Homers vs. Haters

[TheGreatYacht]

Whatever the case with over or under signing players, and bringing in better or worse players, IMHO the Spurs don't get as far this year as they did last year. Too much is dependent on luck with injuries and the core is older now, slowing down a bit, while the rest of the league is getting younger and better. I think the same can be said for the other Western usual contenders like L. A., OKC, and the Mavs. It might be better to tank this year to get a higher draft pick.

Wow. This is the best comment that I've read from you. Is it possible that you finally removed those Spurs goggles? Whatever it is, props to you. Congrats.

[xmas1997]

Well, consider, the only two players available that IMHO would have been upgrades (AK47 & Odin) decided for whatever reasons to go somewhere else.
It is what it is.
I really don't see anyone else out there available who can make an impact.
Trade maybe? Yeah, they could do that, but I seriously doubt they could do one without weakening the team as it already is.
And I can't realistically see them getting as far as they did in 2013, in 2014 with an older more injury prone team unless they are extremely lucky, and even so, with a bunch of Western Conference teams improving as well as being younger, and with Miami having improved especially if Oden stays injury free and makes an impact, then the Spurs won't get very far, all they will do is position themselves for a worse draft pick in next years draft.
However, they weren't supposed to get as far as they did this year either, so I suppose anything is possible.
I don't usually call for tanking, but I've heard this is going to be a loaded draft, thus I could easily suffer through a bad season in order to get another really good player before TD and Manu retire because it is painfully obvious no really good young player who can make an immediate impact is coming here via free agency. They just aren't smart enough to realize the advantages of doing it.
I've suffered through many bad seasons with this team over the years, the Alvin Robertson years come to mind, so I can easily do it again if need be.

[purist]

I've still hot my spurs goggles on and I won't be taking them off as long as Peter holt remains majority owner and pop remains coach/GM (I realize rc has the GM le, but in reality pop pulls all the strings).

[TheGreatYacht]

Well, consider, the only two players available that IMHO would have been upgrades (AK47 & Odin) decided for whatever reasons to go somewhere else.
It is what it is.
I really don't see anyone else out there available who can make an impact.
Trade maybe? Yeah, they could do that, but I seriously doubt they could do one without weakening the team as it already is.
And I can't realistically see them getting as far as they did in 2013, in 2014 with an older more injury prone team unless they are extremely lucky, and even so, with a bunch of Western Conference teams improving as well as being younger, and with Miami having improved especially if Oden stays injury free and makes an impact, then the Spurs won't get very far, all they will do is position themselves for a worse draft pick in next years draft.
However, they weren't supposed to get as far as they did this year either, so I suppose anything is possible.
I don't usually call for tanking, but I've heard this is going to be a loaded draft, thus I could easily suffer through a bad season in order to get another really good player before TD and Manu retire because it is painfully obvious no really good young player who can make an immediate impact is coming here via free agency. They just aren't smart enough to realize the advantages of doing it.

Good points. This is how I've felt for the past six years. This is what I've been trying to convey this whole time but everyone keeps calling me a troll. I don't know if this realist at ude of yours is temporary or not but enjoy it while it lasts.

I'll be honest, last year's offseason I didn't expect the Spurs to get to reach the NBA Finals but as the season progressed and witnessed how Tim Duncan turned back the clock once again (even better than 2012-2013 cause his defense was outstanding) I realized that the Spurs were gonna have a good year. The stars were aligned for us when the Russell Westbrook injury happened, the Lakers somehow ended up in the 7th seed so that we can sweep them thus avoiding the Rockets, Manu's "breakfast shot" against GSW, and then we sweep Memphis with two close OT wins.

Spurs had that championship luck this year to win it all but Pop and Manu had to it all up by majority in Game 6.

[xmas1997]

About the only thing we seriously disagree on is your continual bashing of Pop and Manu rather than seeing any other mistakes that contributed to their loss, to the point of trying to ram it down our throats. We read it the first time and would have respected your opinion then, but after the hundredth time over and over again the same old thing, well, frankly it gets old, tiresome, redundant,and basically just trollish!
It doesn't really matter what your reasons were, over dramatic, passionate, what have you, the point is you had your opinion and stated it, and to do it over and over and over again and again and again (see my point?) in every single thread no matter what the subject matter was, got extremely irritating.
No offense was ever meant until you started with the BS unreasonable labeling and name calling, which btw further weakened your opinion IMHO. It came across as just ing and whining almost as bad as kobyz!

By the way, I expect to encounter a bit of bashing since I called for tanking. I've been on both sides of that issue over the years.

And your in your last sentence IMHO you should have just let it end before you added the "but . . . ." part, we've heard it a million times from you already, and you made your point the first time, it would have been more credible that way, a word to the wise.

[exstatic]

Well, consider, the only two players available that IMHO would have been upgrades (AK47 & Odin) decided for whatever reasons to go somewhere else.
It is what it is.
I really don't see anyone else out there available who can make an impact.
Trade maybe? Yeah, they could do that, but I seriously doubt they could do one without weakening the team as it already is.
And I can't realistically see them getting as far as they did in 2013, in 2014 with an older more injury prone team unless they are extremely lucky, and even so, with a bunch of Western Conference teams improving as well as being younger, and with Miami having improved especially if Oden stays injury free and makes an impact, then the Spurs won't get very far, all they will do is position themselves for a worse draft pick in next years draft.
However, they weren't supposed to get as far as they did this year either, so I suppose anything is possible.
I don't usually call for tanking, but I've heard this is going to be a loaded draft, thus I could easily suffer through a bad season in order to get another really good player before TD and Manu retire because it is painfully obvious no really good young player who can make an immediate impact is coming here via free agency. They just aren't smart enough to realize the advantages of doing it.
I've suffered through many bad seasons with this team over the years, the Alvin Robertson years come to mind, so I can easily do it again if need be.

