of big bruising backup SFs in the west. There isn't any good reason why he can't play SF for 12-15 mpg

[cd021]

Beli is our backup it seems at SF. He isn't going to see minutes at 2 guard with Green logging 30+ mpg and Manu playing about 18mpg. Manu won't be logging close to 24 mpg in my opinion. 18-20 minutes. Over 70 games that would trim his minutes down by 420 minutes. The equivalent to 17.5 games at the minutes (compared with the minutes played last season)

Beli is 6'5 and most backups in the NBA are off ball players who just spot up or cut. It would be fairly easy to cover. Most teams don't post their backup SFs either.

Joseph/Mills/ De Colo
Ginobili/Mills/ De Colo
Belineil/Diaw
Diaw/Bonner
Baynes/Pendergraph

is a more than solid bench

[cd021]

I don't remember Green playing much SF in the playoffs, he made some nice plays on LBJ but he was playing out if his mind that series. I do remember Green filling in for Leonard at the beginning of the season and struggling horribly at SF.

Green looks far too small to be guarding SF's, he's great at defending small guards and PG's, but lacks the strength to guard bigger guys. Wade had his way with Green because he was too big, he'd bump him and Green would go flying.

His defensive PER was actually the lower at SF. His struggles at that position was somewhat overstated.

[BackHome]

If your counting on Manu having a healthy season then your one of those folks who see the "Glass half full"..For me if they do not reduce his minutes he will miss half the season and making him play defense against SF is just putting more strain on his fragile body..

[dallasmaverickslose]

Like i envision before this off season start, Manu will play next season the majority of his time at sf, that is right now at this point of his career it's the only role he capeble to, he should be forbid to play at guard and endle the ball too much... So that is the reason Spurs aren't in hurry to bring another sf...

I'd say you're wrong.

[xmas1997]

Like i envision before this off season start, Manu will play next season the majority of his time at sf, that is right now at this point of his career it's the only role he capeble to, he should be forbid to play at guard and endle the ball too much... So that is the reason Spurs aren't in hurry to bring another sf...

I still want to see the LINK where you got your info to base your opinion on!
Otherwise it is just another rumor and started by you!

[TheGreatYacht]

If your counting on Manu having a healthy season then your one of those folks who see the "Glass half full"..For me if they do not reduce his minutes he will miss half the season and making him play defense against SF is just putting more strain on his fragile body..

Best comment on the thread thus far. Manu doesn't have the strength to defend stronger or quicker players at this point in his career. He just needs to handle the ball less and hope that CoJo develops into a legit backup PG. If CoJo can play with the mentality that he played with in the first two games of the summer league, then CoJo will have an easier time solidifying is role on the team.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

When I think of reasons we lost in the finals, backup SF wasn't one of them tbh

Yes it was.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Best comment on the thread thus far. Manu doesn't have the strength to defend stronger or quicker players at this point in his career. He just needs to handle the ball less and hope that CoJo develops into a legit backup PG. If CoJo can play with the mentality that he played with in the first two games of the summer league, then CoJo will have an easier time solidifying is role on the team.

Let's examine a few things:

Cory Joseph is a below average PG. He was at Texas and left after only 1 year behind speculation that the incoming freshman the next year would make him the backup. He really wasn't worthy of a 1st round pick (even though it was near the end) but he was probably the best PG selection when the Spurs took him.

IF, and that's a still a fairly large if, he develops into a quality backup PG, then it's a bonus. But right now, he's not progressing to be in my opinion. A quality backup PG that can be relied upon in playoff and finals situations is something along the lines of a jarret jack, randy foye, dj augustin, George hill, etc. Maybe Cojo will develop into that but he isn't really close right now.

Enter marco belinelli. A SG who, in the mold of Ginobili, is the primary decision maker for the 2nd unit. Yes, a PG is still needed on the 2nd unit, but the pick and roll, pick and pop, etc. runs through the backup decision maker. Belinelli is Manu's replacement if De Colo doesn't develop.

[spurraider21]

Let's examine a few things:

Cory Joseph is a below average PG. He was at Texas and left after only 1 year behind speculation that the incoming freshman the next year would make him the backup. He really wasn't worthy of a 1st round pick (even though it was near the end) but he was probably the best PG selection when the Spurs took him.

IF, and that's a still a fairly large if, he develops into a quality backup PG, then it's a bonus. But right now, he's not progressing to be in my opinion. A quality backup PG that can be relied upon in playoff and finals situations is something along the lines of a jarret jack, randy foye, dj augustin, George hill, etc. Maybe Cojo will develop into that but he isn't really close right now.

