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    Only alternative is spending a lot more money and taking a lot more time shopping for groceries to ensure you're buying organic which I basically do every Sunday. The GMO stuff was my final straw once I read up on it tbh.

    yeah but it gets messier once u find out all the ingredients and components in certain things contain genetically modified foods in them, like for instance cottonseed oil or anything with corn etc. they make it to where its hard to truly avoid it, and then there's the dilemma of that whole work thing and not being able to cook 3 organic meals per day while youre at work plus snacks in between. and then money is another contsraint, it's really really hard to avoid.

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    yeah but it gets messier once u find out all the ingredients and components in certain things contain genetically modified foods in them, like for instance cottonseed oil or anything with corn etc. they make it to where its hard to truly avoid it, and then there's the dilemma of that whole work thing and not being able to cook 3 organic meals per day while youre at work plus snacks in between. and then money is another contsraint, it's really really hard to avoid.
    Yup pretty much. That's why I spend all day Sunday buying food and preparing it for the week. The best solution to the cooking 3 organic meals per day problem is cooking in bulk at the beginning of the week.

    It's still a pain in the ass though. I used to cook a bunch with olive oil till I figured out olive oil is basically a sure thing to have genetically modified ingredients

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    Yup pretty much. That's why I spend all day Sunday buying food and preparing it for the week. The best solution to the cooking 3 organic meals per day problem is cooking in bulk at the beginning of the week.

    It's still a pain in the ass though. I used to cook a bunch with olive oil till I figured out olive oil is basically a sure thing to have genetically modified ingredients
    tried mct oil? fairly tasteless and great if you cook under 325 degrees

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    tried mct oil? fairly tasteless and great if you cook under 325 degrees
    I get organic olive oil now, unfortunately it's expensive as

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    Why wouldn't you? That's the only rate that matters. Only an intellectually dishonest jackass, or an idiot, would focus on nominal rates. Especially when you can use effective rates and still make your point.
    Because I didn't.

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    Because I didn't.
    Because you're not only an intellectually dishonest jackass, but you're also an idiot.
    Last edited by Th'Pusher; 08-10-2013 at 04:06 PM.

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    Because you're not only an intellectually dishonest jackass, but you're also an idiot.
    If you want to see an idiot look in the mirror.

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    If you want to see an idiot look in the mirror.
    . Add some value you piece of garbage.

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    Why wouldn't you? That's the only rate that matters. Only an intellectually dishonest jackass, or an idiot, would focus on nominal rates. Especially when you can use effective rates and still make your point.
    I gotta disagree a little bit here. Though effective rates are the "bottom-line", the higher the nominal rate the higher the "tax avoidance" costs are to the corporations and costs to our government in loss "revenue". I used the term revenue for understanding but not because I believe in such a concept at the federal level.

    As far as the right level, I think we would need to agree on what we're trying to accomplish by taxing corporations. Some believe in the "revenue" theory, so taxes are used to pay our bills, while some like me believe taxes regulate the growth of the economy.

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    I gotta disagree a little bit here. Though effective rates are the "bottom-line", the higher the nominal rate the higher the "tax avoidance" costs are to the corporations and costs to our government in loss "revenue". I used the term revenue for understanding but not because I believe in such a concept at the federal level.

    As far as the right level, I think we would need to agree on what we're trying to accomplish by taxing corporations. Some believe in the "revenue" theory, so taxes are used to pay our bills, while some like me believe taxes regulate the growth of the economy.
    Not that it's realistic but you could probably talk me into no corporate taxes at all. What is the benefit of taxing the corporation? Tax the individual that profit from the corporation.

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    And what were your thoughts on the recent farm bill that passed the house?
    Id like to eliminate as much as possible. The only thing thats of value to me is the crop insurance. All farm subsidies get passed along as land costs. $15/acre in payments just equal $15/ rent. All in all i dont really follow much of the farm bill voteing until its finalized as it usually means nothing until then. I applaud the splitting of the food program as most people think its all handouts to farmers. Id like to see the farm program end completely. There are too much restrictions as to what can or cannot be done. The biggest benefit is not a subsidy but the renewable fuel mandate. I think its rediculous that we allow the oil companies to buy there way out of using ethanol though.

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    Why do farmers need subsidies? Are yall too stupid to provide for yourselves without gubbamint help?

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    Not that it's realistic but you could probably talk me into no corporate taxes at all. What is the benefit of taxing the corporation? Tax the individual that profit from the corporation.


    I think it was Romney that got a little heat for saying "Corporations are people, too." I think people seem to hear corporation and think IBM, Microsoft, Monsanto, etc..

