Was Tony Parker the 3rd best PG in the NBA last season?

[TheGreatYacht]

Someone made another thread about Manu being the 3rd best SG in the NBA and of course a lot of Manu s bought into that . According to the Hollinger stats on ESPN, Manu was indeed the 4th best SG in the league last season behind Wade, Kobe, and Harden. Since the Manu s use the Hollinger PER stat to support their theory about their God Manu, I want to ask the Spurs homers another question.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of Spurs homers think that Tony Parker is the best PG in the NBA. Well according to Hollinger, Parker was the 3rd best PG in the NBA last season. Are you Spurs homers willing to admit that Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook are better than TP?

I myself don't have too much of a problem with Hollinger's PER stats because according to them, Tim Duncan was the best PF last season which I already knew of course and I don't need some statistician to confirm what my eyes see. Keep in mind that the PER stats don’t really take into account defense. According to the Hollinger PER stats, Carmelo Anthony and Brook Lopez are better than Tim Duncan.

So Manu s and Spurs homers, what is your opinion on this matter?


2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Point Guards

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Point Guards
RK	PLAYER	GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Chris Paul, LAC	70	33.4	.594	36.9	8.7	23.9	2.8	10.5	6.7	26.43	537.7	17.9
2	Russell Westbrook, OKC	82	34.9	.532	22.8	10.2	31.2	4.8	11.8	8.6	23.98	554.4	18.5
3	Tony Parker, SA	66	32.9	.588	27.6	9.4	26.6	1.0	9.1	5.3	23.10	392.7	13.1
4	Kyrie Irving, CLE	59	34.7	.553	20.1	11.0	29.2	1.8	10.8	6.1	21.51	321.3	10.7
5	Stephen Curry, GS	78	38.2	.589	23.5	10.5	25.3	2.3	9.1	5.8	21.34	460.2	15.3
6	John Wall, WSH	49	32.7	.521	26.7	11.2	28.7	2.4	11.2	6.8	20.91	236.9	7.9
7	Deron Williams, BKN	78	36.4	.574	28.6	10.3	24.9	1.2	8.5	4.8	20.38	397.8	13.3
8	Kemba Walker, CHA	82	34.9	.517	22.7	9.6	24.8	2.3	9.2	5.7	18.86	335.5	11.2
9	Jose Calderon, DET/TOR	73	29.6	.616	39.4	9.6	16.5	1.1	8.6	4.8	18.80	251.5	8.4
10	Mike Conley, MEM	80	34.5	.549	28.0	10.9	21.3	1.8	7.9	4.8	18.38	303.8	10.1

2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Power Forwards

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards
RK	PLAYER	GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Tim Duncan, SA	69	30.1	.554	12.8	10.2	24.8	7.3	29.6	19.1	24.45	401.7	13.4
2	Blake Griffin, LAC	80	32.5	.572	17.2	10.6	24.0	8.7	21.5	15.2	22.44	424.3	14.1
3	Amar'e Stoudemire, NY	29	23.5	.637	3.4	12.9	22.8	10.0	15.1	12.4	22.16	108.5	3.6
4	Anthony Davis, NO	64	28.8	.559	6.8	9.6	19.9	10.5	23.5	16.8	21.80	283.8	9.5
5	David West, IND	73	33.4	.545	14.0	10.3	23.0	6.8	18.8	12.9	20.15	314.2	10.5
6	Paul Millsap, UTAH	78	30.4	.550	14.7	10.1	21.1	8.6	18.8	13.7	19.89	297.4	9.9
7	Dirk Nowitzki, DAL	53	31.3	.564	13.0	6.9	21.9	2.5	21.5	12.2	19.88	207.6	6.9
8	J.J. Hickson, POR	80	29.0	.591	8.0	13.2	18.0	13.2	28.5	20.7	19.71	315.8	10.5
9	Serge Ibaka, OKC	80	31.1	.612	4.2	12.1	15.9	11.1	17.0	14.2	19.41	293.3	9.8
10	Kevin Garnett, BOS	68	29.7	.535	13.2	9.1	21.9	4.5	25.8	15.5	19.25	261.0	8.