Enter marco belinelli. A SG who, in the mold of Ginobili, is the primary decision maker for the 2nd unit. Yes, a PG is still needed on the 2nd unit, but the pick and roll, pick and pop, etc. runs through the backup decision maker. Belinelli is Manu's replacement if De Colo doesn't develop.

i'd take CoJo over DJ Augustin right now. Randy Foye is a 2-guard and is a 3 point specialist

[Tyrone Jenkins]

i'd take CoJo over DJ Augustin right now. Randy Foye is a 2-guard and is a 3 point specialist

DeColo over Augustin? Not so sure anyone else in the league would...

Foye is a combo-guard in the mode of George Hill. Kinda like what Belinelli is...only better on defense.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

i'd take CoJo over DJ Augustin right now. Randy Foye is a 2-guard and is a 3 point specialist

DeColo over Augustin? Not so sure anyone else in the league would...

Foye is a combo-guard in the mode of George Hill. Kinda like what Belinelli is...only better on defense.

[TD 21]

I still want to see the LINK where you got your info to base your opinion on!
Otherwise it is just another rumor and started by you!

Why would a link be required, when it's obvious? For the umpteenth time, the Belinelli signing clinched Ginobili/Green playing backup SF.

You and others, who either haven't figured this out or haven't come to terms with it, must be thinking about this in terms of his role offensively or lack of minutes available (for a player of his caliber) behind Leonard, but you're going about it all wrong. In the case of the former, by default, he'll still be the de facto backup PG offensively and in the case of the latter, he'll basically split minutes with Green and Belinelli will receive the minutes behind Leonard.

[spurraider21]

DeColo over Augustin? Not so sure anyone else in the league would...

Foye is a combo-guard in the mode of George Hill. Kinda like what Belinelli is...only better on defense.

i said CoJo, not De Colo

[Tyrone Jenkins]

i said CoJo, not De Colo

Yes, you did. My bad.

But I wouldn't take Cojo of Augustin right now. Maybe in 3 years...

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Let's face it - the Spurs don't have a backup 3. They can put Diaw or Green or Ginobili or even Tony Parker there but that doesn't make them a true back up 3. They need to get one.

Mikael Pietrus makes the most sense. He's cheap, he's been a reliable perimeter defender before, he can hit the corner 3 and he's foreign.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Let's face it - the Spurs don't have a backup 3. They can put Diaw or Green or Ginobili or even Tony Parker there but that doesn't make them a true back up 3. They need to get one.

Mikael Pietrus makes the most sense. He's cheap, he's been a reliable perimeter defender before, he can hit the corner 3 and he's foreign.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Yes, you did. My bad.

But I wouldn't take Cojo of Augustin right now. Maybe in 3 years...

I'm with spurraider21 on this one. Backup PG was a bigger issue with Indiana than it was for the Spurs (which admittedly, was a big issue for us in the Finals) because of Augistin's poor play. If Indiana had one more bench player (especially a quality backup PG), we likely would have been facing them in the Finals this past season.

[kobyz]

this garbage off season!!! this time we needed to bring an high profile player, instead we made all the worng moves, we needed to add another star, another creator... Manu Ginobili, he should have sign for the minimum, he should have return with a Ray Allen type role significance, but now the team didn't strengthen and even got weaken, now for the team to lower the reliance on Manu, like they should, will be hard... on top of that Spurs use the money they do have on Marco who is semi scrub, isn't a good fit if you already bring back Manu, not halp us with what we need.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

this garbage off season!!! this time we needed to bring an high profile player, instead we made all the worng moves, we needed to add another star, another creator... Manu Ginobili, he should have sign for the minimum, he should have return with a Ray Allen type role significance, but now the team didn't strengthen and even got weaken, now for the team to lower the reliance on Manu, like they should, will be hard... on top of that Spurs use the money they do have on Marco who is semi scrub, isn't a good fit if you already bring back Manu, not halp us with what we need.

So, you blame Ginobili for taking the $ offered? You're saying he should've told the team "No, I don't want that much. Sign me up for the vet minimum...I don't want a whole lot of $. All those years of production before now - eh, just forget about that. 6th man of the year - yeah, that was nothing. I really don't deserve the vet minimum based on last season alone and let's not even discuss the 9 seasons I played before that."

I wonder how many Spurs Forum posters would go to work and tell their bosses they deserve less pay after one year of less than optimal work?

[Tyrone Jenkins]

this garbage off season!!! this time we needed to bring an high profile player, instead we made all the worng moves, we needed to add another star, another creator... Manu Ginobili, he should have sign for the minimum, he should have return with a Ray Allen type role significance, but now the team didn't strengthen and even got weaken, now for the team to lower the reliance on Manu, like they should, will be hard... on top of that Spurs use the money they do have on Marco who is semi scrub, isn't a good fit if you already bring back Manu, not halp us with what we need.

