NBA: Chuck Barkley agrees with Zimmerman trial verdict

[Trill Clinton]

Look man..I've stated it several times..the stolen items were in his locker along with burglary tools. And his tweets were asking people where to find codeine to make a batch and a lot of people asking him where to go to buy "a plant" and other things of that nature. And it wasn't just one person. There's your proof. But like I said...he didn't deserve to die. Just don't act like he was a perfect innocent child and GZ was a horrible person, so he must be a racist murderer, and had no reason to kill Trayvon. I hope you don't believe Trayvon was shot just for walking home. If that's so, you're really not ready to have this conversation. Now....I'm done. I have nothing against you, man...just got different feelings about this case.

thats not proof of anything. tweets don't mean . i need some concrete evidence like statements from people who bought drugs from tray and victims of his burglaries. the grown man's own cousin and her parents said george molested her, sad.

at 17 i smoked weed, drank, es, sold a couple 8 balls, slapped up a few people but i grew out of that and am a successful man. i don't think me and trayvon were any different. you need to tell your friends to stop sipping lean before they catch a drug case, though. the way you talk about the drug use, i'm surprised you associate yourself with people like that.

[Koolaid_Man]

thats not proof of anything. tweets don't mean . i need some concrete evidence like statements from people who bought drugs from tray and victims of his burglaries. the grown man's own cousin and her parents said george molested her, sad.

at 17 i smoked weed, drank, es, sold a couple 8 balls, slapped up a few people but i grew out of that and am a successful man. i don't think me and trayvon were any different. you need to tell your friends to stop sipping lean before they catch a drug case, though. the way you talk about the drug use, i'm surprised you associate yourself with people like that.

they trying to create a boogie monster to soothe their conscience and yet still no proof cept heresay and innuendo...I slapped them with proof on Zimmerman being a THUG and all they got of the Trayvon is a few pictures when he was 15 and 16 and a few made up stories....that's called white guilt with no shame

[Spursfan092120]

thats not proof of anything. tweets don't mean . i need some concrete evidence like statements from people who bought drugs from tray and victims of his burglaries. the grown man's own cousin and her parents said george molested her, sad.

at 17 i smoked weed, drank, es, sold a couple 8 balls, slapped up a few people but i grew out of that and am a successful man. i don't think me and trayvon were any different. you need to tell your friends to stop sipping lean before they catch a drug case, though. the way you talk about the drug use, i'm surprised you associate yourself with people like that.

Those guys are my friends because they've always been there for me and would do anything for me. Best friends? No...but they are friends. Be honest, bro..no one's going to come out now and say Trayvon was their dealer...The stolen items were returned. If he did molest her, yes..that's sad. But like you said, irrelevant.

[Spursfan092120]

they trying to create a boogie monster to soothe their conscience and yet still no proof cept heresay and innuendo...I slapped them with proof on Zimmerman being a THUG and all they got of the Trayvon is a few pictures when he was 15 and 16 and a few made up stories....that's called white guilt with no shame

lol @ your hypotheticals being proof. Proof is the witness and Rachel saying Trayvon was beating the out of Zim. They found the stolen items and burglary tools in his locker, and returned them to the victims. All the people asking him where to meet to buy drugs, and him answering. Him asking people where to buy codeine to make a "batch." What other proof do you want?

[Koolaid_Man]

lol @ your hypotheticals being proof. Proof is the witness and Rachel saying Trayvon was beating the out of Zim. They found the stolen items and burglary tools in his locker, and returned them to the victims. All the people asking him where to meet to buy drugs, and him answering. Him asking people where to buy codeine to make a "batch." What other proof do you want?

Proof or shut your lying, Zimmerman wannbe ass up.......you wanna be like Zim? ok cool...don't forget to assault a cop, beat your wife, and molest your kid...

[spurraider21]

lol @ your hypotheticals being proof. Proof is the witness and Rachel saying Trayvon was beating the out of Zim. They found the stolen items and burglary tools in his locker, and returned them to the victims. All the people asking him where to meet to buy drugs, and him answering. Him asking people where to buy codeine to make a "batch." What other proof do you want?

wasn't that essentially what the state's case was?

