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  1. #26
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    He is a system player, as are most Spur players. So long as Gregg coaches, he will rise.
    this

  2. #27
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    After all, neither one of the big three ever considered superstars and mainly because they play in San Antonio
    & are under the supervision & protection of Media. Only one x 3 of the big three can a bed like 6 & 7 and live to not tell.

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    & are under the supervision & protection of Media. Only one x 3 of the big three can a bed like 6 & 7 and live to not tell.

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    lol finals

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    Floor: Josh Howard
    Ceiling: Shawn Marion
    He is already better than both of those players.

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    He is already better than both of those players.
    Except Marion beat James in the Final.

  7. #32
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    Except Marion beat James in the Final.
    Way to be intellectually honest.

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    That's telling me.

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    The one trait I see from most superstars, specifically from perimeter scoring wing players, is the one-on-one scoring ability. Kawhi can drop 20-25 points on any given night if he's feeling it, but can he do it on a night in, night out basis, being the primary scorer and focal point of the defense? I don't know. I haven't watched enough of him to determine that. It's hard to become a superstar being merely a "good" offensive player but also being an outstanding defender, unless you're a defensive center who is good enough to be a 20 point scorer.

    Whether Kawhi will be able to reach the status of "supers om" or anywhere close to that I believe depends on him showing that one-on-one scoring ability and the ability to carry an offense by himself. It's one thing to average an efficient 13-15 points (what I would say he probably projects to average next season) as a third or fourth option on a good team. It's something entirely different to put up 20+ points every night as the primary scorer of a team. I don't know that Kawhi has that type of ability. He may, but it's hard to say right now.

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    Now shut your ing mouth.

  12. #37
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    Now shut your ing mouth.
    My mouth was never open seeing as how i'm typing, boy. We aren't all slack jawed mouth breathers like you.

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    The one trait I see from most superstars, specifically from perimeter scoring wing players, is the one-on-one scoring ability. Kawhi can drop 20-25 points on any given night if he's feeling it, but can he do it on a night in, night out basis, being the primary scorer and focal point of the defense? I don't know. I haven't watched enough of him to determine that. It's hard to become a superstar being merely a "good" offensive player but also being an outstanding defender, unless you're a defensive center who is good enough to be a 20 point scorer.

    Whether Kawhi will be able to reach the status of "supers om" or anywhere close to that I believe depends on him showing that one-on-one scoring ability and the ability to carry an offense by himself. It's one thing to average an efficient 13-15 points (what I would say he probably projects to average next season) as a third or fourth option on a good team. It's something entirely different to put up 20+ points every night as the primary scorer of a team. I don't know that Kawhi has that type of ability. He may, but it's hard to say right now.
    it depends, are we talkin about winning games or not? cause anyone can go hero mode for their own personal stats and dont give a about the over team objective is the WIN...

    he was the goto guy on his college team, i see he has no problem performing that role on the spurs, but his role currently now is spot up shooter behind the 3 TOSB limiting what he can actually do to help out more when outside of the big3 every other player is just to 1 dimensional on a particular skillset that overlaps the weakness of another player....

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    that championship belt ain't his though. belonged to big daddy Tyson

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    it depends, are we talkin about winning games or not? cause anyone can go hero mode for their own personal stats and dont give a about the over team objective is the WIN...

    he was the goto guy on his college team, i see he has no problem performing that role on the spurs, but his role currently now is spot up shooter behind the 3 TOSB limiting what he can actually do to help out more when outside of the big3 every other player is just to 1 dimensional on a particular skillset that overlaps the weakness of another player....
    Yeah, doing it on winning teams is definitely a factor. Not a make-or-break factor, but definitely a consideration. Carrying an offense for a lottery team can be like Corey Maggette on the Clippers or Kevin Martin on the Kings when they were putting up big scoring seasons. But even beyond any threshold scoring number, it's about a guy's ability to go out and score when he needs to score. Like 4th quarter of a close game and someone needs to step up and take over the game offensively. It's not just merely averaging 20+ points or shooting a high percentage. It's scoring when you need to score to help your team win. It's the other team knowing you're trying to score every time and defending you as such and still not being able to stop you. It's having your shots not falling but still finding a way to score by either getting to the bucket and scoring or getting to the free throw line or fighting for offensive rebounds. It's realizing the entire opposing defense is collapsing and getting teammates wide open looks. Or it's being double or triple teamed and still having the ability to get a shot off and score. It's the team down by 1 point in the final seconds and you need a bucket and you're the guy who's going to deliver. Things like that are what in my opinion help prove and support a guy is a superstar talent. I mean, there are guys who have that one-on-one scoring ability and are also clutch but aren't superstars. Monta Ellis, Jamal Crawford, JR Smith have that type of ability but they aren't superstars. But it seems the the superstars from the wing position all have that ability too. It alone doesn't make you a superstar, but it's like a prerequisite.

    I don't think of guys who are stud defenders but only solid to pretty good offensive players as superstars. Kawhi has the look of guys like Shawn Marion, Ron Artest, Gerald Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Richard Jefferson. I'm not suggesting his game is identical to any of those players, but that his talent is in that tier and caliber of talent at the SF position. Athletically gifted and/or defensively superior, and good but not great offensively, more secondary option on offense than a primary scorer. That's why I say he needs to prove more offensively in order to step towards supers om. He's not going to be a superstar averaging 12 points a game, not even 15 points a game.

    Being a go to guy in a college offense isn't very telling. There are plenty of examples of go-to guys in college who end up being role players in the nba or don't even make it. And it's not like he was putting up gaudy scoring numbers at SDSU. As a "go-to" guy, he averaged about 14 points and right around 45% from the field his two years in college. Not exactly hardcore evidence he could be a 20+ point scoring superstar in the NBA.

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    He won't be as good as any of those guys. Like I said... if he works his ass of he could reach the level of a Prince but not better. Spurs fans should be happy with that and shut the up about this average roll player.

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    Dude can be a borderline superstar, or a multi-time all-star as well if he moves to a bigger market (like Houston, the fans would vote you straightly in). He ain't gonna be a Pierce-caliber SF but he will be as good as the prime Josh Howard imho, in fact he's already playing close to that level.

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    Kawhi Leonard is becoming a star player. He is the future of the Spurs, and eventually I think he will become the Spurs main scoring option. That will prove that he is more than just a system player, and that he is a star player in the NBA.

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    Kawhi Leonard is becoming a star player. He is the future of the Spurs, and eventually I think he will become the Spurs main scoring option. That will prove that he is more than just a system player, and that he is a star player in the NBA.
    I hope your GM thinks the same.

  20. #45
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    Kid is getting there...

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    Lakaluva

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    LOL

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    Kawhi, you are a superstar..

  24. #49
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    He's arrived. DPOY and is dominating both ends in the playoffs.

  25. #50
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    All those ing gots upstairs who hate Kawhi

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