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    "they can't be trusted with too much power"

    but you trust the power of the NRA and the gun industry.


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    The gun industry doesn't hold executive power. Financial power is part of a capitalistic society.

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    btw - Federal law prevents hand guns from being sold to people under the age of 21. INFRINGED!!!!!!
    That affects the seller. The individual can still own the firearm. You lack capacity for critical thought which is why a debate with you is tedious.

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    That affects the seller. The individual can still own the firearm. You lack capacity for critical thought which is why a debate with you is tedious.
    Since the age appears to be set arbitrarily, what if the government set the age at 80 to legally buy a handgun from a licenced dealer? Would that be an infringement upon the right to bear arms if you could still legally own one at he ripe old age of 79?

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    How many times does our government have to go sliding down the slippery slope on every issue before people like you accept that they can't be trusted with too much power?
    Limit power through law and prosecute when the law is broken.

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    Since the age appears to be set arbitrarily, what if the government set the age at 80 to legally buy a handgun from a licenced dealer? Would that be an infringement upon the right to bear arms if you could still legally own one at he ripe old age of 79?
    There are infringements on the 2nd Amendment in some laws, if that's what you're asking. I don't see any reason for speculation based on hypothetical situations. The thing about Amendments is that states must ratify them, and then the states reserve the right to impose restrictions and individuals may challenge those at a higher level, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. Gay marriage is a good example of that. Abortion is yet another.

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    Limit power through law and prosecute when the law is broken.
    You're saying that the government should regulate itself. Isn't that already happening? Who would create the laws? The government.. and who would prosecute? The same government. Could you see the US AG prosecuting the POTUS? No. That only happens in partisan cases.

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    There are infringements on the 2nd Amendment in some laws, if that's what you're asking. I don't see any reason for speculation based on hypothetical situations.
    I did ask that (are the rights provided in the BoR unlimited), which you proceeded to call a staw man. You're a silly old man.

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    You're saying that the government should regulate itself. Isn't that already happening? Who would create the laws? The government.. and who would prosecute? The same government. Could you see the US AG prosecuting the POTUS? No. That only happens in partisan cases.
    If you don't like the checks and balances put in place by the founding fathers in the us cons ution, take it up with them.

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    I did ask that (are the rights provided in the BoR unlimited), which you proceeded to call a staw man. You're a silly old man.
    Why did you equivocate "infringements" to "unlimited"?

    Unlimited is the right. Infringement is the violation of that right. I don't know what a "staw man" actually is.

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    If you don't like the checks and balances put in place by the founding fathers in the us cons ution, take it up with them.
    Par per etc... you're is pushed in ergo your comedy defense mechanism (honk honk I'm a clown look at me) kicks in.

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    Why did you equivocate "infringements" to "unlimited"?

    Unlimited is the right. Infringement is the violation of that right. I don't know what a "staw man" actually is.
    No. I equated limiting the right to keep and bear arms with infringing on your right to keep and bear arms and I did that about 30 posts ago. Glad you're finally coming around to the fact that regardless of the text 'shall not be infringed', the cons utional right to keep in bear arms is in fact limited (I.e. has been infringed upon), without an amendment to the cons ution I might add. you're dense as .

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    Par per etc... you're is pushed in ergo your comedy defense mechanism (honk honk I'm a clown look at me) kicks in.
    Your s getting pushed here old man...tell me how 'shall not be infringed' is an unlimited right to keep and bear arms again...

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    Strawman. You deal with it.

    Consider though: shall not be infringed upon

    Find the limitations in that.
    Glad you finally got around to finding those limitations you old goat.

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    Your s getting pushed here old man...tell me how 'shall not be infringed' is an unlimited right to keep and bear arms again...
    No, I asked you to show me in that phrase where limitations exist. So far you haven't.

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    No. I equated limiting the right to keep and bear arms with infringing on your right to keep and bear arms and I did that about 30 posts ago. Glad you're finally coming around to the fact that regardless of the text 'shall not be infringed', the cons utional right to keep in bear arms is in fact limited (I.e. has been infringed upon), without an amendment to the cons ution I might add. you're dense as .
    I never said it's not been infringed upon. I said the phrase doesn't invoke a limitation. What's been done since has nothing to do with the phrase "shall not be infringed".

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    Glad you finally got around to finding those limitations you old goat.
    You keep using that word "old" but here you are, perhaps 20 years my junior, arguing with an old man on an internet message forum about the Bill of Rights and trying to debate politics. I certainly wasn't doing that 20 years ago.

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    No, I asked you to show me in that phrase where limitations exist. So far you haven't.
    they exist in law. Remember, we live in reality.

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    I never said it's not been infringed upon. I said the phrase doesn't invoke a limitation. What's been done since has nothing to do with the phrase "shall not be infringed".
    Except that's not reality.

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    You keep using that word "old" but here you are, perhaps 20 years my junior, arguing with an old man on an internet message forum about the Bill of Rights and trying to debate politics. I certainly wasn't doing that 20 years ago.
    Ah, the old I have no life b/c I post on the Internet bit. Fresh.

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    they exist in law. Remember, we live in reality.
    Except that's not reality.
    Ah, the old I have no life b/c I post on the Internet bit. Fresh.
    1. So?
    2. Sure it is.
    3. cart before horse (you have no life ergo you post all day).

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    Why did you equivocate "infringements" to "unlimited"?

    Unlimited is the right. Infringement is the violation of that right. I don't know what a "staw man" actually is.
    Didn't know people were using "equivocate" this way 20 years ago tbh, thanks for the knowledge bro, you never disappoints me.

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    Didn't know people were using "equivocate" this way 20 years ago tbh, thanks for the knowledge bro, you never disappoints me.
    It's my pleasure. Whatever I can do to assist in your endeavors to put to pen and paper your lucid stories of your travels, I'm at your disposal.

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    Tennessee 5-year-old detained after firing handgun in school cafeteria




    A 5-year-old kindergartener has reportedly been detained at a school in Tennessee after a handgun discharged in the cafeteria.

    Shawn Pachucki with Shelby County Schools told WMCT that police were called to Westside Elementary School following a gunshot that happened in the cafeteria at around 7:30 a.m. Pachucki said that the child brought the gun to school in a backpack and it accidentally discharged.

    “This morning at Westside Elementary School, a Kindergarten student brought a firearm to school in his backpack,” a statement from Shelby County Schools said. “While waiting for the opening bell in the cafeteria, the firearm discharged accidentally inside the child’s backpack. Nobody was injured, and staff immediately took possession of the backpack.”

    The statement added: “SCS Security and the Memphis Police Department responded quickly, and the matter is now under investigation. There is no evidence at this time of harmful intent; however, weapons of any kind are prohibited on campuses, and this student will be disciplined in accordance with the state’s zero tolerance policy.”

    Reports said that the child was being held inside the principal’s office.

    While Westside Elementary remained in session on Thursday, many parents who heard the news came to take their children home early.

    “We’re gonna have to get together to see what we should do from this moment on because you know what you can do when you’re sitting back watching it on the news but when it’s happening right in your face, that’s a lot,” parent Preston Warmley told WMCT.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/2...ool-cafeteria/


    When The Great Boutons becomes divine right King of the USA, he will pass an edict that all guns and ammo in the home of this child will be confiscated and destroyed, and the registered gun owner fined $10K and forbidden gun ownership until no children live in his house.

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