[spurraider21]

Proof or shut your lying, Zimmerman wannbe ass up.......you wanna be like Zim? ok cool...don't forget to assault a cop, beat your wife, and molest your kid...

cop didn't identify himself and attacked zimmerman first, which is why both charges there were dropped. by the way i forgot, was this a domestic abuse case, a molestation case, or a self defense/ cide case? remind me so we can disragard the 2 incorrect answers

[Koolaid_Man]

cop didn't identify himself and attacked zimmerman first, which is why both charges there were dropped. by the way i forgot, was this a domestic abuse case, a molestation case, or a self defense/ cide case? remind me so we can disragard the 2 incorrect answers

you bout as good at lying as Z....thus far you've provided no proof of any of your claims...none..I provided you links to Z's court records from the Washington Post....where's the beef Spuirraider

[Spursfan092120]

Proof or shut your lying, Zimmerman wannbe ass up.......you wanna be like Zim? ok cool...don't forget to assault a cop, beat your wife, and molest your kid...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...t-trayvon.html

Love how you don't even read up on the ..just believe what the media throws at you.

and at you talking about assaulting a cop. If someone came at you and beat your ass without you knowing they were an officer and you fought back, followed by you getting arrested, you'd cry a damn river.

[spurraider21]

http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/87267817

[Rogue]

I just don't see it how a quarrel or could deteriorate into a situation where one had to die in order for the other to survive. The kid was bare-handed and the man was said to put out a gun to defend himself against a young black kid who was totally unarmed, that's just inexplicable to me

[spurraider21]

i don't understand why you find it so important to bring up zimmerman's past and then discredit Martin's past as irrelevant to the case. its either both or neither. make up your damn mind

[Koolaid_Man]

i don't understand why you find it so important to bring up zimmerman's past and then discredit Martin's past as irrelevant to the case. its either both or neither. make up your damn mind

I've provided proof as to past..you've provided conjecture...provide proof and then we can talk...

[spurraider21]

I just don't see it how a quarrel or could deteriorate into a situation where one had to die in order for the other to survive. The kid was bare-handed and the man was said to put out a gun to defend himself against a young black kid who was not at all armed, that's just inexplicable to me

are we speaking moral or legal grounds, rogue. that's what this case comes down to. the bottom line is nobody actually knows who was at fault here. but to convict GZ, you have to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ was the instigator. that obviously didn't happen, as there was no real case. everything outside the actual case/verdict is 100% pure speculation since it's all an unknown, and it would be irrational and unreasonable to come to a conclusion either way. on moral grounds, they both have a shady history, so i woulnd't be surprised either way. but on legal grounds, there is nothing there to garner a conviction

[spurraider21]

I've provided proof as to past..you've provided conjecture...provide proof and then we can talk...

what? your "proof" is that GZ was once accused of a crime. problem with that is, the charges were shortly dropped. your lame theory that "his dad got him out of it" doesn't hold water when his pappy was a retired judge in ANOTHER STATE. thus, you've only provided conjecture. even then, even IF he was guilty of that, which he wasn't as charges were dropped, it is IRRELEVANT to the trayvon martin case. if you want to include GZ's past as "proof" or evidence in this case, then the same must be done for Martin's violent past as well

[Rogue]

agree with raider, past records ain't relevent in this case. Dudes could sell drugs and their moms but those had nothing to do with this case.

[Spursfan092120]

agree with raider, past records ain't relevent in this case. Dudes could sell drugs and their moms but those had nothing to do with this case.

Exactly...

[pad300]

I just don't see it how a quarrel or could deteriorate into a situation where one had to die in order for the other to survive. The kid was bare-handed and the man was said to put out a gun to defend himself against a young black kid who was totally unarmed, that's just inexplicable to me

Really ... the "young black kid" was 6'2", a high school football player, an MMA fighter, and a guy with street fight experience. The man was a fat ass 29 year old who was in terrible shape, an did not fight... The reason Zimmerman was carrying a gun was that he knew damn well he couldn't hack it in any kind of street fight without it.

[spurraider21]

Zimmerman:


Martin:




extreme exaggeration, yes. but can we stop depicting zimmerman as the ing terminator?

[Rogue]

The current legal system is a broken one I think. Just because Zimmerman was acquitted in the court of law it doesn't mean he was really innocent (though no one has any evidence to prove otherwise either), and it ain't the first time the legal system has failed. Violence happens around the country every single minute and the Zimmerman case only drawed more eyeballs because it happened between a white man and a black. The media are trying yet again to fool you folks into buying their and squandering your time on the relentless discussions concerning racism.

