NBA: Kobe To Duncan: " My ring count is higher than yours.”

[Buddy Mignon]

Yes, Cub, secondary players and role players do make big differences in le runs. Only further proving my point. While it is absolutely true that Kobe was second banana, he was a great second banana indeed. 1 banana can never win on his own

Hakeem did and Kobe did.

[spurraider21]

Hakeem did and Kobe did.

You can make a much better case for Hakeem than Kobe. Pau is definitely a banana.

That's weird to read out loud

[Buddy Mignon]

You can make a much better case for Hakeem than Kobe. Pau is definitely a banana.

That's weird to read out loud

Pau was an unwanted man prior to playing with Kobe. Kobe made him famous. He instantly became overrated. That team that beat Orlando was the weakest team ever le team ever!!!

[spurraider21]

Pau was an unwanted man prior to playing with Kobe. Kobe made him famous. He instantly became overrated. That team that beat Orlando was the weakest team ever le team ever!!!

Check Spurs '03 roster/stats

you had Andrew, Pau, Lamar. thats nothing to scoff at. Ariza had a fantastic playoff run, making 48% of his 3's, and sealed a couple of games with inbounds steals. nobody on the Spurs 03 roster came close to Pau or even Lamar

[Buddy Mignon]

Check Spurs '03 roster/stats

you had Andrew, Pau, Lamar. thats nothing to scoff at. Ariza had a fantastic playoff run, making 48% of his 3's, and sealed a couple of games with inbounds steals. nobody on the Spurs 03 roster came close to Pau or even Lamar

Bynum was and still is a BUM... and he was and still is injured. Odom was and still is a mental midget. Kobe carried a team of losers to back to back. No other way of putting it.

[ambchang]

Pau was an unwanted man prior to playing with Kobe. Kobe made him famous. He instantly became overrated. That team that beat Orlando was the weakest team ever le team ever!!!

Bull , teams were fighting for Pau's services. Bulls were willing to give up Deng, who was a rising star back then, for Pau.

Quit rewriting history, which is the only thing Kobe fans can do to prop up their false god.

[spurraider21]

Bynum was and still is a BUM... and he was and still is injured. Odom was and still is a mental midget. Kobe carried a team of losers to back to back. No other way of putting it.

2003 Finals stats

2009 Finals stats

tell me again, who had more help? Pau alone trumps anything the Timmy had on his side. The Spurs 2nd leading scorer in the finals was 21 year old Tony parker averaging 14 points on 38% shooting, who was often benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in crunch-time

[ambchang]

When you use ring counts and nothing else to argue one player is better than the other, you have already lost the argument.

[Buddy Mignon]

2003 Finals stats

2009 Finals stats

tell me again, who had more help? Pau alone trumps anything the Timmy had on his side. The Spurs 2nd leading scorer in the finals was 21 year old Tony parker averaging 14 points on 38% shooting, who was often benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in crunch-time

Duncan played with 3 future HOF'ers... Kobe best player was Fisher.

[spurraider21]

Duncan played with 3 future HOF'ers... Kobe best player was Fisher.

you are simply pathetic. funny how you like to refer to robinson's 11 and 7, manu's 8 ppg, parkers 14 ppg on 38% shooting as hall of fame players. neither were playing at that caliber at the timePERIOD

[Buddy Mignon]

you are simply pathetic. funny how you like to refer to robinson's 11 and 7, manu's 8 ppg, parkers 14 ppg on 38% shooting as hall of fame players. neither were playing at that caliber at the timePERIOD

They were all champions in heart. Let's not forget Jackson as well.

[spurraider21]

They were all champions in heart. Let's not forget Jackson as well.

yes jackson's 10ppg on 38% shooting was instrumental in the 03 finals. he had his clutch moment where he knocked in those big 3's in game 6 though, i'll give that. role players have to do something, but lets not be re ed and pretend the Spurs cast that year had anybody near as good as prime Pau

[Buddy Mignon]

yes jackson's 10ppg on 38% shooting was instrumental in the 03 finals. he had his clutch moment where he knocked in those big 3's in game 6 though, i'll give that. role players have to do something, but lets not be re ed and pretend the Spurs cast that year had anybody near as good as prime Pau

Combined talent it's a wash. That Kobe led team was a sad team. With the exception of Pau... where are all those players?

Sasha... out of the league
Walton???
Odom... rehab.
Ariza???
Bynum??? LOL!!!
Radmon???
Fartmar???

Kobe led a team full of bums.

[spurraider21]

Combined talent it's a wash. That Kobe led team was a sad team. With the exception of Pau... where are all those players?

Sasha... out of the league
Walton???
Odom... rehab.
Ariza???
Bynum??? LOL!!!
Radmon???
Fartmar???

Kobe led a team full of bums.

i can list the bottom of the spurs bench too. Danny Ferry? Kevin Willis? Steve Smith? Speedy Claxton? nobody on the spurs compared to pau. nothing you say can refute that, but keep spinning it and deflecting if it helps ya sleep at night

[Buddy Mignon]

i can list the bottom of the spurs bench too. Danny Ferry? Kevin Willis? Steve Smith? Speedy Claxton? nobody on the spurs compared to pau. nothing you say can refute that, but keep spinning it and deflecting if it helps ya sleep at night

Minus Pau that was our rotation.

[spurraider21]

Minus Pau that was our rotation.

yes, just throw out the hall of fame big man that was in his prime

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When you use ring counts and nothing else to argue one player is better than the other, you have already lost the argument.

Let us proceed...

Kobe: 5

the tired old bag Duncan: 4

[j-money24]

don't be purposely obtuse. it goes to show that ring count is a team thing and not to be the sole judgment when ranking players.

In that case, than TImmy won't be ranked as high without his rings.
Karl Malone best PF of all time

[spurraider21]

In that case, than TImmy won't be ranked as high without his rings.
Karl Malone best PF of all time

i said not the SOLE judgement. as in, ring count =/= all time rank. as in robert horry isn't better than MJ. reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of people on this forum

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i said not the SOLE judgement. as in, ring count =/= all time rank. as in robert horry isn't better than MJ. reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of people on this forum

And if you had the 5 you'd be plowing my ass with it. Just take the pickle and suffer. You got no choice. You didn't get it.

[Clipper Nation]

And if you had the 5 you'd be plowing my ass with it.

Nuh uh, your ass would still be hiding on your front porch stoopPERIOD

[spurraider21]

And if you had the 5 you'd be plowing my ass with it. Just take the pickle and suffer. You got no choice. You didn't get it.

like i told you earlier, the only reason i'd actually use it is to give a taste of your own medicine, not because i actually believe its true

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like i told you earlier, the only reason i'd actually use it is to give a taste of your own medicine, not because i actually believe its true

That's convenient & simply adorable.

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Nuh uh, your ass would still be hiding on your front porch stoopPERIOD

Horse . I'd a been in here pronto, not like a shot from a cannon as was the case, but, I'd a showed.

[spurraider21]

That's convenient & simply adorable.

its equally convenient as adorable as when laker fans adopted the rings argument only after kobe surpassed duncan, don't you think?