LOL Holder

[scott]

I think it is a little different standing in front of a voting booth that people have to go to to vote, compared to a private citizen not associated with any hate group carrying a weapon at a protest. I don't understand what part is manufactured. But who would have knew that msm would have found a way to spin an obama story. Never in a thousand years that CNN, MSNBC, almost every major newspaper (minus WSJ and USAToday) would spend more time fighting an attack against Obama than actually reporting on the initial story.

ZOMG HE WAS BLACK AND STANDING THERE WITH A STICK!!!!!

Scaaaaaaaary

[ElNono]

ZOMG HE WAS BLACK AND STANDING THERE WITH A STICK!!!!!

Scaaaaaaaary

clearly the protester was openly carrying to protect themselves, whereas the meanie black panther was intimidating voters

[spursncowboys]

In what way?

seriously? One is a member of a known racist organization. So wearing the known uniform ( nazi uniform, kkk sheet, black panther) could keep people from voting. Why am I wasting time explaining this to you. Clearly you are trolling if you don't see the difference from a voting booth and a protest. voting is the greatest thing of america. Therefore should be the most protected and sensitive of anything in our culture. If only you civil rights defenders weren't so wishy washy on who's civil rights your wanting defended.

[spursncowboys]

#hypocrites&trollsunite

[spursncowboys]

ZOMG HE WAS BLACK AND STANDING THERE WITH A STICK!!!!!

Scaaaaaaaary

yeah. nba forum is a few links up.

[spursncowboys]

can't see the difference.

[ElNono]

seriously? One is a member of a known racist organization. So wearing the known uniform ( nazi uniform, kkk sheet, black panther) could keep people from voting. Why am I wasting time explaining this to you. Clearly you are trolling if you don't see the difference from a voting booth and a protest. voting is the greatest thing of america. Therefore should be the most protected and sensitive of anything in our culture. If only you civil rights defenders weren't so wishy washy on who's civil rights your wanting defended.

What you need to explain is why the 2nd amendment ends near a voting booth but doesn't near a protest.

Also, the next time I see a protester openly brandishing a weapon on a public gathering whose purpose isn't to intimidate will be the first time.

[Trill Clinton]

So a white racist group standing in front with weapons in front of a voting booth is acceptable to you?

do you have any photos of these new black panthers holding weapons?

[spursncowboys]

What you need to explain is why the 2nd amendment ends near a voting booth but doesn't near a protest.

Also, the next time I see a protester openly brandishing a weapon on a public gathering whose purpose isn't to intimidate will be the first time.

You're changing the situation. The problem isn't with the weapon at protest. Atleast it isn't with my argument. My argument was what the bp members did at a voting booth. If you are against people bringing guns to a protest than how would you not be against bp members carrying weapons and standing in front of a voting booth. Saying you are against one and not against the other more extreme one (in your eyes they are similar)? That's pretty hypocritical, even for a liberal.

Can you explain how a KKK uniform wearing member standing outside a voting booth would be considered acceptable? I guarantee Eric Holder wouldn't allow it. Nor should he.

You consider making people show ID voter suppression but not this?

[spursncowboys]

do you have any photos of these new black panthers holding weapons?

just google it.

[ElNono]

You're changing the situation. The problem isn't with the weapon at protest. Atleast it isn't with my argument. My argument was what the bp members did at a voting booth. If you are against people bringing guns to a protest than how would you not be against bp members carrying weapons and standing in front of a voting booth. Saying you are against one and not against the other more extreme one (in your eyes they are similar)? That's pretty hypocritical, even for a liberal.

Can you explain how a KKK uniform wearing member standing outside a voting booth would be considered acceptable? I guarantee Eric Holder wouldn't allow it. Nor should he.

You consider making people show ID voter suppression but not this?

I asked you what was the difference in your opinion, because I'm seeing intimidation in both cases. What you're saying is that intimidation is dependent on what a person looks like, where they are, what they think, and not necessarily what they actually do. I disagree with that, even if I don't agree with whatever that person stands for. The reason neither a black panther or a kkk member will get arrested under those cir stances is that we don't penalize thought crimes. All that said, I stopped wondering what Eric Holder would do a long time ago. IMO, it's a waste of time.

I also said plenty of times I'm not against voter ID laws. I'm against voter ID laws that are implemented within 6 months or so from the election, which end up being suppressive simply because of the timing. I've said many times I have no problem with voter ID laws being passed a year or two before elections and getting the electorate educated about the new requirements, but apparently politicians are not interested in passing voter ID laws with enough time in advance, which should speak for itself.

