2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades

[Chinook]

It's not just them, but how many links am I supposed to come up with? And what's the point, when I know you'll just shoot them all down anyway and pass them off as being "someone's opinion"?

The bottom line is, it's indisputable that they were drafted at those positions and so far to date, they've only not played them so that they could get their best talent on the floor. Long term, who knows how Henkie/Brown view them or if they'll even be kept? All I said from the beginning of this was that, as currently cons uted, it's a virtual lock they'll be sliding down a position, so they won't be as thin on the wings as Bruno thinks. Of course, that was before either of us realized Richardson would miss most of next season (I had thought he'd just miss the start).

I've already clarified it and I'm not bothering doing so again. Your whole reasoning for why Young "can't play the three" is complete and utter nonsense, as I proved with the list of similar players who do in fact play it, as is this notion that "because he's played more minutes at PF, that automatically means he's a natural PF", which I proved with the Duncan example.

You haven't clarified anything. You've provided no facts. You've simply stated your opinion and posted opinions that agree with you. And you brought up a list of players that doesn't help your argument, because the players either performed too poorly to be considered good examples or did not have the histories that you think they did. Even Aminu saw much better stats when he played solid minutes the four, going from end-of-bench quality to just below average. McGuire was just plain awful no matter where he played last season.

And let's stay clear on this: You're not saying Young CAN move to the three. You're saying that the three is his natural position (whatever the that's supposed to mean). I am saying he's a much better four than he is a three, and all the numbers support that. You've been saying that he's a natural three ... well ... just because, I guess. Or because some scouts incorrectly predicted he'd be good there. In fact, he hasn't been, to the point that the last three years, he's played at SF for less than one percent of his time on the floor. This is not a recent shift that just started last season -- the big shift in his career was moving from being a bench big to being a starting big. Whether Young will play the three next season is arbitrary, since any player can be put in any position at any time. We were talking about where he fits best (where his "natural position" is by any logical denotation). Don't try to move the goal posts on me.

I would not be surprised if you didn't intend to take a hard view on this. I didn't take one, either, until you decided to start a debate about it.

[TD 21]

It's just common knowledge, just like it is that Anthony was drafted primarily as an SF. The fact that he primarily plays PF now doesn't make him a natural PF. You don't need links for that.

The list of players seal my argument, because they have the same issue Young has, which is the reason you think he can't play SF and yet . . . they play SF! How good the list of players are has nothing to do with anything, they were merely examples of limited to non three-point shooters who play SF.

I'm saying Young can play either, just that he's a natural SF and will likely be playing it again next season. That's it. I never argued where he'd fit best, nor do I need to, because apparently I've got you to formulate my opinion for me.

[Chinook]

It's just common knowledge, just like it is that Anthony was drafted primarily as an SF. The fact that he primarily plays PF now doesn't make him a natural PF. You don't need links for that.

The list of players seal my argument, because they have the same issue Young has, which is the reason you think he can't play SF and yet . . . they play SF! How good the list of players are has nothing to do with anything, they were merely examples of limited to non three-point shooters who play SF.

I'm saying Young can play either, just that he's a natural SF and will likely be playing it again next season. That's it. I never argued where he'd fit best, nor do I need to, because apparently I've got you to formulate my opinion for me.

"Thad sucks at the three statistically, but he's supposed to play there."

"These mediocre to bad players who play the three (when they are better statistically at the four) seal the deal for me."

"Some of the best defenders (who were elite in other skills besides shooting) in the league played the three back in the day when small-forwards didn't need to have good perimeter skills, so Thad can do it in today's NBA."

"Thad has played the four 90 percent of the time during the last several seasons, but he's a combo-forward."

"Scouts said Thad was a three, so even though they've been proven wrong by his career, he's still a natural there."

Did I miss anything?

[RD2191]

[TD 21]

"Thad sucks at the three statistically, but he's supposed to play there."

"These mediocre to bad players who play the three (when they are better statistically at the four) seal the deal for me."

"Some of the best defenders (who were elite in other skills besides shooting) in the league played the three back in the day when small-forwards didn't need to have good perimeter skills, so Thad can do it in today's NBA."

"Thad has played the four 90 percent of the time during the last several seasons, but he's a combo-forward."

"Scouts said Thad was a three, so even though they've been proven wrong by his career, he's still a natural there."

Did I miss anything?

Making up quotes

Zero reading comprehension whatsoever

[Chinook]

Making up quotes

Zero reading comprehension whatsoever

Sounds like a 'no' to me. You're the one who thinks opinions are facts.

[UnWantedTheory]

It's just common knowledge, just like it is that Anthony was drafted primarily as an SF. The fact that he primarily plays PF now doesn't make him a natural PF. You don't need links for that.

The list of players seal my argument, because they have the same issue Young has, which is the reason you think he can't play SF and yet . . . they play SF! How good the list of players are has nothing to do with anything, they were merely examples of limited to non three-point shooters who play SF.

I'm saying Young can play either, just that he's a natural SF and will likely be playing it again next season. That's it. I never argued where he'd fit best, nor do I need to, because apparently I've got you to formulate my opinion for me.

No offense broski, but bringing up "natural positions" would lead one to believe they are best served playing there. Naturally.

[Redshadows]

I'm also wondering if all that money spend this summer by Minny won't re-open the door on a Derrick Williams trade. To me, he was out of reach after his good second half of season but it might not be the case, especially if Adelman still likes more Cunningham.

