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    Didn't the both have democrat congresses?
    he didn't have the House, but he had the Senate for 6 of 8 years

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    I've always thought that liberals live in the world they wish existed and conservatives live in the world that is.
    Every bit as silly as boutons

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    Every bit as silly as boutons
    You Lie

    The Great Boutons is deadly serious, as the es like TB can attest

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    lol..I have an ankle biter!

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    Every bit as silly as boutons
    Just some quotes of progressives describing themselves...

    Progressives tend to believe that since all cultures are equally virtuous, it is better to seek cultural diversity than to join a common culture
    Not in the real world.


    What is a progressive worldview? It's simple: You have empathy for others, and you act responsibly on that empathy, being both responsible for yourself and socially responsible as well. Progressives say, "We're all in this together," while conservatives say," You're on your own."
    Not in the real world.

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    Just some quotes of progressives describing themselves...



    Not in the real world.




    Not in the real world.
    Look up conservative evangelicals.

    Not the real world.

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    Just some quotes of progressives describing themselves...



    Not in the real world.




    Not in the real world.
    I thought you were talking about liberals?

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    Look up conservative evangelicals.

    Not the real world.
    There's always Nugent too:

    Ted Nugent, the perpetually provocative hard rock guitarist, said earlier this week that black Americans should be profiled in the same manner that different breeds of dogs are considered dangerous.

    Nugent made the comments on entertainer Nick Cannon's podcast. The two riffed on race for several minutes until Nugent compared recent cases of strife in race relations to "storm clouds" and dogs.

    "If a Dalmatian has been biting the children in the neighborhood, I think we're going to look for a black-and-white dog," he said.

    "I think that typically when you see the -- I don't even remember the term they use -- but the gangs of blacks lately that have been just been going down the downtown streets and breaking windows on cars," Nugent continued. "Over and over again, I watch the news, and here's a rape and here's a burglary and here's a murder in Chicago. Twenty-nine shot, 29 blacks shot by 29 blacks. At some point, you've gotta be afraid of black-and-white dogs if the Dalmatian is doing the biting."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...usaolp00000009

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    I've always thought that liberals live in the world they wish existed and conservatives live in the world that is.
    Conservatives live in the past and Liberals are trying to birth the future.

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    Please. Conservatives AND liberals share responsibility for endless war, financial sector's unpunished corruption, wrecked voter confidence, record debt and unemployment, out of control untouchable intelligence sector wrecking shop abroad and at home, etc etc

    We have a wrecked system that was BUILT on the ignorant arrogance of brainwashed partisan hacks who invest in a corrupt system and bar any possibility of TRUE progress.

    The two party system wrecked this country, to benefit a handful of slave owning white men.

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    Please. Conservatives AND liberals share responsibility for endless war,
    Wow...

    Mark this day!

    I at least agree with you here!

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    Meh, the way I read it is spelling out ideals... the government being a partisan, corrupt bunch betrays liberal ideals as much as individuals being a greedy bunch betray conservative ideals pretty much equally.

    In an ideal world, with a lean and efficient government, there's nothing wrong with what she says, IMO. Much like in an ideal world, without greed (and things like price fixing, etc), free markets and honest compe ion would require no government intervention. But we're all aware that we don't live in an ideal world. That doesn't mean the ideals are wrong, they simply need to be adjusted to that reality.

    Just my 2c.
    Thread should end here ^

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    Look up conservative evangelicals.

    Not the real world.
    I thought you were talking about liberals?
    Admittedly it is a very broad brush but that's unavoidable in a 2 party system.



    Conservatives live in the past and Liberals are trying to birth the future.
    That's just another way of saying what I said. At their extremes both ideologies are equally destructive.

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    I've always thought that liberals live in the world they wish existed and conservatives live in the world that is.
    You're pretty much spot-on with liberals, but conservatives live in a paranoid fantasy world where everyone's out to get them, tbh....

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    Admittedly it is a very broad brush but that's unavoidable in a 2 party system.

    That's just another way of saying what I said. At their extremes both ideologies are equally destructive.
    absolute bull FALSE EQUIVALENCE. there's simply nothing in the center or left that remotely compares to the right-wing sociopathic, nihilistic extremism that has dominated the Repugs since th 1980s. Even St Ronnie would be ridiculed as socialist by today's Repugs.

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    Republicans Sabotaging, Not Governing

    magine a political party that keeps government from helping people, because that might lead people to support government. Imagine a political party that hurts parts of the country because those parts tend to not vote the way they want. Imagine a political party that would hurt the public, the economy and the country so they could say in the next election, "Hey look at how the country is hurting, vote for us instead." That could never happen here, could it?

    This Is Who They Are Now


    At RedState today the featured post is led, Defund Or Be Challenged. It calls on Republicans to demand that Obamacare be defunded - killed - or they will shut down the governemnt. It says pass a budget that defunds Obamacare and if the Senate won't take it up or the President vetoes it, shut down the government rather than pass a reasonable budget.


    If you say, "So what?" and ask, "Who is RedState" then you are making the same mistake that many in the Democratic establishment have been making for decades. Asking "Who is Rush Limbaugh / Glenn Beck / Sean Hannity / Sarah Palin / Ann Coulter / etc." or saying that what they say doesn't matter is a mistake. This is who they are now. This is who the Republican Party is now. It is RedState, Limbaugh, Coulter, Drudge Report, etc. It is not Bob Dole or John McCain or even Ronald Reagan. It is not Ronald Reagan playing poker with Tip O'Neill.


    Ronald Reagan would be primaried out as a "RINO" in today's Republican Party.


    If you don't get it yet, let this sink in: Mitch McConnell is being primaried for being "a big government guy" and too "progressive" and working with Democrats. Mitch McConnell!


    This is who the Republicans are now. RedState, Limbaugh, Coulter ... this is who they are now.


    Obamacare Helps People - So They Want It Killed


    Obamacare, for all its policy and political flaws, makes our health care system far better than the corrupt and dysfunctional system we have now. (I think Medicare-For-All is the right approach and would have high public support.) People with "preexisting conditions" will finally be able to get insurance. Subsidies will help people afford private insurance. The expansion of Medicaid will help millions receive health care.

    The Republicans want it killed, period, and are willing to sabotage everything to get that. They want this because it will help people and therefore will be popular. They offer no alternative plan and do not care about all of these people who will be helped. In fact, they complain that so many new people will have access to health care that it could cause a shortage of doctors!

    etc, etc

    http://readersupportednews.org/opini...-not-governing




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    absolute bull FALSE EQUIVALENCE. there's simply nothing in the center or left that remotely compares to the right-wing sociopathic, nihilistic extremism that has dominated the Repugs since th 1980s. Even St Ronnie would be ridiculed as socialist by today's Repugs.
    lol

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