I know MJ had Dream on his all starting 5 list over every other big man in the game...but just where should we rank Hakeem...I'm starting to re-think my position on this guy after coming across some old tapes of how he neutered and spayed D-Rob during the Rox le yrs. Laker fan before you think I'm committing sacrilege agaisnt Kareem and Wilt...hear me out...let's look at the potential theoretical match-ups 1 on 1
Hakeem vs Shaq
He already proved he could dismantle a prime Shaq and he pulverized Shaq during the finals...If I'm not mistaken he averaged like 35 against a prime Shaq in Orlando . His foot work and fade-away jump shot was too much for Shaq...he played Shaq man to man and stopped him with excellent African defense...
Hakeem vs Robinson
PRIOR to 6...This was THE most embarrassing moment in Spurs history. No other player in the history of the game was treated as badly by an opponent than what Dream did to D-Rob...it was Epic like the original Clash of the ans
Hakeem vs Duncan
No comparison tbh...Duncan and Robinson are very interchangeable in my view...only difference is Duncan came a bit too late to get the Dream mistreatment...in fact because Duncan has slower foot work in the paint...Dream would have embarrassed him way worse...If Duncan had played in Hakeem's prime we wouldn't even know who he was...
Hakeem vs Wilt
If Dream can dominate Shaq I have no doubts he dominates Wilt...Hakeem's footwork was to impeccable for these big guys. He played like a PG in many ways
Hakeem vs Bill Russell
Hakeem wins and easily. I see no way Bill could beat Hakeem 1 on 1....they should rename the finals award tbh....
Hakeem vs McHale
Mchale is in the same boat as Russell tbh...it would be total domination by Hakeem
Hakeem vs Kareem...
This is where I struggle the most....because the Skyhook was the most devastating and unstoppable shot in NBA history...but Hakeem is the BEST low post player in history plus he had a fade-away that was almost just as unstoppable..plus he played a defense...leads the NBA all-time in blocks...I just don't see how a prime Kareem could deal with the complete package of a prime Dream...I think in the end I'd have to go with Dream over Kareem....it's a tough call but I think MJ was right on this..and that's hard for me to say as a Laker die-hard...
If Prime Dream is in LA playing with Kareem and Magic LA wins 12 les in a row...I think the African get's overlooked because he's from Nigeria
Dream would still have the edge against Abdul imho. dudes would be evenly matched in offense because Dream's footwork and Kareem's skyhook were both their name sakes that the other had nary solution to, and defense would be the tie breaker imho. Prime Hakeem may be the best big in defense, or at least the 2nd best of all time behind Bill Russell
GOAT center imo
Not really fair to compare prime Dream to young Shaq tbh,
There are clips of a 38 y/o Jabbar vs a 23 ish y/o Olajuwon battling it down low, I believe its the playoffs and its amazing how even at that age Kareem was schooling the better and younger centers in that era.
I know what you speak of..I've seen those vids...and Kareem was a mutha er...but I'm talking prime players here...and based on his defensive prowess...I gotta go with Hakeem..because in the end I think Hakeem was more versatile, had better range, was a ing beast in the paint, with either hand...and was just flat out the best defensive player outside of Dennis Rodman the league has ever seen....tbh....
what a joke statement if I've ever seen one...Bill Russell is over hyped and rated...he's only getting props from the NBA based on what he had to endure as a black man playing in Boston back in the day...it's all nostalgia with him...The NBA Finals MVP award should named after Hakeem if it's based on best overall Big man
even a Prime Shaq would have gotten schooled...Listen Shaq would have fouled out trying to guard Hakeem straight up...while on the other hand Hakeem would have given him room and simply blocked his shot outside of 3 ft from the rim...that's how good Dream was...he wasn't intimidated by Shaq's girth at all...he would have been either popping jumpers in Shaq's face or dancing on him in the paint...it would have been brutal to watch...Shaq would have been on the bench before the end of the 1Q tbh
If you think Kobe > Bron because 5>2 then you can't really argue Dream> Timmy
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Koolaid continuing to get on. is a disgrace to true hood s.
He is definitely the best African born big man of all time, hands down.
Koolaid has gone beyond ridiculous with his recent antics but at least the new nice ass thong-clad avatar provides some redemption tbh
the problem you have is this....no one outside of SA believes Timmy is even remotely better than Hakeem....the only people that think Bron is better than Kobe is Texas fan, Heat fan, and the media...everyone else in the modern world picks Kobe...skill wise Lebron is not in the same league as MJ or Kobe..Lebron has a basic crab dribble game and basic power tomahawk dunk that's it...skill wise Duncan has nothing over Hakeem...
see I can always get blood out of turnip
You make Lebron sound like a caveman tbh. Is that what you're saying?the problem you have is this....no one outside of SA believes Timmy is even remotely better than Hakeem....the only people that think Bron is better than Kobe is Texas fan, Heat fan, and the media...everyone else in the modern world picks Kobe...skill wise Lebron is not in the same league as MJ or Kobe..Lebron has a basic crab dribble game and basic power tomahawk dunk that's it...skill wise Duncan has nothing over Hakeem...
see I can always get blood out of turnip
I'm not a hood ....but I do pack my pistol and I will kick your ass...the only time I"m in the hood is to get a haircut and to catch up on my street slang and to keep my ear to the streets...tbh
his game says that...why don't you ask Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Hakeem, Dr. J, Dirk Nowitski, D-Wade, and a host of other players why they choose Kobe over Lebron... real players recognize game
the Spurs literally won a le and then handed it over to Lebron...he's not supposed to have 2...you guys are the biggest jokes in NBA history and unfortunately Spur fan haven't figured that out yet.....
jealous cuz you can't afford to partake in one of life's excess pleasures
I see what you're saying but to say Lebron only has a crab dribble and a tomahawk is just wrong. I hate the er tbh but he has more than those two moves. True, he is utilitarian to the point of having a fairly ugly style but he has more than 2 moves. C'mon dawg
namne something else he got... can't do a third of the Kobe can do with the ball...he has no skill compared to Kobe...he dunks hard, barrels to the basket, and will hit an open jumper....Lebron has a basic game set...nothing spectacular...I'm just not impressed with his hard dunks...and tbh that's all the media tries to sell you on...Dude's game is lame as ...he thought he lost to Timmy that's why he saying Timmy is the best player of the decade...in fact Lebron choked off game 6 with those 2 turnovers late..and was bailed out by RayRay...real playas recognize it for what it is...and tbh they don't really respect the ...Just go back to that Bulls series when the Bulls basically called him a and was punking him all over the court...
Nice troll. This s not even close.
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