NBA: Honest question/Honest answer

[Michael Jordan.]

^ He wouldn't be worth two s if Kobe didn't take him in and made him a champion.

Hall of Famer.

[Leetonidas]

Deflecting again. And STFU about LeHype. This fool came out of the lEastern conference once as the man then promptly got his pushed in. Before that, he couldn't because he wasn't good enough. What does he do? Collude with his class of '03 buddies. Then he got bailed out two years in a row by role players (Mike Miller last year and Ray Alen this year) and a team of choke artists that could NOT hold a 5-point lead for 28 ing seconds. Color me unimpressed tbh.

Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs one of those years while LeBron was taking a team of scrubs to the Finals. If he can take a team starting Boobie Gibson, Sasha Pavlovic, and Drew Gooden to the Finals he sure as could've taken Lamar Odom and Caron Butler to the playoffs

[Arnold Toht]

Hall of Famer.

0 wins in the playoffs without Kobe. Gilbert Arenas tier.

[Leetonidas]

^ He wouldn't be worth two s if Kobe didn't take him in and made him a champion.

maybe if you parrot Thread's phrases enough they'll be true

[Leetonidas]

0 wins in the playoffs without Kobe. Gilbert Arenas tier.

Post Shaq: 0 playoff series won without Pau Gasol

[Michael Jordan.]

0 wins in the playoffs without Kobe. Gilbert Arenas tier.

Hall of Famer

[LkrFan]

Lkrfan getting on so badly, i feel sorry for him.

I haven't seen Lkrfan this butthurt since his commanding officer told him to help with the Fukushima cleanup.

How many times do I have to tell you farmers that ST is entertainment for me? I am hardly butthurt son.

[LkrFan]

Hall of Famer

Was he a HOFer before he came to LA tbh?

[LkrFan]

Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs one of those years while LeBron was taking a team of scrubs to the Finals. If he can take a team starting Boobie Gibson, Sasha Pavlovic, and Drew Gooden to the Finals he sure as could've taken Lamar Odom and Caron Butler to the playoffs

Do you think he would have come out of the WC with det squad? Your answer can be found in the form of the 2007 Finals winner. He got skunked - which is precisely what would have happened if his Cav teams from 2003-2007 were in the WC.

So don't give him props for getting out of the EC that year. What happened when he played a real team? Exactly.

[Leetonidas]

You missed the point completely, which is that Kobe Bryant, your Allah, missed the playoffs in his ing prime with future all-star Caron Butler and future 6MOY Lamar Odom. LeBron would've taken that team to the playoffs. That's what I'm telling you, it doesn't matter if he got skunked in the Finals, Kobe wouldn't have even sniffed the 8th seed with the 2007 Cavs roster

[ambchang]

Go easy guys. Or we will see laker fans throwing KAJ under the bus to prop up Kobe.

Better yet, we will start seeing threads comparing Kobe to D12, Blake Griffin or some other decent players to make Kobe look better.

[Clipper Nation]

clowns like Doc Rivers

^ Nothing but bitterness over 39

[Michael Jordan.]

Was he a HOFer before he came to LA tbh?

Could be argued yes, but it doesn't matter. You said Kobe repeated without a HOF which is false, because Gasol will be in the HOF for his NBA play and international play. Then you shifted the goalposts to determine when he became one when that is inmaterial. Kobe never repeated without a HOF.

[LkrFan]

^ Nothing but bitterness over 39

How'd he do in Orlando?

[ambchang]

Could be argued yes, but it doesn't matter. You said Kobe repeated without a HOF which is false, because Gasol will be in the HOF for his NBA play and international play. Then you shifted the goalposts to determine when he became one when that is inmaterial. Kobe never repeated without a HOF.

I actually think LkrFan was saying that Kobe can only win b2b with a HoF while they are playing at the prime of their careers. Pau wasn't a HoF before being a Laker, and the only reason the Lakers won b2b, according to LkrFan, was because Pau was playing like MVPau (HoF worthy two years), carrying an inefficient chucker to les. Gotta respect that candidness and admitting that Pau was the reason the Lakers rung in 09 and 10.

[LkrFan]

I actually think LkrFan was saying that Kobe can only win b2b with a HoF while they are playing at the prime of their careers. Pau wasn't a HoF before being a Laker, and the only reason the Lakers won b2b, according to LkrFan, was because Pau was playing like MVPau (HoF worthy two years), carrying an inefficient chucker to les. Gotta respect that candidness and admitting that Pau was the reason the Lakers rung in 09 and 10.

Don't speculate on what I posted you little snot nosed got. Shouldn't you be in the kitchen making your man a sammich?

[Clipper Nation]

How'd he do in Orlando?

How'd Pringles do in NY?

[ambchang]

Don't speculate on what I posted you little snot nosed got. Shouldn't you be in the kitchen making your man a sammich?

Not my fault you can't express yourself clearly and/or have questionable logic.

And why are you speculating what I should be doing at any exact moment?

[AchillesHeel]

Deflecting again. And STFU about LeHype. This fool came out of the lEastern conference once as the man then promptly got his pushed in. Before that, he couldn't because he wasn't good enough. What does he do? Collude with his class of '03 buddies. Then he got bailed out two years in a row by role players (Mike Miller last year and Ray Alen this year) and a team of choke artists that could NOT hold a 5-point lead for 28 ing seconds. Color me unimpressed tbh.

oh yes, without Mike Miller Heat lose against OKC in 2012 , Heat were up by 20+ that game and even if Miller doesn't make the wide open 3s Lebron creates for him Heat still wins game 5 with Harden playing like . OKC never had a chance because they're a running team, just like Miami which is their cup of tea. No one's beating Miami in a fast paced game, period. My Spurs were the best team to match up with the Heat but it wasn't Ray Allen that saved Lebron's legacy, if Bron didn't score 8 straight points for his team and bring his team back from being down 10 the shot would not have even mattered.

Your takes are horrible and full of , you're still bitter about Lebron having as many FMVPs as Kirby.

[LkrFan]

I came to SpursTalk in peace. After my first post, I was called a got. You guys made me this way. Now you crying like a li'l . Check mate.

[AchillesHeel]

I came to SpursTalk in peace. After my first post, I was called a got. You guys made me this way. Now you crying like a li'l . Check mate.

What? Stating facts = crying like a ?

[Michael Jordan.]

What? Stating facts = crying like a ?

Of course. Because after you boil it down, Kobe's legacy looks like Joan Rivers after a facelift. Notsogood.

[Katherine Robinson]

Kobe Bryant forced the Lakers to improve, while it is arguable if that was his goal - his request lead to two les. You can hate the player, but appreciate the result of his actions. If he had stayed without a sign of dissatisfaction, the Lakers would likely be at 14 and not the most or 2nd most valuable team in the league.

[Michael Jordan.]

Kobe Bryant forced the Lakers to improve, while it is arguable if that was his goal - his request lead to two les. You can hate the player, but appreciate the result of his actions. If he had stayed without a sign of dissatisfaction, the Lakers would likely be at 14 and not the most or 2nd most valuable team in the league.

Especially when it was his actions that caused them to be bad in the first place.

[Katherine Robinson]

Especially when it was his actions that caused them to be bad in the first place.

If Kobe Bryant had not pushed Shaq out, then Shaq would have limited the Lakers by not accepting his declining level of play. Remember that this feud was the result of two egos clashing, if Shaq had forced Kobe Bryant out and Bryant had won as a 2nd banana once again - the story would be the same, but roles reversed.

The Lakers became bad because they walked into an inevitable situation. Large egos simply cannot habitat the same environment for long. Even with success, there is only one pie to share.