I think the Wolves would keep Derrick Williams till the 2015 summer when Kevin Love might leave them.

[Chinook]

I think the Wolves would keep Derrick Williams till the 2015 summer when Kevin Love might leave them.

The thing is, he's not cheap. He's set to make almost $6 Million next season. Also, his contract expires next July, so they Wolves would have to re-sign him in order to have him in 2015.

EDIT: I don't know what I was thinking. Williams' deal expires in 2015 (two Julys from now). But they'd still have to re-sign him and more importantly guarantee his 2014-2015 salary in October. Williams is an expensive insurance policy, especially with Love and Pek making bank.

[therealtruth]

So you're just ignoring the fact that the Splitter lineup was 17 points per 100 possession better than the second best 5 man unit for the Spurs.

I think we actually let the Heat of the hook when we benched Splitter to match up with them. They couldn't score against our starting lineup. That's why they started Mike Miller.

[therealtruth]

It's not just them, but how many links am I supposed to come up with? And what's the point, when I know you'll just shoot them all down anyway and pass them off as being "someone's opinion"?

The bottom line is, it's indisputable that they were drafted at those positions and so far to date, they've only not played them so that they could get their best talent on the floor. Long term, who knows how Henkie/Brown view them or if they'll even be kept? All I said from the beginning of this was that, as currently cons uted, it's a virtual lock they'll be sliding down a position, so they won't be as thin on the wings as Bruno thinks. Of course, that was before either of us realized Richardson would miss most of next season (I had thought he'd just miss the start).

I've already clarified it and I'm not bothering doing so again. Your whole reasoning for why Young "can't play the three" is complete and utter nonsense, as I proved with the list of similar players who do in fact play it, as is this notion that "because he's played more minutes at PF, that automatically means he's a natural PF", which I proved with the Duncan example.

I agree the only reason they've played Young at the 4 is to get their best talent on the floor. It's a secondary point that he's thrived as a small ball 4. Look at Carmello. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a 4 even though he has better stats there.

[Obiwonginobili]

f'n stfu and move this to another thread. this is 2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades thread not the Thadeus Young is a 3 or 4 thread. swear its morons like these guys that ruin forums in general.

[ace3g]

Ronald Tillery ‏@CAGrizBlog Source: Griz working on small trade to get Celtics center Fab Melo for Donte Greene. CA story coming...

[UnWantedTheory]

f'n stfu and move this to another thread. this is 2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades thread not the Thadeus Young is a 3 or 4 thread. swear its morons like these guys that ruin forums in general.

What about the morons who feel it necessary to comment on such things?

[Bruno]

Ronald Tillery ‏@CAGrizBlog Source: Griz working on small trade to get Celtics center Fab Melo for Donte Greene. CA story coming...

Celtics are just above the luxury tax threshold. Trading Melo for Green unguaranted contract would allow them to go just under and save a lot of money.

[Bruno]

Donte Greene might be an option for Spurs. Spurs were reportedly interested in him earlier this year. Celtics will for sure waive him to go under the tax but the question is if they will do it now or at the end of the training camp.

[TD 21]

No offense broski, but bringing up "natural positions" would lead one to believe they are best served playing there. Naturally.

Not necessarily. The game has evolved a lot since he's been drafted, plus he's gotten a lot stronger. Ideally, I think he's best defensively as an SF and offensively as a PF, which works best if he's paired with a stretch four (think Mbah a Moute and Ilyasova). Short of that, it's a risk/reward type thing, dependent on the personnel you have around him and the personnel on the opposition.

[xmas1997]

Donte Greene might be an option for Spurs. Spurs were reportedly interested in him earlier this year. Celtics will for sure waive him to go under the tax but the question is if they will do it now or at the end of the training camp.

I would love having Donte Green on the Spurs backing up Kawhi.

[elemento]

At this point I think SA might be ok going to the season with only Kawhi as a natural SF. I think the 2nd unit goes with Cory/Beli/Manu.

[TD 21]

Free agent swingman Mickael Pietrus has a workout scheduled with an undisclosed NBA team in September with two other NBA teams showing interest in working the French forward out, his agent Bill McCandless told CSNNW.com. CSNNW.com


Last season, it was reported that the Spurs showed interest before they signed Anderson, but he held out for a guaranteed deal.

He's supposedly fully healthy for the first time in a couple of years and has looked good in pickup games. I'm still skeptical he has much, if anything, left and he's low IQ and doesn't have close to ideal size (though in his prime, I never found that to hinder him against James, but that was before James punished smaller wings in the post), yet he's still the best combination of athleticism, three-point shooting, defense and experience, available.

[Baam]

Pretty sure Parker and Pietrus are not on good terms.

[Bruno]

Given what remains at SF, the best solution for Spurs would be to sign 2 or 3 SF to partially guaranteed contract and let them fight in training camp to keep the best of them. I don't see a player good enough to warrant a guaranteed contract.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Clippers coach Doc Rivers patiently waiting to sign Lamar Odom after getting rave reviews about how great a teammate he is, source tells Y!

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
One of the rave reviews about Lamar Odom given to Doc Rivers came from former Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro.



Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Free agent F Antawn Jamison was led to believe he was signing with LAC before being told today they preferred Lamar Odom, Y! source said.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: Milwaukee nearing completion of a 4-year, $44 million-plus extension with center Larry Sanders. yhoo.it/1ac5bUm

[benefactor]

lmao