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    I'm gonna go on a limb, and actually predict Christie will win the nomination if he decides to run... basically, the thinking goes like this:

    Establishment republican: check
    Fairly popular: check
    Neocon: check
    Conservative but not fringe: check
    Hasn't dissed the jeebo base: check
    Bully: check

    I think he's actually the more "presidential" candidate the GOP can have right now. Dems will probably take potshots at "fat" and questionable economic numbers in NJ. But that's about all the weak links.

    On the other hand, it's too easy to scare off voters with the "fringe" stuff from Paul/Bachman/Santorum, etc. You know the party will back a establishment guy over a tea potty. He also gets the Neocon support. He didn't burn bridges with the jeebo s (still standing firm on vetoing gay marriage, plus if they could align behind a mormon, anything goes, tbh). He has shown he's willing to work with Dems on delicate situations. Above all, he's shown he can raise above the partisan bull (big plus to fetch independents, which you need to win an election).

    The only question is if he's going to run. IIRC, he's running for re-election as governor right now.
    Christie can't win. He is very unpopular with the GOP base. His role is to try to win NH from Rand Paul.

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    Keep talking to yourself, while reality slides by.
    Are you willing to put money down on Rand Paul getting elected?

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    Are you willing to put money down on Rand Paul getting elected?
    NOYB!

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    i think it's well known that paul supporters are the only ones who vote in polls
    All 300 of them!

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    Christie will be installed as nominee whether voters want him or not, just like Willard was, tbh.... the GOP is all about the backroom deals and the good ol' boy network....

    Christie's the safe neocon who won't cut spending, won't restore sound money, won't rein in our out-of-control foreign policy, etc.... nobody else stands a chance, tbh....

    That being said, he'll lose to Hillary in the general election.... I don't see the GOP winning another presidential election until they finally abandon the neocon platform, make an effort to attract young voters, and nominate a libertarian (an actual one, not a Tea Party neocon calling themselves one) who's in touch with modern society....
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    Christie certainly "looks presidential"



    literally a Wall St FAT cat.

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    Holder’s move on mandatory minimums a boon to Rand Paul

    Reforming mandatory minimums is an issue that Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been pushing (no pun intended) for a while now — including during an appearance at historically black Howard University earlier this year.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...88381481237582

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    here's candidate Christie and his VEEP with "a bucket of warm spit"


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    Holder’s move on mandatory minimums a boon to Rand Paul

    Reforming mandatory minimums is an issue that Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been pushing (no pun intended) for a while now — including during an appearance at historically black Howard University earlier this year.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...88381481237582
    the difference is Holder has an office that can do something, and RP is little whining in the backwoods of KY

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    wtf?

    Definitely a Palin quote...
    Holder’s move on mandatory minimums a boon to Rand Paul

    Reforming mandatory minimums is an issue that Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been pushing (no pun intended) for a while now — including during an appearance at historically black Howard University earlier this year.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...88381481237582

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    the difference is Holder has an office that can do something, and RP is little whining in the backwoods of KY
    Wrong, Holder is NOT a senator and cannot vote. Rand is a prominent senator who can move mountains.

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    Wrong, Holder is NOT a senator and cannot vote. Rand is a prominent senator who can move mountains.
    prominent!

    he's got one vote. I suppose he has the KY vote from the backwoods meth and oxycontin abusers

    federal sentencing guidelines come from the United States Sentencing Commission, not from a Senate vote

    "The United States Sentencing Commission is an independent agency of the judicial branch of the federal government of the United States.["

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ing_Commission

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    Christie can't win.
    okay

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    none of my business? In large font? Why? Are you really betting against Paul like me?

    You're weird.

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    Paul exists as an apparition only. The moment he emerges into the political arena, he disappears in a puff of logic.

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    Krugman trashing RP for his libertarian bull and inconsistencies. Does RP even know Friedman is dead?

