T-Mac on First Take right now..

[ElNono]

I was rooting for TMac, but his grand total of 31 minutes against absolutely garbage talent didn't really show anything... retirement isn't really a surprise.

[therealtruth]

Yeah so why is a younger McGrady not signed to an NBA team if he was good enough to play against Lebron in game 6 or 7 in the NBA finals? Maybe because every GM in the NBA doesn't see what you see?

It's pretty stupid to judge a player based on garbage minutes. Blair was impressive in garbage minutes. Does that mean he's a good player?

[admiralsnackbar]

It's pretty stupid to judge a player based on garbage minutes. Blair was impressive in garbage minutes. Does that mean he's a good player?

Thanks for the laugh.

[cd98]

And you....with Popnand the rest....can't see what my ten-year old daughter sees. Manu sucks.

HE

COULD

NOT

EVEN

DRIBBLE

THE

BALL.




Are you blind? Everyone talks about Willie Mays' supposed stumbling in the outfield. A total wive's tale....fwiw. Manu made that pale in comparison with his horrific performance. TMac would not have shamed himself like that.

McGrady was excellent as a facilitator in his time on the court. Assists. Blocks. Few turnovers. A team player. A SPURS TEAM PLAYER....not a Heat team player.


You people are delusional.

Ginoboli scored 18 points in game 7 of the NBA finals. I think he can dribble. McGrady couldn't score in garbage minutes. Back to my point, though, every GM in the league passed on McGrady who is 34 I think. If he was a facilitator that was good enough to play in the NBA, he would have been signed at least for the minimum. As for Manu, I have no doubt that if the Spurs didn't sign him, he'd have 29 other teams that would, even at his age and decline on skills bc he is still a quality NBA player.

[DMC]

Whatever hate you have for whichever player, neither Manu nor TMac belong anywhere on the floor during crunch time these days. Sad to say, but the Spurs only have TP as a crunch time guy. Green isn't that guy, Leonard might be but he's relegated to the corner where it's scraps mostly, and the new guys haven't played a minute so we don't know about them. We can argue which washed up player needs more minutes, but the run stops at some point. It might not be a trend, but more like a Li battery that just dies.

[Skull-1]

Whatever hate you have for whichever player, neither Manu nor TMac belong anywhere on the floor during crunch time these days. Sad to say, but the Spurs only have TP as a crunch time guy. Green isn't that guy, Leonard might be but he's relegated to the corner where it's scraps mostly, and the new guys haven't played a minute so we don't know about them. We can argue which washed up player needs more minutes, but the run stops at some point. It might not be a trend, but more like a Li battery that just dies.

Hard to argue with this....

[Skull-1]

Ginoboli scored 18 points in game 7 of the NBA finals. I think he can dribble.

How many turnovers in the fourth quarter?


Did you not see him staggering and stumbling in Game 2?

[rick1991]

Whatever hate you have for whichever player, neither Manu nor TMac belong anywhere on the floor during crunch time these days. Sad to say, but the Spurs only have TP as a crunch time guy. Green isn't that guy, Leonard might be but he's relegated to the corner where it's scraps mostly, and the new guys haven't played a minute so we don't know about them. We can argue which washed up player needs more minutes, but the run stops at some point. It might not be a trend, but more like a Li battery that just dies.

What about Duncan?

[szkorhetz]

How many turnovers in the fourth quarter?


Did you not see him staggering and stumbling in Game 2?

Game 6?

[Skull-1]

Game 6?

Game 7....

[cd98]

It's kind of funny because few people are going to argue that Ginoboli played well. If you want to say he played bad in several of the games, that is beyond dispute. Where the anti-Manu crowd becomes laughable is when they assert that Tracy McGrady should have replaced Ginoboli. I've yet to hear one coach, GM, analyst, or sportswriter make that argument. Only people that appear to be less informed think McGrady has anything left. I'm not so much defending Manu as criticizing the stupidity of thinking that (a) the Spurs would be better with McGrady playing over Manu; or (b) that McGrady has anything left to offer the NBA.

And I'm yet to hear why McGrady was playing in China last year instead of being on an NBA roster. I'm also yet to hear why McGrady is retiring when the McGrady worshipers contend that he could have done something against Lebron James and Dwayne Wade in game 6 or 7 of the NBA finals, or even that he could have done better than Ginoboli (or at least not as bad). That's laughable. Lebron or Wade would destroy what is now a slow-footed and grounded Tracy McGrady. He has nothing left, unless it's in the China leagues. Ginoboli, as subpar as he played, could have signed with any team in the NBA this offseason, I'd bet. Maybe not for his current salary, but at least for the league minimum, and teams that had more money would have offered more. Tracy McGrady could not. Not evenf or the mimimum. That should be the end of the argument.