So, you blame Ginobili for taking the $ offered? You're saying he should've told the team "No, I don't want that much. Sign me up for the vet minimum...I don't want a whole lot of $. All those years of production before now - eh, just forget about that. 6th man of the year - yeah, that was nothing. I really don't deserve the vet minimum based on last season alone and let's not even discuss the 9 seasons I played before that."

I wonder how many Spurs Forum posters would go to work and tell their bosses they deserve less pay after one year of less than optimal work?

[TheGreatYacht]

So, you blame Ginobili for taking the $ offered?

Nobody knows exactly how things went behind closed doors but if you're theory were to be correct, then I blame the FO for rewarding his pathetic performance in the NBA finals.

You're saying he should've told the team "No, I don't want that much. Sign me up for the vet minimum...I don't want a whole lot of $. All those years of production before now - eh, just forget about that. 6th man of the year - yeah, that was nothing. I really don't deserve the vet minimum based on last season alone and let's not even discuss the 9 seasons I played before that."

I wonder how many Spurs Forum posters would go to work and tell their bosses they deserve less pay after one year of less than optimal work?

The with the loyalty BS, he cost Timmy his 5th ring and don't have the guts to admit it just like Pop. If the FO rather keep Manu while overpaying him then this tells me how much the FO would rather lose with Manu than win without him...smh, very clever.

If Manu had any decency, he would tell the FO "I played very bad, I almost single-handedly cost the organization a championship, I owe it to Timmy, I will take a pay cut. I'll do whatever is necessary to make sure we have the best team possible."

Of course that greedy bald guy cynically signs a $14 M contract and possibly downgrades the team should father time catch up to Timmy.

[xmas1997]

Nobody knows exactly how things went behind closed doors but if you're theory were to be correct, then I blame the FO for rewarding his pathetic performance in the NBA finals. The with the loyalty BS, he cost Timmy his 5th ring and don't have the guts to admit it just like Pop. If the FO rather keep Manu while overpaying him then this tells me how much the FO would rather lose with Manu than win without him...smh, very clever. If Manu had any decency, he would tell the FO "I played very bad, I almost single-handedly cost the organization a championship, I owe it to Timmy, I will take a pay cut. I'll do whatever is necessary to make sure we have the best team possible." Of course that greedy bald guy cynically signs a $14 M contract and possibly downgrades the team should father time catch up to Timmy.

First I am neither a Manu lover or hater, I am a Spurs fan.
What you are saying is so much BS it makes me want to puke. It was THE WHOLE TEAM that caused them to lose, I saw all the games, and I mistakenly thought you did too. They all made mistakes, even the best players do, they are human. You lose all credibility in your posts when you make such preposterous statements.
You show only how irrational you are, and then when you rebut calling people haters or lovers, you show your age and maturity level.

Second, you never answered WHY you were being called a racist! Why?
I've read most of your posts, and you don't sound racist, rather you sound irrational and immature, but that is a long way from being racist!

[TheGreatYacht]

First I am neither a Manu lover or hater, I am a Spurs fan.
What you are saying is so much BS it makes me want to puke. It was THE WHOLE TEAM that caused them to lose, I saw all the games, and I mistakenly thought you did too. They all made mistakes, even the best players do, they are human. You lose all credibility in your posts when you make such preposterous statements.

Pop being stubborn with his player rotations and managing of player minutes if the middle of a Game 6 is just as bad. Pop's insistence on leaving Manu on the floor despite how terrible he was playing makes Pop the most responsible for the biggest choke in NBA history. Maybe it wasn't Manu's fault that Pop continued to trust him but he certainly had more than enough opportunities to redeem himself which he failed to do. Manu missed the crucial FT despite being one of our most experienced FT shooter throughout his career. He turned the ball over 8 times. There is no other way to justify and try to spread the blame, it's a losing battle.

[TheGreatYacht]

First I am neither a Manu lover or hater, I am a Spurs fan.
What you are saying is so much BS it makes me want to puke. It was THE WHOLE TEAM that caused them to lose, I saw all the games, and I mistakenly thought you did too. They all made mistakes, even the best players do, they are human. You lose all credibility in your posts when you make such preposterous statements.
You show only how irrational you are, and then when you rebut calling people haters or lovers, you show your age and maturity level.

Second, you never answered WHY you were being called a racist! Why?
I've read most of your posts, and you don't sound racist, rather you sound irrational and immature, but that is a long way from being racist!

If not being a homer makes me irrational and immature, then sure, whatever helps you sleep better. The same can be said of homers, you have no idea how ridiculous blind you'll are with your homerism. I'm not racist at all. If anyone thinks I'm racist then that's just some hater of mine thinking that I will get insulted. I actually find it funny.