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Waiting for a shirt with a silhouette of Kawhi's face on the front of the shirt and on the back it says "don't shrink under pressure"
I'm afraid I forgot the only thing that matters in here is TURNOVERS. Magic Johnson where are you? Jason Kidd where are you? They all suck because they had more turnovers per game than Manu. Btw Manu has more points per game than Kawhi in the playoffs.
Waiting for a shirt with a silhouette of Kawhi's face on the front of the shirt and on the back it says "don't shrink under pressure"
Yeah, for the other team, particularly the Heat!
Manu had a couple high scoring games that skewed his averages.
Meanwhile, Leonard was locking down scorers, gobbling rebounds, tipping balls back to teammates for second chance baskets, scoring with great dunks and timely threes, making momentum saving steals, and overall being a beast...
Ginobili simply played like garbage, gave the ball away, threw off target passes, jacked up horrible shots that missed, and got blown by on defense.
To suggest Ginobili was better than Leonard in the playoffs is a huge joke.
Public school education I see.
Leonard vs Ginobili 2013 Playoffs:
Points - Leonard 284 - 242
Rebounds - Leonard 190 - 78
Turnovers - Leonard 23 - 55
FG Pct - Leonard 54.5 - 39.9
3PT Pct - Leonard 39.0 - 30.2
Steals - Leonard 37 - 24
Fouls - Leonard 40 - 55
Blocks Leonard 11 - 6
Games in Double Figures - Leonard 18 - 11
Basically, Leonard did way more to help and way less to damage by nearly every measure than Manu. Considering the only areas Manu did better (free throws and assists) were not favorable on a cost:benefit analysis the evidence is incontrovertible. Leonard is part of the Big Three. Manu is not.
Last edited by Skull-1; 08-08-2013 at 12:38 PM.
Leonard makes very few errors for such a young player. Love to see his composure - just keeps playing his hardest no matter what came before. Leonard need to be more involved offensively and Manu needs to take a back seat.
Part of it is that he doesn't get the attention that guys like TD/TP/Manu does... I'm in agreement his offensive role should be expanded. Hopefully he can still be as effective when he has a bullseye on his back. Manu's role and offensive play will remain the same as the last few seasons, heavily tilted to being a playmaker more than a finisher. I don't think that will affect whatever Pop wants to do with Kawhi on offense, though.
PPG as the only stats you look at when judging how good one player is
I don't take any of your guys Manu hate seriously. You are tools. After Tim had a rough 2011 season you all wanted him to retire, said he was done, and literally ed when he was resigned. It's really really sad to see that we don't even stick with our players through thick and thin, only through the good. When Manu was destroying teams in his prime, it was all great, he was loved. The first time Manu actually declines and struggles everyone is at his throat. SAD. But hey, you did it to Tim Duncan as well, so obviously Manu is going to get even more hate.
I've been thinking the same thing. Who's to say Manu can't have a throwback season like Timmy just had...
On my part, it's not hate but a little bit of anger and for the record, his play in the Finals wasn't even the main cause. It was what transpired in the offseason regarding his contract renewal.
I agree, but this is typical of the "bandwagon" type of fan, and the Spurs have a lot of those as shown this off season!
Which is equally as silly, since none of us really know what transpired.
Re-signed. And I never ed once. Tim Duncan is way more valuable to the Spurs than Manu. It isn't even a comparison to be made with any seriousness.
Also, Manu has been struggling for years. The difference this time is he was supposedly healthy for once and wound up playing worse than ever.
Agreed. Not to mention the Spurs will certainly give the benefit for the doubt to a guy that's only two seasons apart from an All Star appearance.
EDIT: You're asking frontrunners to have memory, though
Last edited by ElNono; 08-08-2013 at 02:43 PM.
Agreed. Not to mention the Spurs will certainly give the benefit for the doubt to a guy that's only two seasons apart from an All Star appearance.
EDIT: You're asking frontrunners to have memory, though
I love Manu and yes, thanks for the memories. Thanks for your big games, your efforts, your love for the Spurs, they were really appreciated.
But certainly Manu's 8 turnovers were more costly than Kawhi's one missed free throw (and Manu missed FT late in the game as well tbh)
That being said, look at the overall play of Kawhi points, rebounds in the finals...and who the would accept the challenge of guarding LeBron? Manu?
If Kawhi hadn't been slowing LBJ down as he had been, we wouldn't have been in a position to win our five ring.
Leonard's our future. Kawhi has proved he deserves our confidence in him.
That's legit right there.
Love Kawhi, he looks great, and we all hope he keeps improving. For all the hate the FO gets these days, there's an example of great talent evaluation.
Manu certainly didn't have a good season overall too by his own standards. He was coming off being an All Star in 2010-2011, and having his best career shooting season in 2011-2012 (52%/41%, albeit somewhat of a small sample). This is the very first time in his entire career that he doesn't up his scoring in the playoffs from the regular season. His shot was certainly off. It's not the first time it happened to a Spurs player (as ThaBigFundamental21 was pointing out), but just like then, the Spurs are not a team to knee jerk over that stuff. They know they can't easily replace what Manu does for this team (RC words, not mine), and even on limited minutes he's still one of the top producers for this team. They obviously value the fact that he still commands attention from other teams, which is a luxury for a team full of role players.
The Spurs know both Kawhi and Manu are very useful in the different roles they play and they're going to need both playing at a high level to be the best team they can be. They're both going to be here for the next two seasons, so the whole hating stuff is a waste of time. I'm going to sit back, enjoy, and hope they both do well, because if they do, the team is going to do well too.
Is there any computer expert in Spurs talk that can design this? A cool TD, TP and KL design with maybe SpursTalk 2014 underneath. The way I read the t-shirt sight, you just have to design it, set up a 'campaign' and when they reach it's goal the shirts are sold. It doesn't have to be from this sight but I think that would be a cool thing to own.
You can't expect the tools in here to look at the big picture this objectively. Taking an extreme (uninformed) position is becoming the MO around these parts unfortunately...
It's the off season and I'm told that happens here every year in the off season.
Everyone is wrong. Not to worry, I am right. Follow me.
I'm thinking about screen printing it on t shirts or just posting the vector file online for anyone to download if they want
Well....either way, it looks great, bro.
It is awesome I ordered one myself, if you are tech savy is there any way you could do one with TP, Timmy and Kawai, not about hating on Manu at all I would just love a shirt with KL TP and TD on it.
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