[Skull-1]

It's kind of funny because few people are going to argue that Ginoboli played well. If you want to say he played bad in several of the games, that is beyond dispute. Where the anti-Manu crowd becomes laughable is when they assert that Tracy McGrady should have replaced Ginoboli. I've yet to hear one coach, GM, analyst, or sportswriter make that argument. Only people that appear to be less informed think McGrady has anything left. I'm not so much defending Manu as criticizing the stupidity of thinking that (a) the Spurs would be better with McGrady playing over Manu; or (b) that McGrady has anything left to offer the NBA.

And I'm yet to hear why McGrady was playing in China last year instead of being on an NBA roster. I'm also yet to hear why McGrady is retiring when the McGrady worshipers contend that he could have done something against Lebron James and Dwayne Wade in game 6 or 7 of the NBA finals, or even that he could have done better than Ginoboli (or at least not as bad). That's laughable. Lebron or Wade would destroy what is now a slow-footed and grounded Tracy McGrady. He has nothing left, unless it's in the China leagues. Ginoboli, as subpar as he played, could have signed with any team in the NBA this offseason, I'd bet. Maybe not for his current salary, but at least for the league minimum, and teams that had more money would have offered more. Tracy McGrady could not. Not evenf or the mimimum. That should be the end of the argument.

McGrady would have had to screw up royally to do worse than Manu did. I just don't see TMac turning it over eight times in Game Six.....or four times in the fourth of Game 7.....or stumbling and staggering like a drunken sailor in Game 2. Manu wasn't just bad, he was epically horrendous.

[DMC]

What about Duncan?

What about him?

[xmas1997]

Sorry to see TMac go. Too bad he couldn't have gotten a ring to retire on.
I actually thought the Spurs might bring him back one more time.

[rick1991]

What about him?

You said: "the Spurs only have TP as a crunch time guy" .... so is TD not a crunch time guy?

[DMC]

You said: "the Spurs only have TP as a crunch time guy" .... so is TD not a crunch time guy?

No. You don't give the ball Tim Duncan atop the key and expect him to make a play.

[DMC]

It's kind of funny because few people are going to argue that Ginoboli played well. If you want to say he played bad in several of the games, that is beyond dispute. Where the anti-Manu crowd becomes laughable is when they assert that Tracy McGrady should have replaced Ginoboli. I've yet to hear one coach, GM, analyst, or sportswriter make that argument. Only people that appear to be less informed think McGrady has anything left. I'm not so much defending Manu as criticizing the stupidity of thinking that (a) the Spurs would be better with McGrady playing over Manu; or (b) that McGrady has anything left to offer the NBA.

And I'm yet to hear why McGrady was playing in China last year instead of being on an NBA roster. I'm also yet to hear why McGrady is retiring when the McGrady worshipers contend that he could have done something against Lebron James and Dwayne Wade in game 6 or 7 of the NBA finals, or even that he could have done better than Ginoboli (or at least not as bad). That's laughable. Lebron or Wade would destroy what is now a slow-footed and grounded Tracy McGrady. He has nothing left, unless it's in the China leagues. Ginoboli, as subpar as he played, could have signed with any team in the NBA this offseason, I'd bet. Maybe not for his current salary, but at least for the league minimum, and teams that had more money would have offered more. Tracy McGrady could not. Not evenf or the mimimum. That should be the end of the argument.

What's even crazier is that you cannot spell Ginobili.

[Skull-1]

What's even crazier is that you cannot spell Ginobili.

LOL

[anakha]

No. You don't give the ball Tim Duncan atop the key and expect him to make a play.

To be fair, simply giving a player the ball at the top of the key and letting him create has been something the Spurs have tried to avoid in their crunchtime plays.

Two distinct examples of this would be Parker's game winner against OKC and Duncan's game winner against LAC. Both shots went up after some misdirection done prior to either player getting the ball.

[DMC]

To be fair, simply giving a player the ball at the top of the key and letting him create has been something the Spurs have tried to avoid in their crunchtime plays.

Not if we are ahead.

Two distinct examples of this would be Parker's game winner against OKC and Duncan's game winner against LAC. Both shots went up after some misdirection done prior to either player getting the ball.

You're talking about someone taking the last shot. That's not the same as having someone who can handle the ball in crunch time situations. Any decent spot up shooter can receive the ball and shoot it in late game situations.

[Indazone]

I think T-Mac could have scored. He was never given a chance and when he was in garbage minutes, he passed off. Put him in and give him the green light and I"m sure he would have produced. But that was not to be as Pop decided to go with the horses that brought him there. Was hoping he'd get a roster spot on the Spurs next season to show what he could do.