[TeyshaBlue]

Holder Wants Texas to Clear Voting Changes With the U.S.

Voting Rights Act, Section 2. Slam dunk.

[spursncowboys]

What you're saying is that intimidation is dependent on what a person looks like, where they are, what they think, and not necessarily what they actually do. I disagree with that, even if I don't agree with whatever that person stands for.

What they were actually doing was standing in front of a voting booth with a weapon. Poll watchers stated that they saw people walk up see the bp and walk away.
bp members made statements like "white devil" and something about being ruled by black people and cracker.

Someone stood in front of a corner store with a billy club would have been arrested.

[ElNono]

Voting Rights Act, Section 2. Slam dunk.

Apparently, they're claiming Section 3, the "bail in" clause. But it's going to be difficult because now they have to show actual violations of the VRA, and the scope is much more limited.

[ChumpDumper]

seriously? One is a member of a known racist organization. So wearing the known uniform ( nazi uniform, kkk sheet, black panther) could keep people from voting. Why am I wasting time explaining this to you. Clearly you are trolling if you don't see the difference from a voting booth and a protest. voting is the greatest thing of america. Therefore should be the most protected and sensitive of anything in our culture. If only you civil rights defenders weren't so wishy washy on who's civil rights your wanting defended.

Uh, dude was dressed in a Samuel L. Jackson outfit.

The best thing about the video was all the white people walking directly into the voting station completely unimpeded and unintimidated.

[ElNono]

What they were actually doing was standing in front of a voting booth with a weapon. Poll watchers stated that they saw people walk up see the bp and walk away.
bp members made statements like "white devil" and something about being ruled by black people and cracker.

Someone stood in front of a corner store with a billy club would have been arrested.

Well, some people are indeed intimidated by black folk. This isn't necessarily news. The question is what was the crime?

[TeyshaBlue]

Apparently, they're claiming Section 3, the "bail in" clause. But it's going to be difficult because now they have to show actual violations of the VRA, and the scope is much more limited.

That's why I was going with section 2 which bars discriminatory voting practices and pays special attention to changes if the net result is a dilution of minority voting clout. Seems like a fairly easy case to make. But, I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[ElNono]

That's why I was going with section 2 which bars discriminatory voting practices and pays special attention to changes if the net result is a dilution of minority voting clout. Seems like a fairly easy case to make. But, I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

IMO, the problem now is that without Section 4(b) singling out those particular States, they now have to show that what Texas is doing is different than what other States are doing, or if the claim is that other States are in the wrong too, why were they ok when other States did it but not now. It's a much bigger burden on the DOJ. I'm sure they're going to try anyways, but I don't really see it being the slam dunk that it was when section 4(b) was there, since that section was pretty much there under the premise that those states did discriminate, so the DOJ didn't need to prove that.

[ChumpDumper]

So who was intimidated?

They told the poll watchers, right?

They gave statements to the authorities, right?

[TeyshaBlue]

IMO, the problem now is that without Section 4(b) singling out those particular States, they now have to show that what Texas is doing is different than what other States are doing, or if the claim is that other States are in the wrong too, why were they ok when other States did it but not now. It's a much bigger burden on the DOJ. I'm sure they're going to try anyways, but I don't really see it being the slam dunk that it was when section 4(b) was there, since that section was pretty much there under the premise that those states did discriminate, so the DOJ didn't need to prove that.

Good point. I wasn't considering in context to other state's performance.

[boutons_deux]

DoJ should go after EVERY Confederate state, plus any other red state with stringent, disenfranchising voting laws. every ing one of them

Those statesa have ALL forfeited the benefit of the doubt on the motives by LYING FOR YEARS about voter fraud (while engagin in VOTE COUNTING FRAUD).

[boobie4three]

DoJ should go after EVERY Confederate state, plus any other red state with stringent, disenfranchising voting laws. every ing one of them

Those statesa have ALL forfeited the benefit of the doubt on the motives by LYING FOR YEARS about voter fraud (while engagin in VOTE COUNTING FRAUD).

Thank God you're in charge of NOTHING.

[George Gervin's Afro]

anyone guess how many people filed complaints about the black panthers standing in front of the voting location?

[AntiChrist]

anyone guess how many people filed complaints about the black panthers standing in front of the voting location?

I don't know, but I wouldn't want skinheads standing in front of a voting location either.

[Th'Pusher]

I don't know, but I wouldn't want skinheads standing in front of a voting location either.

Did you encounter any sort of voter suppression last time you voted?