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Is that why dems keep pushing back full implemention of obamacare until after the next election?
nope, you right-wingers are getting slapped by Obamacare that will expose all your lies and propaganda, and put a Dem in the WH 2016, maintain control of Senate, and make inroads to the ed up Repug House.
Is that why dems keep pushing back full implemention of obamacare until after the next election?
You Lie
lol simpleton
since when do you extreme conservative/Repug voters GAF about ANY moochers/takers/47%ers?
TBsheds a tear for 16,500 losers?
Since when does the enlightened (
Even idiots like Boutox and Dan should be able to understand that if you add 30 million new insureds "for free" the cost to everyone else is gonna go up one way or another.
http://www.californiahealthline.org/...f-aca-slipping
Support for the Affordable Care Act among ideologically moderate and conservative Democrats has declined from 74% in 2010 -- when the law was enacted -- to 46%, according to a new Washington Post/ABC News poll, the Post's "The Fix" reports. Last year, a similar poll found that support for the ACA among the two factions of Democratic voters stood at 57%.
Meanwhile, 78% of self-identified liberal Democrats said they support the health reform law, the latest survey found. Because 57% of Democratic voters in this year's poll identified either as conservative or moderate, overall support for the ACA in the party has declined from 68% in last year's poll to 58% in this year's poll, the lowest it has been since the law's enactment, according to "The Fix."
The drop in support among the broader group of Democratic voters mirrors the results of similar tracking polls by the Kaiser Family Foundation and Fox News (Clement, "The Fix," Washington Post, 7/23).
For the poll, Langer Research Associates surveyed a random national sample of 1,002 adults by telephone between July 18 and July 21. The poll has a margin of sampling error of 3.5 percentage points (Langer, "Politics," ABC News, 7/23).
More Details of Poll
Overall, 42% of respondents said they continue to favor the ACA, while 49% said they oppose to the law (Sherfinski, "Inside Politics," Washington Times, 7/23). The poll also surveyed respondents on the Obama administration's recent decision to delay by one year the ACA's employer coverage mandate.
The poll found that overall, 51% of respondents said they support the administration's decision, while 45% said they opposed the decision. Of the latter group, 48% of respondents said the delay indicates that the law is so flawed that it should be repealed, while 46% said the delay "is just something that happens when changes are made to a complex system."
Effect on Midterm Election
According to The Hill's "Healthwatch," some observers suggest the decline in overall support among Democratic voters could be detrimental to congressional Democrats' efforts to retain key Senate seats in certain conservative states in next year's midterm election. However, some Democrats say they remain hopeful that public opinion will improve as the law's major provisions take effect in January 2014 (Baker, "Healthwatch," The Hill, 7/23).
GOP To Conservatives: Stop Acting Crazy Over Obamacare
The GOP push to hold government funding hostage to gutting Obamacare appears to be losing steam in Congress as a growing chorus of Republicans and conservative writers are coming out of the woodwork to urge hardliners within their party to be realistic.
“I think it’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of,” Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) told reporters in the Capitol on Thursday. “Listen, as long as Barack Obama is president, the Affordable Care Act is going to be law.”
Republicans in the House and Senate are working to corner colleagues into withholding support for keeping government open after the lights go out on Sept. 30 unless Obamacare is defunded. And a growing number of pragmatic conservatives — in and out of Congress — recognize that’s a suicide mission that threatens the GOP’s credibility as well as its electoral prospects ahead of a promising midterm election.
In recent days, Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK), a deputy majority whip, has derided the conservative effort as a “temper tantrum” and compared it to “blackmail.” Appearing Wednesday evening on Fox News, he warned that “it is the sort of thing that creates a backlash and could cost the Republicans the majority in the House.”
Meanwhile, two well-read conservative writers — Byron York of the Washington Examiner and Ramesh Ponnuru, a columnist for Bloomberg View — put the kibosh on this plan Friday.
In an article led “No, the GOP is not going to defund Obamacare,” York reports that Republicans privately admit they’re embarking on a fool’s errand but have to show conservatives they’re sparing no effort to fight Obamacare.
Ponnuru calls the plan “disastrous” and warns that “it will backfire.” He lists several reasons why the public “would almost certainly blame Republicans” if the government shuts down — all of which are well understood by pragmatic Republicans who witnessed the Newt Gingrich-led shutdowns of the 1990s.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-obamacare.php
All the wingnuts have on this issue is their polls...what a joke...What is evident is that in states where politicians drop ideological obstructions and work in concert with the law to help their citizens, the moral thing to do, progress is made. For those in states where politicians’ ideological blinders are worn, their citizens suffer. Texas is a state where over 25% of its population is uninsured and many more are underinsured, yet Governor Rick Perry refuses to accept Obamacare dollars to expand Medicaid that would help millions of Texans under false ideological pretenses.
http://egbertowillies.com/2013/07/19...-gop-sabotage/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/op...s.html?hp&_r=0Before the House vote, officials in New York State said they had approved premium rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available. In New York City, individuals who now pay $1,000 a month or more will be able to find policies on the health exchanges — online marketplaces where they can comparison shop for plans — for as little as $308 a month.
This, but I'm sure Boutons will now scream "false equivalence" since he wants to believe in the myth of the two-party system....
Again, as in Bishop Gecko's MA, those states that work to implement ACA will mostly succeed, while those ing Repug red states will themselves and their 47%.
That's why the Repugs are so scared less to try to kill immigration reform and ACA.
Truthbombs, tbh. Obamacare is corporate welfare Republicans are typically known for, and the Republicans tricked Obama into it. Now any effort to introduce a true single payer policy in the future can be countered with, "Remember Obamacare!"
