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  1. #126
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    I just said I felt otherwise. His draft spot is about his abilities, not his antics off field (again, this is just my opinion). The reason he is where he is on draft boards at the moment is because of questions about his abilities. People have seen what he can do and sitting out a year while making a lot of money and not risking injury probably isn't a terrible thing for his draft stock. I think that is pretty firmly cemented at this point(wherever teams have him)
    I'm not so sure about that myself. I can imagine several teams' wanting to see much more of him before deciding what pick to use on him.

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    Perhaps you are correct. But, in the event a team already is pretty high on him (which in his case from what I have seen, it takes just one team to really like his abilities), this won't hurt. There may be a few fringe teams vying for his services, but I imagine teams are either really high on him or don't believe in him. While there might be a few fringe teams, I have my doubts on the impact since the team(s) that are already high on him, know what they like from him.

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    Plus that is what camps are for. They workout prospects and you can improve your stock there if need be.

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    If a broker came to the NCAA and signed a statement that saying they paid Johnny for autographs, the NCAA would probably act on that--Johnny could deny it, but if they had any other credible evidence supporting the claim, they would probably go with a mere preponderance pointing toward a violation. But, without a statement from a person involved, they are going to want some pretty high quality cir stantial evidence before taking any action, and it doesn't appear that they have any such evidence at this point in time (they don't have the most recently release videos, and probably never will since they were illegally recorded without Manziel's consent).
    Were is the confirmation he gave no consent?

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    Perhaps you are correct. But, in the event a team already is pretty high on him (which in his case from what I have seen, it takes just one team to really like his abilities), this won't hurt. There may be a few fringe teams vying for his services, but I imagine teams are either really high on him or don't believe in him. While there might be a few fringe teams, I have my doubts on the impact since the team(s) that are already high on him, know what they like from him.
    conversely, if only one team really wanted to take him very high and changed its mind after all this....

    Plus that is what camps are for. They workout prospects and you can improve your stock there if need be.
    Not the same.

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    Well, we will see how it plays out.

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    More evidence...


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    Were is the confirmation he gave no consent?

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...aphing-helmets
    The broker said the videos, approximately nine minutes in length in total, were initially shot only to be used as proof with authenticating company PSA/DNA.

    On the videos, which the broker said were recorded without Manziel's knowledge,

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    More evidence...


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    Well, I guess I'd have to see the video. Seems weird that one wouldn't realize a phone is taking video for nine minutes in a hotel room, but he could have plausible stupidity.

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    More evidence...



    I believe Johnny does some bad things, but not real bad (bad as in stupid. I don't think drinking or smoking is really bad or making money off or your abilities). But the one thing that would really make me question him as a human, the one red flag that shows his decision making is truly poor, is his constant hyping of Drake.

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    More evidence...

    Alright, that made me laugh. Well done.

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    He's toast. He'll never play another down for A&M.

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    when jerry tarkanian and UNLV were hit with sanctions, the violation that the NCAA found most egregious was failure to cooperate with an ongoing investigation. that in of itself speaks volumes as to why a&m immediately hired a law firm. when tark sued both UNLV and the NCAA he did so under the claim that both had violated his right to due process. the supreme court eventually ruled that they had not because the latter did not operate as a "state". the supreme court basically stated that the NCAA, because it is not a state actor, can impose sanctions against its actors (including coaches and athletes) without the availability of the due process guarantee. that ruling (NCAA v tarkanian) did not promise complete immunity from being deemed a state actor and left open the option for reconsideration on a case by case basis. in the tarkanian case, it was UNLV that was deemed the state actor because they had granted the authority to the NCAA to engage in its investigation. also, it was UNLV itself that imposed the suspension of tark the shark, not the NCAA (even if UNLV imposed the suspension under a veiled threat from the NCAA). there has since been some states that have created legislation to prevent monopolies from avoiding due process and this did result in some new regulations that the NCAA adopted. one such regulation is that the NCAA must serve notice of a hearing to a university, coach or athlete and this notice must include the facts underlying the allegations. the former is the meat of article 32, which was not adhered to by the NCAA in its case against penn state and the joe pa/ jerry short eyes scandal. the law firm of lightfoot, franklin and white does have gene marsh who once served on the infractions committee as part of their firm so they will, i'm sure make sure that the NCAA properly serves notice and relays their facts. and it is the facts that essentially represent the biggest hurdle for the NCAA as they possess absolutely no subpoena power.

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    Also, he has so much money.
    A lot of people aren't buying because he comes from money. When has that ever stopped somebody from acquiring MORE money? Plus, he's obviously of room temperature IQ...

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    More evidence...

    The smoking gun. YOLO!

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    Sumlin about to do a live press conference on ESPN.

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    Supposedly they ran practice longer than usual today to get more reps for the backup QB's.... ball = fcked

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    Sumlin looks visibly afraid and shook

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    Sumlin looks visibly afraid and shook

    You're trying too hard.

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    @BFeldmanCBS: More NCAA biz> RT @bustedcoverage: Manziel autograph dealer also selling 19 signed Jadeveon Clowney items. http://t.co/bHH1eozpLn






    Suspend Clowney too!!!!!!!!!!! The two best NCAA football players, suspend them!

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    Update: SB Nation is reporting that PSA has records of 258 consecutively signed Clowney items in its database.
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    What if this isn't just Johnny Manziel? http://bit.ly/15LD64r Are we and NCAA fully prepared to truly deal honestly with this?
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    Welp. Lets add Teddy Bridgewater to the list as well. Make that the three best NCAA players. Suspend these cheaters!

    Update: Teddy Bridgewater is a nice guy, too (via @AggieZach10). Who wants non-personalized items?
    http://stores.ebay.com/The-Hub-Collectibles/_i.html_nkw=bridgewater&submit=Search&_sid=2398979

    Where's Joe Schad now? Why doesn't ESPN care about this? Lol ESPN so obsessed with A&M and Manziel.

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    Welp. Lets add Teddy Bridgewater to the list as well. Make that the three best NCAA players. Suspend these cheaters!



    http://stores.ebay.com/The-Hub-Collectibles/_i.html_nkw=bridgewater&submit=Search&_sid=2398979

    Where's Joe Schad now? Why doesn't ESPN care about this? Lol ESPN so obsessed with A&M and Manziel.
    at the end of the day, them's the rules right now. I can't believe any of these sippers did this after what happened to Pryor. Just ing abysmally stupid.

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    darren rovell ✔ darrenrovell

    Amazing to see that PSA/DNA, one of the top autograph authenticators, authenticated 999 Manziel autographs in a row.

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