    I'm in my early thirties, wife is 28. We are a corporation. Just us two individuals. We still are paying her student loans and a mortgage on our $56k house. I drive a rusty '99 Dodge Ram. Pretty meager lifestyle. I had a great year last year. Banner year. I bought some expensive property then. Fast forward to tax season. We hire a smaller company to do our taxes, they specialize in corporate farms. I ended up paying $55k in federal taxes. OK, i had a great year, that's fine. Fast forward to my corporate taxes, I'm ashamed at what they are trying to say I owe. Its more than I made all year. Early planting last year, late this year meant my inputs did not get applied in my corporate year. There are some things i might be able to do but i don't know yet. The things that made me jaded about it this year though are that federal income taxes are not deductible the following year. Savers are punished, spenders are rewarded. Bare property is not deductible. Put a crappy building on it and depreciate it alot. You're better off to spend money on crap you don't need in order to expense/depreciate than you are to scrape by. The tax code is f-d. Fair share? Why should i pay more because every saturday i treat like a weekday and most sundays also? I bust my butt and stay up at night worrying about things for what? So i can "pay my fair share"? Flat tax or national sales tax is very interesting to me. It would probably eliminate alot of irs jobs. But people like boutons seem to think that a private job is the same as a govt job when dealing with job growth, so thats probably out of the picture. Its very tempting to take a $50k job for both the wife and I and take all risk and worry out of the picture. We could actually enroll our sons in Tball and things like that instead of working late. Its BS when we have to make sure to send in child support for our employee. Where did personal responsibility go?

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    Why do farmers need subsidies? Are yall too stupid to provide for yourselves without gubbamint help?

    Id like to see the farm program end completely.

    Read much lately?

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    Id like to see the farm program end completely.

    Read much lately?
    You say that but what you'd supposedly like to see didn't stop you from taking gubbamint handouts.

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    my biggest regret on a daily basis is having to eat that crap because i don't truly have any alternative. the assholes making that stuff ought to serve prison time tbh s banned in most european countries.
    Deer and geese eat GMO soybeans and corn extensively. They surely aren't suffering.

    I have a few neighbors that raise non GMO soybeans. Funny how the GMO ones go in the same bin as the non GMO ones.

    They don't know what they are eating though i've been told. #shrugs

    Me, i could care less. I'll grow dandelions if thats whats's legal and profitable. I don't think the current GMO varieties are a problem, of more concern is the over-processed foods. I think there should be as much of an outrage over twinkies.

    Usually the same people think that Round up is the problem when its harmless because it has no residual effect.


    Its funny that you compare the farm here to Europe. I've read they are pretty big on subsidies over there.

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    You say that but what you'd supposedly like to see didn't stop you from taking gubbamint handouts.
    Try competing with a compe or that has an financial advantage that you won't accept and see how many months until your'e out of business.


    What do you do?

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    Try competing with a compe or that has an financial advantage that you won't accept and see how many months until your'e out of business.


    What do you do?
    I'd pull myself up by my bootstraps like a true 'Murican capitalist.

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    Back to the topic that had my interest in the first place.

    What do the people that feel the collapse of the dollar is not coming think happens when you print while continuing to go in debt farther every year will happen?


    "That's as good as money, sir. Those are I.O.U.'s. Go ahead and add it up, every cent's accounted for. Look, see this? That's a car. 275 thou. Might wanna hang onto that one."

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    I'd pull myself up by my bootstraps like a true 'Murican capitalist.
    No, What do you do for a living? Not theoretically, I mean physically.

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    My solution to it is: cooking everything by myself, and not cooking no meat at all. I'd always prefer the food made by myself to any ready-made food served in a restaurant or sold in a grocer, and it's also a good tip on living a frugal life imho

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    My solution to it is: cooking everything by myself, and not cooking no meat at all. I'd always prefer the food made by myself to any ready-made food served in a restaurant or sold in a grocer, and it's also a good tip on living a frugal life imho
    Trying to lose a few pounds and i agree from a health standpoint about trying to avoid meat in general, free range or GMO. Its amazing how cheap one can eat when they dont overindulge.

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    No, What do you do for a living? Not theoretically, I mean physically.
    I'm a financial analyst for a large bank. Entry level so I only make 60k a year but I live in Texas so that's more than enough to get me by.

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    60k a year doesn't sound too bad for a recent graduate in this economy imho. I know some people who've been working for 5+ years and still only earning 1.5k to 2k a month, which's downright derisory in America I think.

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    60k a year doesn't sound too bad for a recent graduate in this economy imho. I know some people who've been working for 5+ years and still only earning 1.5k to 2k a month, which's downright derisory in America I think.
    The median wage in America isn't a whole lot more than 2k a month which is sad given how rich America is as a country.

    And yes, I have absolutely no complaints about 60k a year.

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