2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - All Players

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Players
RK	PLAYER	GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	LeBron James, MIA	76	37.9	.640	23.3	9.6	28.2	4.4	20.8	13.1	31.67	909.0	30.3
2	Kevin Durant, OKC	81	38.5	.647	15.5	11.6	27.4	1.8	20.3	11.8	28.35	830.8	27.7
3	Chris Paul, LAC	70	33.4	.594	36.9	8.7	23.9	2.8	10.5	6.7	26.43	537.7	17.9
4	Carmelo Anthony, NY	67	37.0	.560	8.3	8.5	32.2	6.1	15.9	10.8	24.83	530.8	17.7
5	Brook Lopez, BKN	74	30.4	.567	4.8	8.9	26.1	10.8	16.1	13.4	24.81	477.8	15.9
6	Tim Duncan, SA	69	30.1	.554	12.8	10.2	24.8	7.3	29.6	19.1	24.45	401.7	13.4
7	Dwyane Wade, MIA	69	34.7	.571	19.3	10.6	27.0	4.7	12.6	8.9	24.04	483.1	16.1
8	Russell Westbrook, OKC	82	34.9	.532	22.8	10.2	31.2	4.8	11.8	8.6	23.98	554.4	18.5
9	Tony Parker, SA	66	32.9	.588	27.6	9.4	26.6	1.0	9.1	5.3	23.10	392.7	13.1
	Kobe Bryant, LAL	78	38.6	.570	17.9	10.9	30.0	2.5	13.1	7.9	23.10	566.4	18.9

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

[spurraider21]

Amare Stoudemire was the 3rd best power forward on the list.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

tl;dr

[Vash StampedE]

He was not just the 3rd, he was the best before he suffered an injury late in the season.
Not watching games and just looking at the box scores

At first you're hating on Manu, now on TP? Who's next? Tim, for missing the game 7 layup?

[cd021]

Caulderon was the 9th best PG? 3 teams in less than 7 months... and $29 million dollar contract. Sounds right to me....

[kobexxx]

ill put Deron Williams at number 3 or 2, then steph curry

[TheGreatYacht]

Amare Stoudemire was the 3rd best power forward on the list.

tl;dr

He was not just the 3rd, he was the best before he suffered an injury late in the season.
Not watching games and just looking at the box scores

At first you're hating on Manu, now on TP? Who's next? Tim, for missing the game 7 layup?

I knew it. What a bunch of hypocrites. Don't hate on the messenger. I'm just pointing out that when the stats favor you homers (Popsuckers & Manu s), you'll are quick to agree such as Manu being the 3rd/4th best SG in the NBA. When they don't favor your team, you'll are quick to disagree. Pussies... homers... smh.

[spurraider21]

I knew it. What a bunch of hypocrites. Don't hate on the messenger. I'm just pointing out that when the stats favor you homers (Popsuckers & Manu s), you'll are quick to agree such as Manu being the 3rd/4th best SG in the NBA. When they don't favor your team, you'll are quick to disagree. Pussies... homers... smh.

show me where I call Manu a top 3-4 shooting guard.

[ChumpDumper]

Why would third best in the NBA be a bad thing?

[TXstbobcat]

Parker was the best pg in the nba last season.

[Texas_Ranger]

Tony was the best attacking the rim, scoring point guard, overall Paul was still #1, but I'd put TP over Westbrick.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I knew it. What a bunch of hypocrites. Don't hate on the messenger. I'm just pointing out that when the stats favor you homers (Popsuckers & Manu s), you'll are quick to agree such as Manu being the 3rd/4th best SG in the NBA. When they don't favor your team, you'll are quick to disagree. Pussies... homers... smh.

[Rogue]

I remember he was even a top3 MVP candidate at one time, closely following the Kang and the circus runner.

[PlayNando]

F U Yacht, tbh. Manu s just proves how low you are on the totem pole.

And, yes, Tony may have been the 3rd-best PG in the NBA last season. Tbh, no statistic is perfect.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Someone made another thread about Manu being the 3rd best SG in the NBA and of course a lot of Manu s bought into that . According to the Hollinger stats on ESPN, Manu was indeed the 4th best SG in the league last season behind Wade, Kobe, and Harden. Since the Manu s use the Hollinger PER stat to support their theory about their God Manu, I want to ask the Spurs homers another question.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of Spurs homers think that Tony Parker is the best PG in the NBA. Well according to Hollinger, Parker was the 3rd best PG in the NBA last season. Are you Spurs homers willing to admit that Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook are better than TP?

I myself don't have too much of a problem with Hollinger's PER stats because according to them, Tim Duncan was the best PF last season which I already knew of course and I don't need some statistician to confirm what my eyes see. Keep in mind that the PER stats don’t really take into account defense. According to the Hollinger PER stats, Carmelo Anthony and Brook Lopez are better than Tim Duncan.

So Manu s and Spurs homers, what is your opinion on this matter?