Calling ACA corporate welfare confirms the status quo, even for you assholes who deny it, of the USA being run for and by Corporate-Americans to 100% detriment of Human-Americans.
If BigPharma, health insurance companies, etc didn't benefit from ACA, they would have KILLED ACA with lies and propaganda like they Harry-and-Louise'd Hillary's plan 20 years ago.
The same corporations forced Dems to drop a hard core public option that Barry ran on.
The govt can't do anything without the real rulers of America extracting their (billions of ) "pound of flesh".
And not one of you have any ing idea, right wingers and libertarans have no desire, to get corporations and 1% and the financial sector from standing between the govt and its citizens.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
-- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
Let's be real, both parties kiss equal amounts of corporate ass and have done so for a very long time....
Well in this case it was Obama using Bob Dole's healthcare plan
I also think that Clinton era Democrats are giant corporate s, but not on the ridiculous, out of control Republican level. For example, Obama has given the military industrial complex tons, but nothing on the level of the war in Iraq, tbh.
True, but the Clinton Democrats had been pushing for a war in Iraq throughout the '90s, tbh...
Yup, they also bombed Iraq a few times iirc, but that's the Clinton Democrat MO. Position yourself barely to the left of the Republicans so you're far enough to the right where they can't criticize you for anything while you're far enough to the left where you can say to your base, "Hey I might suck, but at least I'm not Mitt Romney!" The Clinton era Dems don't firmly stand for anything other than winning elections.
The 'Clinton Democrats' never favored an invasion and occupation of Iraq.. they were very content lobbying missiles at Hussein
link? It was PNAC (Repug/Jewish neocons) writing letters in late 90s to Clinton to invade Iraq for oil.
Clinton shot a missile at OBL, whom Repugs ignored until 9/11, because they "knew" terrorism was not a threat (and if Clinton viewed terrorism as important, Repugs would know the opposite, since Dems can't be right about anythying), and much less important than Iraqi oil.
red-state Montana's FREE health care: $1M+ in state savings
Montana's State-Run Free Clinic Sees Early Success
The state contracts with a private company to run the facility and pays for everything — wages of the staff, total costs of all the visits. Those are all new expenses, and they all come from the budget for state employee healthcare.
Even so, division manager Russ Hill says it's actually costing the state $1,500,000 less for healthcare than before the clinic opened.
"Because there's no markup, our cost per visit is lower than in a private fee-for-service environment," Hill says.
Physicians are paid by the hour, not by the number of procedures they prescribe like many in the private sector. The state is able to buy supplies at lower prices.
“ Because there's no markup, our cost per visit is lower than in a private fee-for-service environment. - Russ Hill of the Montana Health Center
Bottom line: a patient's visit to the employee health clinic costs the state about half what it would cost if that patient went to a private doctor. And because it's free to patients, hundreds of people have come in who had not seen a doctor for at least two years
Hill says the facility is catching a lot, including
600 people who have diabetes,
1,300 people with high cholesterol,
1,600 people with high blood pressure and
2,600 patients diagnosed as obese.
Treating these conditions early could avoid heart attacks, amputations, or other expensive hospital visits down the line, saving the state more money.
Clinic operations director and physician's assistant Jimmie Barnwell says this model feels more rewarding to him.
"Having those barriers of time and money taken out of the way are a big part [of what gets] people to come into the clinic. But then, when they come into the clinic, they get a lot of face time with the nurses and the doctors," Barnwell says.
http://www.npr.org/2013/07/30/206654...-early-success
a really bad omen for Obamacare lowering the barriers for poor people to get medical care
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Conservatives Concede Defeat In Obamacare Shutdown Fight
Multiple conservatives leading the charge to shut down the government if Obamacare isn’t defunded have begun to admit it’s a lost cause as senior Republicans put the kibosh on the plan.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) lamented Monday afternoon that Republicans are too “scared” to follow through with the plan to withhold support for funding the government after the Sept. 30 deadline unless Obamacare is defunded.
“The problem right now is we don’t have Republicans willing to stand up and do this,” he said on The Andrea Tantaros Show, a conservative talk radio program. “We need 41 Republicans in the Senate or 218 Republicans in the House, to stand together, to join me, to join Mike Lee, to join Marco Rubio, all of whom have said, we will not vote for a single continuing resolution that funds even a penny of Obamacare.”
Late last week, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) laughed out loud when Sean Hannity of Fox News asked if Republicans have the “courage” to stand tough against legislation that funds Obamacare.
“Frankly, probably not,” the senator said.
As far as they’re concerned, these two lawmakers are pressing on with their demands, along with 10 other senators who signed a letter by Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) pledging not to fund the government unless it excludes appropriations to implement the Affordable Care Act. But they’re far short of a critical mass and facing headwinds not just from Democrats but from GOP leaders who recognize the perils of shutting down the government over Obamacare.
Senior Republicans are deriding the plan as “dumb,” “silly” and a “temper tantrum,” warning that it will fail and damage the party’s prospects in the upcoming 2014 elections.
“[I]t’s dishonest,” conservative Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) told the Washington Examiner, dismissing the plan as “a denial of reality mixed with a whole bunch of hype.”
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/07/conservatives-admit-defeat-in-obamacare-shutdown-battle.php
When you can't get an extremist, corrupt, hate-govt asshole like Coburn on your extortionist team, you should know you're finished.
Boutons you are out of your mind if you think that hundreds of thousands of part timers now getting 36 hours a week won't get cut to 29 hours a week to dodge the ACA mandates.
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