You can stop RIGHT THERE. Of the Spurs 36 NBA seasons, they've made the playoffs 32 times. There aren't "many bad seasons" to be found in their NBA history.

[xmas1997]

You can stop RIGHT THERE. Of the Spurs 36 NBA seasons, they've made the playoffs 32 times. There aren't "many bad seasons" to be found in their NBA history.

What the ABA days, did you forget about that? I didn't, I followed them then just as fervently!

[Sean Cagney]

According to per 36 numbers, Ginobili is still at his peak, since his stats are pretty much equal to his career average. In fact, since he had more assists than his career average, he was actually above his ceiling as a passer. Fancy that.

Thats hardly why I ever look at that per stat to evaluate a player . I just go by the averages usually and shooting % etc.

[elemento]

My feeling is that there's a 3rd category here in ST right now. The Front-Office protectors.

There's always an excuse or and explanation to rationalize San Antonio's FO moves, even though it's more than clear that some of the moves sucked.

Overall there were more positive moves than negative moves, but I find it unbelievable that some posters try to give a "holy aura" to everything the FO has made, even though some of the moves were flat out bad.

[xmas1997]

Makes you wonder though, if the Spurs are considered to have one of the best, if not The best, FO in all of sports, then what does that say about the other FOs?

[Man In Black]

What the ABA days, did you forget about that? I didn't, I followed them then just as fervently!

Just to be honest...There aren't many bad seasons there either.

The Spurs started out life as the Dallas Chaparrals and in their entire existence in the ABA as either the Dallas Chaparrals, one season the played as the Texas Chaparrals, and finally, as the San Antonio Spurs...they've only missed the playoffs TWICE. So from 1967-1976 they played .500 or better every season except for 2. The lone season they played as the Texas Chaps and then 1 bad season in Dallas. That's it and that's all.

[xmas1997]

If that's the case, then how did they end up in the lottery so many times, they DRob, Sean at #3, and TD? They got Alvin Robertson one year too, but that was not a high pick if I am not mistaken.

[ChumpDumper]

If that's the case, then how did they end up in the lottery so many times, they DRob, Sean at #3, and TD? They got Alvin Robertson one year too, but that was not a high pick if I am not mistaken.

I count four non-playoff seasons in the NBA.

[xmas1997]

And I forget how they used to do it before the lottery.
Also I'm not sure what the ABA did either, but I do remember that The Spurs weren't in every playoff, especially during the Robertson years.

[Mel_13]

And I forget how they used to do it before the lottery.
Also I'm not sure what the ABA did either, but I do remember that The Spurs weren't in every playoff, especially during the Robertson years.

fyi

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/

[xmas1997]

fyi

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/

Thanks, that really helped. So they missed 6 playoff appearances. That is pretty good actually.

[Mel_13]

Thanks, that really helped. So they missed 6 playoff appearances. That is pretty good actually.

Actually just 5 out of 46. They get 47 total seasons by counting 2013-14.

[xmas1997]

Actually just 5 out of 46. They get 47 total seasons by counting 2013-14.

Ok, then it is five. I can name 4 major draft choices in Robertson, Robinson, Elliott, and Duncan. Who was he 5th, or did they trade it away?

[Mel_13]

Ok, then it is five. I can name 4 major draft choices in Robertson, Robinson, Elliott, and Duncan. Who was he 5th, or did they trade it away?

Those 4 are their only NBA lottery picks. (Actually, Robertson was picked in the last draft before the lottery started in 1985)

The 5th was in 1973 in the ABA.

http://www.databasebasketball.com/dr...m?yr=1973&lg=A

[spurraider21]

Anybody calling for us to tank is losing it. We are entering the final 2 seasons (probably) of Tim Duncan's career and you want to waste one of those tanking after our team was oh so close from winning a year ago? Lame idea. Okc is weaker. The only teams that have gotten better are Houston and golden state out west. We can still beat those guys in a 7 game series imo

[xmas1997]

Can't figure out what they did in 1973, no one of significance that I can see. Somehow we eventually ended up with Larry Kenon, but didn't draft him that year. I notice Allan Bristow, Mike D'Antoni, ML Carr, George Karl, and Caldwell Jones, but the ABA was competing with the NBA and some players went to one league and others to the other league.

[xmas1997]

Anybody calling for us to tank is losing it. We are entering the final 2 seasons (probably) of Tim Duncan's career and you want to waste one of those tanking after our team was oh so close from winning a year ago? Lame idea. Okc is weaker. The only teams that have gotten better are Houston and golden state out west. We can still beat those guys in a 7 game series imo

Don't really blame you for bashing me for calling for tanking, like I said, I've been on both sides of that issue before, but the logic being in order to get a really really good player to go with TD in his last year, if indeed it is his last year.

[ChumpDumper]

Tanking?

spurfan is hilarious.

[RD2191]

Who the said we should tank? LOL

[spurraider21]

Don't really blame you for bashing me for calling for tanking, like I said, I've been on both sides of that issue before, but the logic being in order to get a really really good player to go with TD in his last year, if indeed it is his last year.

So if Tim has 2 years left we should waste one of them as he gets another year older with the hopes that we do worse than the bobcats and suns so we can get lucky enough to land a top 2 pick and hope that in their rookie seasons they can be an integral championship piece?

Heh