    Milton Friedman, Unperson

    Recently Senator Rand Paul, potential presidential candidate and self-proclaimed expert on monetary issues, sat down for an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek. It didn’t go too well. For example, Mr. Paul talked about America running “a trillion-dollar deficit every year”; actually, the deficit is projected to be only $642 billion in 2013, and it’s falling fast.

    But the most interesting moment may have been when Mr. Paul was asked whom he would choose, ideally, to head the Federal Reserve and he suggested Milton Friedman — “he’s not an Austrian, but he would be better than what we have.”

    The interviewer then gently informed him that Friedman — who would have been 101 years old if he were still alive — is, in fact, dead. O.K., said Mr. Paul, “Let’s just go with dead, because then you probably really wouldn’t have much of a functioning Federal Reserve.”


    Which suggests an interesting question: What ever happened to Friedman’s role as a free-market icon? The answer to that question says a lot about what has happened to modern conservatism.


    For Friedman, who used to be the ultimate avatar of conservative economics, has essentially disappeared from right-wing discourse. Oh, he gets name-checked now and then — but only for his political polemics, never for his monetary theories. Instead, Rand Paul turns to the “Austrian” view of thinkers like Friedrich Hayek — a view Friedman once described as an “atrophied and rigid caricature” — while Paul Ryan, the G.O.P.’s de facto intellectual leader, gets his monetary economics from Ayn Rand, or more precisely from fictional characters in “Atlas Shrugged.”


    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/12/opinion/krugman-milton-friedman-unperson.html



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    Too fat to be president. The Democrats would use Christie's weight against him just like they used McCain's age against him. Besides, why do you even care? America is so ed up right now that it doesn't matter who is president.

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    Too fat to be president. The Democrats would use Christie's weight against him just like they used McCain's age against him. Besides, why do you even care? America is so ed up right now that it doesn't matter who is president.
    Most americans are overweight anyways, tbh... if that's his major weakness, then he's in good shape (pun intended).

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    Even if he survived the GOP primaries and wound up as the GOP nominee, the media would destroy him because of his weight. There is no way that a fat GOP nominee would ever beat a skinny liberal Democratic nominee in America. Being fat is on the same level as being a cigarette smoker in American society.

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    Still not buying it. Look at Oprah, fat and black. Plus if the alternative is a skinny teapotty, might aswell not even show up.

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    Oprah is also a liberal and huge contributor to the Democratic Party. She is also a huge Obama drinker. Those things make her untouchable. A fatty fat fatty GOP nominee will never become president.

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    Oprah is also a liberal and huge contributor to the Democratic Party. She is also a huge Obama drinker. Those things make her untouchable. A fatty fat fatty GOP nominee will never become president.
    we'll see. I think the next election is the GOP's to lose. But after looking at the last one, you can't take anything for granted anymore.

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    "I think the next election is the GOP's to lose"



    the primaries will be full of extremist assholes like Santorum, Paul, etc who will drive the candidate into saying extremist right-y crap to convince the extremist bubba, gun fellating base.


    GOP searches for its missing white voters, too

    Romney, who won 59 percent of white voters, would have needed 62.54 percent to beat President Barack Obama, Rove writes.

    "That's a tall order, given that Ronald Reagan received 63 percent of the white vote in his 1984 victory, according to the Congressional Quarterly's analysis of major exit polls," Rove writes. "It's unreasonable to expect Republicans to routinely pull numbers that last occurred in a 49-state sweep."


    I don't often agree with Rove, but I think he's right this time. As the "autopsy" report found in polls and focus groups revealed, the GOP has lost touch with a lot of voters across racial and ideological lines, leading to their fifth presidential election out of the last six in which the party failed to win a majority of the popular vote.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...se-republicans




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    5 Reasons Senior Citizens Are Turning On The GOP

    A new national survey by Democracy Corps find that seniors support Republican candidates by a mere five percent. Only 28 percent approve of House Republicans, down 15 percent when Republicans took over the lower house of Congress in 2011 — with 71 percent disapproving of their performance. Meanwhile, 40 percent approve of House Democrats up three percent in that same time period.

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-reason...ainst-the-gop/



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