It's not the first time we learned how screwed-up the Floridan law is, and I'm really worried about the safety of my LM (the real LM, not my troll)

[spurraider21]

The current legal system is a broken one I think. Just because Zimmerman was acquitted in the court of law it doesn't mean he was really innocent (though no one has any evidence to prove otherwise either), and it ain't the first time the legal system has failed. Violence happens around the country every single minute and the Zimmerman case only drawed more eyeballs because it happened between a white man and a black. The media are trying yet again to fool you folks into buying their and squandering your time on the relentless discussions concerning racism.

It's not the first time we learned how screwed-up the Floridan law is, and I'm really worried about the safety of my LM (the real LM, not my troll)

how can you on one hand say there's nothing to show that he's guilty, and then proclaim that the system failed. isn't it possible that the system got it exactly right?

[whitemamba]

how can you on one hand say there's nothing to show that he's guilty, and then proclaim that the system failed. isn't it possible that the system got it exactly right?

Do u think he was innocent tbh?

[spurraider21]

Do u think he was innocent tbh?

allow me to preface this by saying this is all purely speculation, and that my guess (yes, its a guess) is as good as anybody's.

personally, if GZ's intention was to pick a fight or to murder the kid, i don't think he would call the cops to warn them first. if he had his vigilante fake cop complex, he'd probably serve "sweet justice" by quietly sneaking up on trayvon and putting him down quietly, not with a loud gunshot in plain sight

similarly, trayvon wasn't walking home with the intention of finding the first guy he saw and picking a fight with him. i'm not going to say he had vicious intent that night, but its not out of the realm of possibility that he was su ious of GZ following him and he reacted more aggressively than the situation called for. besides, isn't there some sort of confirmed timeline that shows martin had 4 minutes to get to his destination, which was 100 yards away at the time? by the end of the struggle, he lied dead 70 yards away, meaning he moved all of 30 yards in that timespan. if the struggle had gone on THAT long, for 3-4 minutes, surely there'd have been more eyewitnesses.

now if tomorrow some crazy groundbreaking evidence came out that proved Zimmerman was the aggressor/instigator i wouldn't be THAT shocked, or offended or anything stupid like that. i have no personal ties to GZ in any way shape or form. he's white/hispanic and i'm armenian which is more middle eastern than anything. but i don't see how any of the facts of the case outside of the damn race card makes GZ look like the instigator

[Spursfan092120]

allow me to preface this by saying this is all purely speculation, and that my guess (yes, its a guess) is as good as anybody's.

personally, if GZ's intention was to pick a fight or to murder the kid, i don't think he would call the cops to warn them first. if he had his vigilante fake cop complex, he'd probably serve "sweet justice" by quietly sneaking up on trayvon and putting him down quietly, not with a loud gunshot in plain sight

similarly, trayvon wasn't walking home with the intention of finding the first guy he saw and picking a fight with him. i'm not going to say he had vicious intent that night, but its not out of the realm of possibility that he was su ious of GZ following him and he reacted more aggressively than the situation called for. besides, isn't there some sort of confirmed timeline that shows martin had 4 minutes to get to his destination, which was 100 yards away at the time? by the end of the struggle, he lied dead 70 yards away, meaning he moved all of 30 yards in that timespan. if the struggle had gone on THAT long, for 3-4 minutes, surely there'd have been more eyewitnesses.

now if tomorrow some crazy groundbreaking evidence came out that proved Zimmerman was the aggressor/instigator i wouldn't be THAT shocked, or offended or anything stupid like that. i have no personal ties to GZ in any way shape or form. he's white/hispanic and i'm armenian which is more middle eastern than anything. but i don't see how any of the facts of the case outside of the damn race card makes GZ look like the instigator

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Rogue]

The current legal system is a broken one I think. Just because Zimmerman was acquitted in the court of law it doesn't mean he was really innocent (though no one has any evidence to prove otherwise either), and it ain't the first time the legal system has failed. Violence happens around the country every single minute and the Zimmerman case only drawed more eyeballs because it happened between a white man and a black. The media are trying yet again to fool you folks into buying their and squandering your time on the relentless discussions concerning racism.

It's not the first time we learned how screwed-up the Floridan law is, and I'm really worried about the safety of my LM (the real LM, not my troll)

I don't have no evidence to prove Zimmerman guilty or otherwise, but I read a thread in the political forum yesterday that suggests how broke and re ed the floridan legislation is.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...12#post6771512