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  1. #76
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    No proof.

    The tape shown to ESPN heard Manziel say "you never did a signing with me"

    Why say that if you are not in a scenario that you should not be in. Besides the tapes the broker would could not "sell" to ESPN was probably because Manziel's oil money had a higher offer.
    Doesn't matter what he said. No evidence of actual money being exchanged.

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    When does TMZ get their hands on that video?
    They might try. I find it weird that a broker would come out and show a tape but wont help the NCAA. Not sure what the motivation is there.

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    Aggy, are you guys ing this up? You're in the SEC. Cheating shouldn't be this hard. Get it together guys.

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    he probably did. but it has to be proven he did. there has to be a paper trail. not hearsay but actual evidence. if provided, manziel will be suspended. for the school to receive any punishment, it would have to be shown the school sat on evidence and failed to disclose it to the NCAA. usually, it's the players that get shafted in these cases (terrell pryor, aj green).

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    Aggy, are you guys ing this up? You're in the SEC. Cheating shouldn't be this hard. Get it together guys.
    the SEC is good because they cheat

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    Doesn't matter what he said. No evidence of actual money being exchanged.
    It does matter Aggy. Where there is smoke their is fire.


    They might try. I find it weird that a broker would come out and show a tape but wont help the NCAA. Not sure what the motivation is there.
    Are you serious? You are talking about creepy brokers that hang out in hotel rooms and carry around trash bags full of gear hoping for this exact scenario. There is zero incentive to help the NCAA because if he helps the NCAA there will likely be a record of how much $$ he really made and I think Uncle Sam might be interested in what creepy broker guy really reports.

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    the SEC is good because they cheat
    2012: "The sips are soooo obsessed with us!"

    2013: "Autographgate is nothing but a sip conspiracy!"

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    Holy cow, Aggie fan loves them some Johnny Football. This is crazy. I can see them pacing back and forth in their livingrooms just repeating "no proof" over and over.

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    They might try. I find it weird that a broker would come out and show a tape but wont help the NCAA. Not sure what the motivation is there.

    Simple -he wants to sell the story/tape and the NCAA isn't going to pay him.

    And you're totally right on your posts. The NCAA won't be able to prove he took money unless he was foolish enough to take check or unless broker's share info with NCAA (both very unlikely). So no matter how obvious it may appear that he sold autographs, it is irrelevant as NCAA needs 100% surefire evidence.

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    So what. He signed for cash. happens everyday in College Sports. He's just young and stupid enough to let it trace back to him.

    Like it's been said though, until they have definite proof of an exchange of money, their hands are tied.

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    It does matter Aggy. Where there is smoke their is fire.
    No, it does not. Until some solid evidence comes out that he took cash it does not mean anything. Have you not noticed how poorly the NCAA handles these situations?


    Holy cow, Aggie fan loves them some Johnny Football. This is crazy. I can see them pacing back and forth in their livingrooms just repeating "no proof" over and over.
    It's the truth. Without very solid evidence that money was exchanged Johnny will be the starting QB. Once again, have you not noticed how poorly the NCAA handles their investigations?

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    I am not disagreeing about the suck that is the NCAA, but merely commenting on the ferocity in which Aggie fan will defend Johnny and come up with wild stuff.

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    I am not disagreeing about the suck that is the NCAA, but merely commenting on the ferocity in which Aggie fan will defend Johnny and come up with wild stuff.
    I've been away. Has the Burnt Orange Media Conspiracy come into play yet?

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    http://www.shopncaasports.com/NCAASp...Shirt_-_Maroon

    Gotta love the NCAA. Putting "Football" on a #2 Jersey. "Only we should be able to profit from your name, not you!"

    Dem's the rules. It's not like they are unknown.

    And doesn't A&M get a cut of that?

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    I am not disagreeing about the suck that is the NCAA, but merely commenting on the ferocity in which Aggie fan will defend Johnny and come up with wild stuff.
    It's not defending it's just a fact. It sure as seems like he did get paid for autographs. And he's a downright idiot for having his HS dropout friend be his "manager". But I don't give a about any of that as long as he wins games, tbh.

    In case anyone forgot about the NCAA's inep ude:


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    I don't think any Aggie is disagreeing with Manziel committing a stupid act that put himself and his team in jeopardy. All signs point to him taking money for signatures. Were just saying that this is still nothing but conjecture and cir stantial evidence. Show us the definite proof and by all means suspend him.

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    Dem's the rules. It's not like they are unknown.

    And doesn't A&M get a cut of that?
    And those rules are absurd. But that's a different thread. Yes, A&M does. Not a fan of that either.

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    And you're totally right on your posts. The NCAA won't be able to prove he took money unless he was foolish enough to take check or unless broker's share info with NCAA (both very unlikely). So no matter how obvious it may appear that he sold autographs, it is irrelevant as NCAA needs 100% surefire evidence.
    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong because the NCAA is so backwards. I believe the NCAA can suspend Manziel during an investigation should they decide to do so and if the evidence continues to pile up. It may not come down to A&M having to decide to play him or not for fear of forfeiting future victories. And another issue is Manziel can't plead ignorance like Auburn and Newton did blaming a third party. So, for example, if someone got the goods on Uncle Nate accepting cash for Manziel memorabilia, that would be enough to take away eligibility.

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    And those rules are absurd. But that's a different thread. Yes, A&M does. Not a fan of that either.
    Why?

    It's another $3-4 million a year for Aggie.

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    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong because the NCAA is so backwards. I believe the NCAA can suspend Manziel during an investigation should they decide to do so and if the evidence continues to pile up. It may not come down to A&M having to decide to play him or not for fear of forfeiting future victories. And another issue is Manziel can't plead ignorance like Auburn and Newton did blaming a third party. So, for example, if someone got the goods on Uncle Nate accepting cash for Manziel memorabilia, that would be enough to take away eligibility.
    Yep

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    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong because the NCAA is so backwards. I believe the NCAA can suspend Manziel during an investigation should they decide to do so and if the evidence continues to pile up. It may not come down to A&M having to decide to play him or not for fear of forfeiting future victories. And another issue is Manziel can't plead ignorance like Auburn and Newton did blaming a third party. So, for example, if someone got the goods on Uncle Nate accepting cash for Manziel memorabilia, that would be enough to take away eligibility.
    So they're going to start taking the word of a bunch of low life collector dealers, some of whom won't even cooperate with them? Just seems like a bad road to go down for the NCAA

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    Why?

    It's another $3-4 million a year for Aggie.
    Because some of it should go to the player responsible for that revenue.

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    Because some of it should go to the player responsible for that revenue.
    Then they wouldn't be "amateurs."

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    Then they wouldn't be "amateurs."


    And those rules are absurd. But that's a different thread.
    But I do have to post this. Jay Bilas lighting up the NCAA on twitter. Look at all the images he has posted. NCAA has since disabled the search function on their site:

    https://twitter.com/JayBilas
    Last edited by Sisk; 08-06-2013 at 03:37 PM.

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    So they're going to start taking the word of a bunch of low life collector dealers, some of whom won't even cooperate with them? Just seems like a bad road to go down for the NCAA
    I wish I could find a ruling on that because I may be making up, but just wanted to point out it may not take 100% proof to keep Manziel off of the field. They could simply suspend him if he meets with compliance officials down the road and they feel he's providing false information or isn't being completely truthful a la Dez Bryant at Oklahoma State in 2009. Manzie is sidelined and the investigation goes on from there.

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