2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Point Guards

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Point Guards
RK	PLAYER	GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Chris Paul, LAC	70	33.4	.594	36.9	8.7	23.9	2.8	10.5	6.7	26.43	537.7	17.9
2	Russell Westbrook, OKC	82	34.9	.532	22.8	10.2	31.2	4.8	11.8	8.6	23.98	554.4	18.5
3	Tony Parker, SA	66	32.9	.588	27.6	9.4	26.6	1.0	9.1	5.3	23.10	392.7	13.1
4	Kyrie Irving, CLE	59	34.7	.553	20.1	11.0	29.2	1.8	10.8	6.1	21.51	321.3	10.7
5	Stephen Curry, GS	78	38.2	.589	23.5	10.5	25.3	2.3	9.1	5.8	21.34	460.2	15.3
6	John Wall, WSH	49	32.7	.521	26.7	11.2	28.7	2.4	11.2	6.8	20.91	236.9	7.9
7	Deron Williams, BKN	78	36.4	.574	28.6	10.3	24.9	1.2	8.5	4.8	20.38	397.8	13.3
8	Kemba Walker, CHA	82	34.9	.517	22.7	9.6	24.8	2.3	9.2	5.7	18.86	335.5	11.2
9	Jose Calderon, DET/TOR	73	29.6	.616	39.4	9.6	16.5	1.1	8.6	4.8	18.80	251.5	8.4
10	Mike Conley, MEM	80	34.5	.549	28.0	10.9	21.3	1.8	7.9	4.8	18.38	303.8	10.1

2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Power Forwards

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards
RK	PLAYER	GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Tim Duncan, SA	69	30.1	.554	12.8	10.2	24.8	7.3	29.6	19.1	24.45	401.7	13.4
2	Blake Griffin, LAC	80	32.5	.572	17.2	10.6	24.0	8.7	21.5	15.2	22.44	424.3	14.1
3	Amar'e Stoudemire, NY	29	23.5	.637	3.4	12.9	22.8	10.0	15.1	12.4	22.16	108.5	3.6
4	Anthony Davis, NO	64	28.8	.559	6.8	9.6	19.9	10.5	23.5	16.8	21.80	283.8	9.5
5	David West, IND	73	33.4	.545	14.0	10.3	23.0	6.8	18.8	12.9	20.15	314.2	10.5
6	Paul Millsap, UTAH	78	30.4	.550	14.7	10.1	21.1	8.6	18.8	13.7	19.89	297.4	9.9
7	Dirk Nowitzki, DAL	53	31.3	.564	13.0	6.9	21.9	2.5	21.5	12.2	19.88	207.6	6.9
8	J.J. Hickson, POR	80	29.0	.591	8.0	13.2	18.0	13.2	28.5	20.7	19.71	315.8	10.5
9	Serge Ibaka, OKC	80	31.1	.612	4.2	12.1	15.9	11.1	17.0	14.2	19.41	293.3	9.8
10	Kevin Garnett, BOS	68	29.7	.535	13.2	9.1	21.9	4.5	25.8	15.5	19.25	261.0	8.

2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - All Players

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Players
RK	PLAYER	GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	LeBron James, MIA	76	37.9	.640	23.3	9.6	28.2	4.4	20.8	13.1	31.67	909.0	30.3
2	Kevin Durant, OKC	81	38.5	.647	15.5	11.6	27.4	1.8	20.3	11.8	28.35	830.8	27.7
3	Chris Paul, LAC	70	33.4	.594	36.9	8.7	23.9	2.8	10.5	6.7	26.43	537.7	17.9
4	Carmelo Anthony, NY	67	37.0	.560	8.3	8.5	32.2	6.1	15.9	10.8	24.83	530.8	17.7
5	Brook Lopez, BKN	74	30.4	.567	4.8	8.9	26.1	10.8	16.1	13.4	24.81	477.8	15.9
6	Tim Duncan, SA	69	30.1	.554	12.8	10.2	24.8	7.3	29.6	19.1	24.45	401.7	13.4
7	Dwyane Wade, MIA	69	34.7	.571	19.3	10.6	27.0	4.7	12.6	8.9	24.04	483.1	16.1
8	Russell Westbrook, OKC	82	34.9	.532	22.8	10.2	31.2	4.8	11.8	8.6	23.98	554.4	18.5
9	Tony Parker, SA	66	32.9	.588	27.6	9.4	26.6	1.0	9.1	5.3	23.10	392.7	13.1
	Kobe Bryant, LAL	78	38.6	.570	17.9	10.9	30.0	2.5	13.1	7.9	23.10	566.4	18.9

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Well you're a hater .

[TE]

Well you're a hater .

You sure refuted him there. So much for being in a position to criticize others for not talking basketball tbh.

[Brunodf]

[Gibbz]

Never seen someone get as much love without winning anything close to a big game as Chris Paul.

[TheGreatYacht]

I personally thought that Tony Parker was the best point guard in the NBA until he had that injury.

I'm just pointing out these stats to illustrate how quick some Spurs fans approve of these stats when it comes to Manu. Manu s use these stats as proof that their God is a top 4 SG in the NBA.

However when it comes to TP, some Spurs fans are quick to disapprove of these stats. Just because these stats don't show Parker at #1, then the PER stats are wrong according to some Spurs fans.

The point of making this thread was to illustrate how PER doesn't tell it all. Even though the PER stats show Manu at #4, if Manu were to play as many minutes as Wade, Kobe, and Harden, we all know that Manu wouldn't be as effective and he would probably be an above-average SG in the NBA.