Very true. Ugly part of their history.
Personally (I have 20 years in the US too) it hasn't been the case, but I gather it has to do with the fact I'm not brown-skinned, nor have certain Peruvian/Bolivian/Mexican traits (short, squinty eyes, etc).
I do agree there's some sort of tribal latino pride (La Raza, etc), which I personally don't quite get. Seems to be more associated with Mexicans, Cubans, Costa Ricans, etc.
That's why I thought Manny's question was indeed interesting.
Bull ! We (Mexicans) love Manu because he's a great player that's helped this franchise to be so successful. He's a hall of famer and has been loyal to the Spurs. It's the same way we love Duncan. Even when it looked like he was losing it, we stood behind him because what he has done and means to this team.
One of many, tbh...
I thought that would be the case, you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that what you say is true.
Why should anyone believe what you say? Because you are "hater"? Because you have been in the USA for 20 years? Or because of your "supposed" interactions with thousands of average Americans?
Why should any of us believe any of that anymore than we believe your other preposterous claims?
You have no LINK to speak of, consequently your claims are based on fallacies, thus delusion on your part.
Besides many of us here have been around here a lot longer than you have and interacted with many more Americans than you have. By your very own argument they have much more credibility.
again. nobody is expecting you to believe anything you read here. you are a big boy, make your own mind up. this is just a discussion avenue.
love these ppl that ask for LINKs
you a big boy and possess 10 fingers. Do your own research and make yout own decisions.
Don't need to, I witnessed the games as did most the rest of us.again. nobody is expecting you to believe anything you read here. you are a big boy, make your own mind up. this is just a discussion avenue.
love these ppl that ask for LINKs
you a big boy and possess 10 fingers. Do your own research and make yout own decisions.
Sorry to be the one to again inform you, but beyond the blinders you are wearing which must be influencing your ridiculous statements, it was all there for everyone to see, and does nothing to support any of your claims, thus you lack credibility.
sorry. I don't play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. you might have to find another playmate for that.
I respectfully disagree.
Manu was given his contract due to being hispanic and the large hispanic population in San Antonio. Holt gotta feed his kids.
wake up. Manu is infinitely more popular in San Antonio than Duncan. You might be in the minority of mexican fans that are as ardent devotees of Duncan as they are of Manu. But the MAJORITY are 10x more of a fan of Manu than of Duncan. That in itsellf is a travesty IMO
Duncan is not only underappreciated nationally, he is also underappreciated locally. Furthermore, if Duncan was of hispanic origin, they would have renamed the city of San Antonio to San Timoteo long ago.
Sounds a lot like my background in Economics. Lol
True. Where I am from the only things that gets a vote before a demonrat is someone with a mexicannlast name--unless that last name is Cruz (R-TX). Can't get elected dog catcher with a name like Jones down here. No way.
Look folks, there is no doubting that Manu is immensely popular in San Antonio due to the fact that he speaks the language of many of it's inhabitants, but to say the only reason he got his contract because he shares that language and much of that culture is pure NONSENSE.
Too many people on this forum have forgotten that it is the Spurs way (under Peter Holt) to reward their key franchise players inflated final contracts. You do realize that Avery Johnson's final contract in 2000-2001 was 8 million?
Now I don't know about you, but Manu at 7.5 million vs. Avery at 8 million per year is all of the proof you need. I think it would be safe to say that Manu at this stage is more valuable than Avery was in '00-'01 no?
Look, if you want to piss and moan about the 7.5 per over the next two years, go ahead...sure, it would have been nice to see that number at 4.5-5, per to save some money for another acquisition, but to make it a race argument is just being ignorant of the way the Spurs FO does things.
If you think about it, these inflated final contract rewards are really brilliant in the grand scheme of things. Holt, Pop, and RC know there status as a small market, and likewise, so do players. Players in the organization, and across the league are well aware of the way the Spurs do things. To compete with larger markets, and not have their talent bolt to those large markets, these rewarded contracts offer incentive for player loyalty.
Have you ever wondered why so many Spurs franchise players stay in San Antonio? Go look at other small market teams for a compare and contrast. I am aware that wanting to play with a great like TD makes players want to stay too, but these reward contracts are another piece.
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With some of the posters around here lately I am really surprised this thread has not provoked a racial war in here.
Maybe the lingering "Travyon effect"?
San Timoteo
but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.
but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.
truth nuclear holocaust
Oh man, that last sentence is classic. LOL
but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.
Wow, very well said Hater. Duncan is very unappreciated here in SA while Manu is the favorite because he speaks the Spanish tongue. No wonder there are so many Manu s on this forum. No wonder everyone hates me when I criticize Manu and I say that Tim Duncan is the franchise player and the main ingredient on why the Spurs have 4 championships. Props to you Hater. BTW, that xmas1997 person will call everyone that doesn't agree with her or praises the Spurs BLIND or DELUSIONAL so I'm glad you realized that. No matter how many facts one presents to the Popsuckers and Manu , they will call you a Hater. smh... ing blind Homers.
but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.
It couldn't be because Manu's been a very exciting player all these years and like his personality and unselfishness he's shown all these years coming off the bench for every single SG we've had since he's been here. Sometimes I wish he left the first time when he had a chance since we could've won some championships according to some without him.
interesting point. It possibly would have been better for both parties(spurs and manu) had they parted ways around 2008. This strategy of standing pat and overloyalty to the stars hurt the Spurs a lot. But who knows, Manu could possibly been more famous and successful in a bigger market like NY, DC, etc.
I hope Spurs office is learning the lesson(the hard way) that this overloyalty and standing pat with the core has a 50-50 chance of being successful at best.
He got the contract because he's been a great Spur and because Pop loves the guy. So does the city. I have loved the big 3, but with Manu it's more tolerance than love over the last couple years and especially this last post season. I don't like the fact that the Spurs' success hinges on this guy and his helter skelter play and overplayed injury plagued body ... these factors have nullified almost all the good feelings I have had for him. I just hope he retires after next season, I have a feeling it's going to be really ugly. At this point it doesn't matter how much rest he has. He embarassed himself in the finals and he will never get over that. He has huge confidence issues as we all know. With his style of play and his oft injured body and his diminishing skills he should have ing retired. Period. He's too ing old. Spurs could have parted ways and it would have been all good.
Parker got his ass raped by Mike Conely and graves vasquez back in 2011......
2010 Hill outplayed parker vs the mavs.
2009 Manu gets hurt the Spurs don't even get out of the 1st round.
yes. and I did give Parker grief back then too. that is irrelevant because we were in no position to contend for anything in 2011
2010 and 2009 same thing.
It wasn't for TP's lack of trying. He had his best playoff series. Almost averaged 30/game.
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