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    Ramona Shelburne @ramonashelburne
    Clippers closing in on a deal with forward Antawn Jamison.



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    Working out another guard. RC is just clowning himself now.
    He lost it. He literally has lost it.

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    He's a compe or, too bad he's with the dreaded Mavs.

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    Clippers have had a very good offseason. They might be the favorites to win the west this season.

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    The Clippers have had one of the most overrated off seasons in recent memory. Outside of hiring a competent coach, they didn't get what they needed, which was a solid two way big to close games next to Griffin and a third star. As much as I like the Dudley/Re pickups and think they're upgrades, they already had above average three-point shooting on the wings and should have aimed higher.

    They're better, but only marginally so. I still have them where I had them before the off season began: Third in the West.

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    The Clippers have had one of the most overrated off seasons in recent memory. Outside of hiring a competent coach, they didn't get what they needed, which was a solid two way big to close games next to Griffin and a third star. As much as I like the Dudley/Re pickups and think they're upgrades, they already had above average three-point shooting on the wings and should have aimed higher.

    They're better, but only marginally so. I still have them where I had them before the off season began: Third in the West.
    Been saying this since for months. Though I have them second behind the Spurs; the Thunder are going to be third or fourth IMO depending on whether or not Houston gels together.

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    Ivey, who is a 3 and D player, will be great fit with a second unit that should have Belinelli at SG and Ginobili at SF.

    I really like Joseph but his inability to hit a perimeter shot might turn out a a so big issue that it would cost him the backup PG spot. In the NBA Joseph is 11/47 (23.4%) from 3 point land and 22/60 (36.7%) on 16ft+ 2 pointers. That's just bad and it's even more problematic with Joseph not being a great slasher.

    He shot 48% on 3s last season in the DLeague and is 45% on 3s in his DLeague career. I'm not saying he's a prolific outside shooter (Mills is still clearly better). But there is strong evidence that Cory Joseph has the ability to hit outside jumpers at a decent clip.

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    He shot 48% on 3s last season in the DLeague and is 45% on 3s in his DLeague career. I'm not saying he's a prolific outside shooter (Mills is still clearly better). But there is strong evidence that Cory Joseph has the ability to hit outside jumpers at a decent clip.
    He needs to do it at the NBA level too. Some players like Tolliver or Hairston were shooting very well at a lower level and weren't able to do it with Spurs. Both were waived because of that.

    Now, it's sure that his D-League shooting numbers gives some reasons to hope he will shoot also well in the NBA. I think it will happen with and that he just needs more playing time in the NBA to find his marks. Now, it's belief and Spurs might not share it or at least have some doubts about it and need an insurance like Ivey.

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    Been saying this since for months. Though I have them second behind the Spurs; the Thunder are going to be third or fourth IMO depending on whether or not Houston gels together.
    Mullens is a pretty decent big and Jamison is better than Odom. Clippers could be scary.

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    Jorge Sierra @hoopshype about 50 minutes ago

    Josh Childress will work out for the Cavaliers and Spurs over the next two weeks, agent Chris Emens told HoopsHype.
    Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/hoopshy...#ixzz2dCCA99C5

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    Mullens is a pretty decent big and Jamison is better than Odom. Clippers could be scary.
    Neither are putting them over the top, and they traded away the only player that truly gave the spurs fits in Bledsoe.

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    The Clippers have had one of the most overrated off seasons in recent memory. Outside of hiring a competent coach, they didn't get what they needed, which was a solid two way big to close games next to Griffin and a third star. As much as I like the Dudley/Re pickups and think they're upgrades, they already had above average three-point shooting on the wings and should have aimed higher.

    They're better, but only marginally so. I still have them where I had them before the off season began: Third in the West.
    I agree. But they didn't really need a 3rd star. Big 3's aren't essential for a championship. You really only need a bona fide superstar (Paul) and an star (Griffin) along with a lot of nice complementary pieces.


    Rivers is the second best coach in the league (IMO). They need Jordan to become that big you mentioned because they invested $10 million a season in him. Griffin needs to hit mid range jumper (of course, after tearing down and rebuilding his mechanics) Neither Griffin or Jordan can hit free throws another big issue.

    3rd is where I peg them unless Houston or GSW are actually better than everyone expects.

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    I agree. But they didn't really need a 3rd star. Big 3's aren't essential for a championship. You really only need a bona fide superstar (Paul) and an star (Griffin) along with a lot of nice complementary pieces.


    Rivers is the second best coach in the league (IMO). They need Jordan to become that big you mentioned because they invested $10 million a season in him. Griffin needs to hit mid range jumper (of course, after tearing down and rebuilding his mechanics) Neither Griffin or Jordan can hit free throws another big issue.

