Lakers: Records owned by K. Bryant

[Clipper Nation]

There is no conversation of Kirby vs. MJ besides among delusional Lakerfan....

[Michael Jordan.]

In ’06-07, Phil Jackson was obviously still there, Lamar Odom remained great in all facets of the game, Luke Walton’s cerebral play did enough to earn him a huge contract, Smush Parker was about the same as the year before (plus he now averaged more steals than Bryant even though he played 10 less minutes per), Kwame Brown was now shooting a phenomenal 59% from the field, and youngster Andrew Bynum played in every game and recorded 10 double-doubles. Again, not the best supporting cast, but we see plenty of teams with much much worse every year. The Lakers went 39-38 (.506) with Kobe in the lineup and 3-2 (.600) without. Again taking a look at Odom’s numbers, the team was 30-26 (.536) with him and 12-14 (.462) without, including losing 5 straight in March during the only 5 games he missed after January.

[Leetonidas]

the constant discusiion of Kobe vs MJ says enough...

duncan

lol you gots were comparing Kobe to Kevin Martin the other day, MJ vs. Kobe is not even a debate so stfu

[whitemamba]

There is no conversation of Kirby vs. MJ besides among delusional Lakerfan....

only conversation blake is in is featured on the animal planet's special evolution of the primates.

[Michael Jordan.]

Kobe’s impact on W-L’s: I went into a little detail with these three rosters simply because the story over time has been that Kobe carried 4 carcasses around the court with him for three years, but it’s just not true; he had more to work with and a better coaching situation than Jason Kidd ever experienced in his prime. Overall, Kobe’s influence on LA’s W-L records wasn't very noticeable (111-111 with him, 9-14 without --- I know fans will want to jump on this as proof of his influence, so I'll point out that 14 of those contests were against teams at or above .500, meaning the expected W-L record for a .500 club against that lineup is 9-14), and he certainly wasn’t able to keep the team afloat when Lamar Odom was injured. In fact, a much stronger case can be made that Odom was the one carrying the franchise during this time based on the Lakers’ W-L records with and without him. The numbers indicate that Kobe’s impact was minimal.

[Leetonidas]

the does blake griffin have to do with anything

[Clipper Nation]

only conversation blake is in is featured on the animal planet's special evolution of the primates.

Trying to deflect to other players won't change all the truth bombs that MJ is dropping, sn

[Michael Jordan.]

With Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum/Lamar Odom (’07-08 to ’10-11)

Three things happened during the ’07-08 season that helped define a new era of Lakers basketball and which ultimately took a 42-win team and instantly turned them into a 57-25 contender. First, Derek Fisher returned. Second, Andrew Bynum’s career took off. He played 28 minutes per game and even started 25 times through January 13, averaging 13 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.1 blocks, while shooting an unreal 64%. The Lakers, with a legit big-bodied center who brought it at both ends while playing next to Lamar Odom, were 25-11 at that point (1-0 without Bynum). He went down for the season that night, and suddenly LA was playing like they did during that three year stretch of mediocrity, going 5-5 over the next 10 contests. Third, at that point the team completed one of the most laughably one-sided trades in league history, picking up All-Star big man Pau Gasol from Memphis. With two talented big men again manning the paint, the Lakers went on a 15-3 tear, including a season-high 10-game win streak. Gasol hurt his ankle two minutes into his 19^th game as a Laker and was gone for ten consecutive games, and again the club went 5-5. He returned in April, and LA finished strong, going 7-1 the rest of the way before making it all the way to the Finals. Although Bryant played all 82 games that year so we can’t see how the team did with and without him, we do see that the team was 46-15 (.754) with either a Gasol-Odom or Bynum-Odom frontcourt, but only 11-10 (.524) without at least two first-rate bigs in the paint, despite Kobe’s best efforts.

[Clipper Nation]

the does blake griffin have to do with anything

Lakerfan begged him to cross the hallway after his rookie contract was up, he rejected them by re-signing with the Clipps, so now they hate out of pure saltiness

[Michael Jordan.]

Kobe’s impact on W-L’s: Kobe only missed games in this era in ’09-10, so there isn’t much to go on in terms of calculating his impact to the team’s W-L record. When he missed an extremely difficult 5-game stretch that season, the Lakers responded beautifully with Shannon Brown starting in his place, rattling off a surprisingly easy 4-1 record. The only dips the team took during this four-year period occurred in ’07-’08, and those correlated with the absences of Bynum and Gasol. There is nothing to indicate that the success of the Lakers over the past four years was dependent on Bryant. In fact, it seems pretty clear it depended heavily on the health of their frontcourt. Kobe’s impact was somewhere right around none, with more evidence to suggest it was slightly negative than slightly positive.

[Michael Jordan.]

Overall

Kobe has played in three distinct Laker eras, and the W-L numbers tell us the same thing for each one: he did not make a positive impact on his team. I provided more contextual information than I have for the other players so that skeptics can’t blow these numbers off as out of context. The basic thing you have to notice is that his squads have never done disproportionately poor without him—in fact they’ve often gotten better—yet they’re always right around .500 when they don’t have a dominant frontcourt manned either by Shaq or multiple talented bigs as was the case years later, even with Kobe and everything else being the same. Considering his efficiency stats have been subpar throughout his entire career (particularly shooting and passing/ballhandling), and he’s been well known to attempt difficult shots and steal attempts with little regard for his team’s strengths or systems, this conclusion shouldn’t be as large of a shock as many people might assume.

[whitemamba]

lol you gots were comparing Kobe to Kevin Martin the other day, MJ vs. Kobe is not even a debate so stfu

Kobe’s impact on W-L’s: I went into a little detail with these three rosters simply because the story over time has been that Kobe carried 4 carcasses around the court with him for three years, but it’s just not true; he had more to work with and a better coaching situation than Jason Kidd ever experienced in his prime. Overall, Kobe’s influence on LA’s W-L records wasn't very noticeable (111-111 with him, 9-14 without --- I know fans will want to jump on this as proof of his influence, so I'll point out that 14 of those contests were against teams at or above .500, meaning the expected W-L record for a .500 club against that lineup is 9-14), and he certainly wasn’t able to keep the team afloat when Lamar Odom was injured. In fact, a much stronger case can be made that Odom was the one carrying the franchise during this time based on the Lakers’ W-L records with and without him. The numbers indicate that Kobe’s impact was minimal.

the salt

Trying to deflect to other players won't change all the truth bombs that MJ is dropping, sn

hiding behind MJs

[Michael Jordan.]

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2...be-bryant.html

[whitemamba]

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2...be-bryant.html

the 80's

[irishock]

I know HH ain't behind the MJ troll, so how the is it?

[HI-FI]

Lakerfan getting a taste of what Syria has coming tbh.

[whitemamba]

Lakerfan getting a taste of what Syria has coming tbh.

US doesnt have the balls, bunch of broke ass mother ers

[Leetonidas]

you realize the US has warships on standby ready to bomb the out of those towel heads right

[Suspect]

you realize the US has warships on standby ready to bomb the out of those towel heads right

Russia warned us not to do anything OR ELSE

[Michael Jordan.]

Am I gonna have to make a direct thread since Koolaid_Man Bynumite are avoiding this thread?

[Leetonidas]

because koolaid is a little face who would rather talk about who he perceives to be a gay man than defend his idol in the face of overwhelming ownage

[TDMVPDPOY]

beggin a white girl for sex, lol kome

[AchillesHeel]

lol Lakerfans avoiding these threads like the plague, respect to my MJ.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dude doesnt have any records when lebron has already exceeded them...lol kome

[Michael Jordan.]

Who's ready for more truthbombs?