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I thought he was traded, just wasn't sure as I didn't care that much at the time, thanks.
Are the Suns looking to offload him?
Suns. He was the ballast in that Bledsoe trade.
I thought he was traded, just wasn't sure as I didn't care that much at the time, thanks.
Are the Suns looking to offload him?
Possibly. He's going into the last year of a 3-year contract. If the Suns are tanking, it might make sense to package him for picks, or even simply to hold on to him and let him walk if they don't get what they are looking for.
I doubt they'll be looking to add more salary or take on longer-term contracts given they've pretty much punted this upcoming season away.
Stein just tweeted that Butler to Milwaukee is all but confirmed.
http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/pa...mith-kravtsov/
The Suns have agreed to trade Butler, a Racine, Wis., native, to the Milwaukee Bucks for point guard Ish Smith and center Slava Kravtsov about seven weeks after they acquired Butler and hailed him as a veteran influence for the youthful Suns and part of the future. The Suns gain $5.65 million of cap space for any potential in-season trades but also save that money to make an expected costly waiver of Michael Beasley more palatable.
What I find interesting is the timing of this trade and how it's linked with a Beasley waiving. The stretch provision repar ion change on September 1st. Beasley will cost $6M this year and has $3M guaranteed next season. If he is waived and stretched before September 1st, his salary would have been split into $1.8M per year over 5 years. If he is waived and stretched after September 1st, his cap hit will be $6M for this year and after that $1M over 3 years. If Suns were waiting September 1st to use the stretch provision instead of just waiving him without stretching his contract, it means they are interested in getting 2014 cap space.
For Spurs, first there are the Beasley case. Should Spurs makes that crazy gamble? Second, and maybe more interesting is Marcin Gortat. Spurs could offer Suns to open them some 2014 cap space by taking a player like Gerald Green at the cost of Marcin Gortat. A trade like Bonner + De Colo + Baynes for Gortat + Green would make some sense for both teams. It might not be enough to entice Suns but Spurs can improve their offer with picks/rights to players.
Edit: forget that trade idea. Salaries doesn't match. I shouldn't have trusted realgm trade machine on that one.
Last edited by Bruno; 08-29-2013 at 07:39 PM.
Knowing the Spurs, they are not going to sign Beasley.. this is the kind of gamble that they never take. I mean, a drug abuser?
Gortat + Green makes sense but I guess the Spurs wouldn't want to disturb the center rotation between Duncan & Splitter and would be more keen to pick up a PF/SF backup if they are dumping Bonner.
Butler going to Milwaukee makes it less likely (but definitely not impossible) that he gets bought out after the trade deadline. There are still other candidates like Ariza who could be let go mid-season for the Spurs to target, but this trade could be a signal to the team that waiting may not be the best option for the 15th spot. The Spurs may be inclined to take on another guaranteed contract. If they need to make a roster spot, at least one of Mills and De Colo would be moved. This may even be likely, since considering moving both of them would completely explain why the Spurs are interested in Ivey.
I don't think the Spurs would hesitate for a second to add Gortat if the deal is relatively good. He should be able to play with Diaw and even Splitter for stretches, and having three seven-footers with that much talent would definitely put the Spurs as the favorites to come out of the West. In the very least, he'll be about the best trade piece out there at the deadline.
I've said my piece about Beasley already in the Think Tank: When he's on, he's one of the biggest mis-matches in the league. If Pop could get his head right, he'd be the answer to almost all of the team's problems. But there's just no way that we can expect to see that from him. Good news is, since Beasley's salary off-sets once he's waived, whoever signs him might be able to get away with just giving him a training-camp invite. If Beasley's going to have a productive year, it will be because he has something to prove.
It really depend on how Spurs/Pop wants to mainly use Splitter. Either they can have him mainly paired with Duncan or they can have him as his backup. Both cases have edges and drawback.
The logic behind pairing Duncan with Splitter as much as possible is that they have been a terrific pair last season. Splitter was at his best alongside Tim. When he was playing without him, he wasn't the needed anchor defensively and on the boards. The logic behind having Splitter as Tim's backup is that the Splitter/Duncan combo can't really work when teams go small. When players like Lebron, Durant, Parsons or Barnes' (the Clippers one and the Warriors one) will play PF, Pop will likely have to put Splitter on the bench. Having Splitter as Tim's backup will ensure that he always get some minutes regardless of the matchup.
With Gortat where would Diaw fit the rotation? Would he play more back-up SF minutes? And it doesn't sound like either Splitter or Gortat would get any more than 30 min a game. I'm guess you envision Splitter subbed in for Gortat early in the game, then Gortat anchoring the second unit defensively.