    3rd is where I peg them unless Houston or GSW are actually better than everyone expects.
    I don't disagree. I think Griffin and Jordan are highly flawed given their salaries and the reliance the Clippers have on them, but Chris Paul, if healthy is a beast and can make them very good. They desparately needed shooting, which they got in trades. Jordan has to be a better free throw shooter, though, if they want to compete. They can't survive the final five minutes of a close game with him (and his defense) on the bench because he can't hit a free throw.

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    bummer!

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    Free agent center Dexter Pittman has accepted an invitation to the Chicago Bulls’ training camp, a league source told RealGM.

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...ite-With-Bulls
    bummer!*

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    I think Pop's answer will be way simpler: Manu will be the backup SF. Parker/Green/Leonard will start and Joseph/Belinelli/Ginobili will back them up.

    Ginobili played a lot of SF with Spurs. In 08-09, 10-11 and 11-12, he played an average about 38% of his minutes at the SF spot. Pop played lineups with a combination of Parker, Hill, Mason then Neal at guards with Manu at SF.
    nailed it bruno. manu is this years tmac. except he's the spurs very own home grown washed up star. it's the injuries.

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    nailed it bruno. manu is this years tmac. except he's the spurs very own home grown washed up star. it's the injuries.
    Washed up? Thats way over the top. He will be fine at SF. Its arguable the weakest position in the NBA. The only player he'd probably struggle to check is Harrison Barnes and Diaw can simply cover him.

    If Joseph can step into the backup PG role, it takes some of the play making responsibility away from Manu, also Beli and Diaw have shown they can create for others last season.

    Joseph- Beli-Manu-Diaw-Baynes/Pendergraph

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    Washed up? Thats way over the top. He will be fine at SF. Its arguable the weakest position in the NBA. The only player he'd probably struggle to check is Harrison Barnes and Diaw can simply cover him.

    If Joseph can step into the backup PG role, it takes some of the play making responsibility away from Manu, also Beli and Diaw have shown they can create for others last season.

    Joseph- Beli-Manu-Diaw-Baynes/Pendergraph
    What makes you think Baynes and Pendergraph will crack the rotation?

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    What makes you think Baynes and Pendergraph will crack the rotation?
    Bonner and Diaw seldom play together. Baynes or Pendergraph seem to be obvious choices to play backup center as a reult

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    What makes you think Baynes and Pendergraph will crack the rotation?
    the same logic that you're both are using... in assuming beli will be in rotation.

    pop isn't going to let in the newbs. unless they beast in preseason. and i'll confess i wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them does. but pops presumed bench is going to be the devil he knows. it's joseph, decolo, manu, diaw/bonner, baynes. beli is decolo/manu insurance, maybe joseph. but mills. pendergraph is baynes insurance. maybe bonner/diaw insurance. especially if all his 123 lineups tend to brick it up.

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    Washed up? Thats way over the top. He will be fine at SF. Its arguable the weakest position in the NBA. The only player he'd probably struggle to check is Harrison Barnes and Diaw can simply cover him.

    If Joseph can step into the backup PG role, it takes some of the play making responsibility away from Manu, also Beli and Diaw have shown they can create for others last season.

    Joseph- Beli-Manu-Diaw-Baynes/Pendergraph
    and yeah i'm being a little over the top. but seriously, manu may not play 20 games this year. even with reduced role and minutes.

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    I agree. But they didn't really need a 3rd star. Big 3's aren't essential for a championship. You really only need a bona fide superstar (Paul) and an star (Griffin) along with a lot of nice complementary pieces.


    Rivers is the second best coach in the league (IMO). They need Jordan to become that big you mentioned because they invested $10 million a season in him. Griffin needs to hit mid range jumper (of course, after tearing down and rebuilding his mechanics) Neither Griffin or Jordan can hit free throws another big issue.

    3rd is where I peg them unless Houston or GSW are actually better than everyone expects.
    They do. Paul and Griffin, as good as they are, aren't Durant and Westbrook. They can't handle a virtually unlimited workload, nor consistently score with the volume those two do.

    I can't imagine Jordan becoming what they need, not in tandem with Griffin, at least. Even if Griffin takes another step forward offensively, they're probably always going to be a poor fit together offensively. This won't matter all that much in the regular season, but in the playoffs, especially late in games, it'll be costly.

    It's not out of the question that, with some minor tweaking and luck, they still could win a championship, but not utilizing Bledsoe to fill one of those two major holes probably seals their ceiling being set at an outside chance.


    As far as the rotation, it seems everyone assumes they'll play ten, probably in large part due to the success of the bench two seasons ago, but that was an anomaly. More likely, we'll probably see what we saw much of last season, which was nine and a half, with the half being situational/spot minutes going to either Bonner or Pendergraph.

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    Gery Woelfel ‏@GeryWoelfel Told by sources Bucks in the market for established small forward. They made a run at Caron Butler last month. Will they again?

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    Gery Woelfel ‏@GeryWoelfel Told by sources Bucks in the market for established small forward. They made a run at Caron Butler last month. Will they again?
    Where is Caron Butler right now? Is he still with the Clippers?

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