Last edited by chrhawk; 08-29-2013 at 07:57 AM.
Diaw at SF sucks.
I would go basically with Spurs playing with two frontcourt pairs: Duncan/Splitter for about 28mpg and Diaw/Gortat for the other 20 mpg.
Last edited by Bruno; 08-29-2013 at 08:40 AM.
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No, it seals the deal: He won't be getting bought out and there was never a chance Ariza would. Both teams are serious about making the playoffs, don't have much margin for error and neither has enough proven quality depth on the wings (in the Bucks' case, specifically at SF) to where they can afford to cut either lose.
I actually think this is good news though, because now they can't wait on Butler, who was always going to be a long shot anyway. Hopefully they smarten up and realize that there is no Diaw on the horizon and that they need to be proactive.
If they can get Gortat for relatively little and simultaneously keep him away from some other contender, then despite the fact that he'd limit their flexibility (they wouldn't play him next to Splitter), I could see it. He'd be excellent Splitter insurance in the playoffs and if they end up preferring him, then they could re-sign him and utilize Splitter as the centerpiece of a trade for another significant piece.
Not a chance the Spurs would touch Beasley and he'd be a poor fit anyway, since he's an awful defender.
I agree with this entirely. And the Spurs are going to play a lot of small-ball next season, especially the 2nd unit. It should be more than clear right now. Manu will be the backup SF most of the time.
I don't think it seals the deal. Many buyouts are the result of teams not meeting their expectations and letting their good players go after failing to trade them. So if Washington or Milwaukee has a horrible year, they definitely could be inclined to buy their small-forwards out (especially Ariza, who could be traded or waived anyway). As you said, they have no margins of error, and it wouldn't take a lot for them to be in the lottery next June.
I agree that the Spurs should look for a permanent solution for their backup three if they aren't satisfied with Ginobili filling that role. They probably need one in case Leonard gets injured, anyway. I think getting a player like Childress would be the best move, because if he can get his Hawks form back, he'll not only compete with Belinelli and Ginobili for wing minutes, but he'll also give the Spurs another small-ball option at the four. He did pretty well there early in his career. If it takes giving him a little more guaranteed money than they were willing to give when they thought Butler was a reasonable future option, so be it.
Gortat is a streaky outside shooter. Two years ago (with Nash), he shot 44 percent from 16-23 feet. But besides that, he hasn't shot better than 43 percent from that range his whole career. If the team thinks good coaching and a stronger system can get his range to be reliable, then I think he can play next to Splitter. It's actually Duncan/Gortat which is more troubling to me, as neither one seems mobile enough to defend fours. Not that we need to rehash all this Gortat mania after than red-herring thread last month.
Beasley's team stats are just abysmal. That should be concerning to any team that wants to sign him. I don't think he's going to ever be a plus player in the league, but if Pop brought him in, then I would trust that he could make something work.
Gortat? Since when did the Spurs renew interest in him? He was off their radar once they inked Splitter and they don't have the pieces that would interest the Suns other than a possible 2014 1st round draft pick. That won't nearly be enough.
I don't disagree at all. I was responding to someone earlier in the thread who questioned getting Gortat even if the Spurs could do it. I don't think they'd be willing to give up enough to get him, but if he were cheap, the team would be crazy to pass it up.
Cheap is the key word here. Hopefully they don't trade away this coming draft pick because a really decent player could easily fall in the draft to them no matter what position the Spurs end up drafting at.
Yeah, but from 6 or 7 through 11 in the East, those teams are so close that only injuries completely derailing their season probably separates them enough (especially before March 1st, the date by which players must be released to be eligible for the playoffs) for any one of them to really be out of the race.
I don't think they necessarily need a true backup SF for the rotation, as Ginobili and Green should be sufficient most of the time. The problem is more for depth purposes, in case Leonard is injured or in foul trouble. Basically, they need an SF version of Mills: Someone good enough to play if necessary, but willing to accept not being a rotation player.
In select match-ups, Gortat might be able to play next to Splitter, but I don't think Pop would utilize it. In terms of the asking price for Gortat, I don't think it would cost as much as many would think (adding a future 1st to the suggested package could be enough). The Jazz supposedly couldn't get quality assets at the deadline for Jefferson and Millsap, unless there was undesirable long term salary attached.
Why we didn't go after Butler?
Because Butler would not likely have agreed to becoming a backup SF.
So basically the opposite of Stephen Jackson, right?
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i think beasley would be a good buy out pick up. if that goes down. but ill admit i dont expect the signing. based on blatche. the spurs arent interested in trouble.
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