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    Really why does everything come back to Kirby comparisons. No wonder the Laker trolls embarrass you on a daily basis. You weak, kid.
    When you live in LA, you hear it quite a bit.

    when do I get "embarrassed?" Do tell. Link, anything. I'm intrigued

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    Durant in 6 years has made 1 finals, where he was embarrassed.

    Lebron in his first 6 years made 1 finals and was embarrassed.

    How come nobody is making Durant rings jokes and calling him a choker who can't succeed when the pressure is on? Oh, because he's not the best player in the league threatening Kobe's legacy...
    durant averaged 33 ppg on 53% shooting in the Finals while Lebron shot like under 40% in 07 and got swept, the Heat were stacked and Harden played like .

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    durant averaged 33 ppg on 53% shooting in the Finals while Lebron shot like under 40% in 07 and got swept, the Heat were stacked and Harden played like .
    what happens if harden was already and the he was doing in the earlier rounds were not gettin called in the finals...

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    Westbrook isn't underrated, nor overrated, tbh..

    People that thought the Thunder were better off without Westbrook are idiots, tbh..OKC has built a team around his strengths, despite Durant being by far the 2nd best player in the NBA..Ibaka's offense is virtually useless without Westbrook on the floor, and he allows every other player on the team to successfully fill their role..this has been obvious for 2 years, yet half of the NBA-following population believed OKC could thrive without Westbrook's shot selection/decision making..

    Players like Westbrook are unfairly criticized for certain flaws of their game, when in reality, on a team like OKC, they don't have a coach to actually run effective plays, nor do they have an alpha to regulate Westbrook, tbh..he's a relatively inefficient player that takes bad shots, but he's on a team that forces him to post a high usage volume, tbh..

    Westbrook is a top 8-10 player in the NBA, tbh..

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    Westbrook is criticized for the same reason Kobe gets criticized. he does certain things that can hamper his team's chances. doesn't mean the team is better off without them. just that they make infuriating decisions that are blatantly obvious. westbrook can get too jumper-happy at times, especially when its really early in the shot clock during transition.

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    RW over dribbles, doesn't see teammates until he's completely out of options and is a cancer to his team for that reason. They are better without him. They need a pass first PG, good perimeter defense and someone to rest Ibaka (or him to rest someone).

    Oh.. and a coach.
    Better without him? WEll who are we replacing him with? If you think the team is better just removing him from the roster and going with Jackson and Fisher, you'd probably have a pretty good claim on the most re ed NBA fan in existence. Now...if you wanna swap in Harden or a number of other players for him..then ok, I might can see your point.

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    Better without him? WEll who are we replacing him with? If you think the team is better just removing him from the roster and going with Jackson and Fisher, you'd probably have a pretty good claim on the most re ed NBA fan in existence. Now...if you wanna swap in Harden or a number of other players for him..then ok, I might can see your point.
    They need a pass first PG, good perimeter defense and someone to rest Ibaka (or him to rest someone).

    Oh.. and a coach.

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    They need a pass first PG, good perimeter defense and someone to rest Ibaka (or him to rest someone).

    Oh.. and a coach.
    Fair enough, but why do you say someone to rest Ibaka? He played 31 minutes a game last year. Do you just feel OKC has noone off the bench worth a damn to rest him? I think Ibaka is really a guy that could take off. I think his ceiling is still pretty high. OKC will need to utilize him more offensively and he'll need to develop more of an offensive game other than just pick and pop set jump shots. We'll see. I really hope Adams develops quickly. He's looked fairly solid in summer league. I just feel Brooks is way too stubborn in his use of Perkins.

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    Fair enough, but why do you say someone to rest Ibaka? He played 31 minutes a game last year. Do you just feel OKC has noone off the bench worth a damn to rest him? I think Ibaka is really a guy that could take off. I think his ceiling is still pretty high. OKC will need to utilize him more offensively and he'll need to develop more of an offensive game other than just pick and pop set jump shots. We'll see. I really hope Adams develops quickly. He's looked fairly solid in summer league. I just feel Brooks is way too stubborn in his use of Perkins.
    I basically just copied and pasted what I said in the other post that you already quoted. OKC doesn't need someone who's been in the league for xxx number of years and hasn't taken off. They need a true center. Either a real one so you can play inside out (which maximizes your perimeter shooting) or outside in (which currently doesn't work well for you).

    There's not many good post up players in the game as far as centers are concerned but there are a couple. You guys rely too heavily on Durant and your PG to score all the points. It sticks out like a turd in a punch bowl. Just look at the box scores for OKC, rarely more than 3 people in double digits.

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    If Westbrook was healthy the Thunder still would've gotten eliminated by the Grizzlies. Westbrook is not a Grizzlies killer.

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    If Westbrook was healthy the Thunder still would've gotten eliminated by the Grizzlies. Westbrook is not a Grizzlies killer.
    He would have helped OKC's defense and he would have taken some load off KD on the offensive end and Ibaka wouldn't have been so . Grizzlies would have lost in 5-6 games.

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    I basically just copied and pasted what I said in the other post that you already quoted. OKC doesn't need someone who's been in the league for xxx number of years and hasn't taken off. They need a true center. Either a real one so you can play inside out (which maximizes your perimeter shooting) or outside in (which currently doesn't work well for you).

    There's not many good post up players in the game as far as centers are concerned but there are a couple. You guys rely too heavily on Durant and your PG to score all the points. It sticks out like a turd in a punch bowl. Just look at the box scores for OKC, rarely more than 3 people in double digits.
    I agree. KD and RW are so good that OKC can be a very good team as is, but to get to the next level, there needs to be more versatility offensively. Thabo will hit an open 3 at a decent rate. Ibaka hits the set perimeter shot basically as well as anyone in the entire league, but Perkins is an offensive liability and OKC has had no frontcourt players over the years that is any threat offesively, save for the athletic putbacks from an Ibaka or dish offs to the likes of Collison after defenses collapse. I cannot figure out why Ibaka is not isolated more on the block. Is he Hakeem? No, but the guy surely could master at least a moderately effective post game. Anxious to see how Adams develops. HE seems to have some potential.

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    Adams? I'd like to be wrong partner but he's basically a big white stiff.

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    Adams? I'd like to be wrong partner but he's basically a big white stiff.
    What?! He's got a killer motor and is a very mobile 7 footer. He looked pretty good in summer league. Obviously you don't put too much into what a guy does in summer league and its possible he could be a bust but he shows he has some pretty good tools. He has good hands, decent touch, and could run circles around Perkins.

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    Steven Adams looks way better than I expected him to. After a solid game on Tuesday where he shot 4-5 from the floor for 11 points and six rebounds, he followed that up with a 4-5 shooting performance for 13 points, five rebounds, two blocks and a game-high +17. Granted, he’s defending something called an Arnett Moultrie and not Nikola Pekovic or Al Jefferson, but he clearly has the makings of a very good defender. He doesn’t overhelp, he doesn’t get lost in rotations much, he doesn’t over-eagerly try and block everything from the weakside. He keeps his feet on the ground and mostly just uses his length and size to contest and defend. His screening has been very good and even some of his scoring has been surprisingly impressive. He hit a smooth mid-range jumper from the free throw line and a few baby hooks from the block. Now, he’s not going to be someone the Thunder are posting up and running offense for, but remember, this guy is a baby just taking steps toward (hopefully) something bigger.

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    He would have helped OKC's defense and he would have taken some load off KD on the offensive end and Ibaka wouldn't have been so . Grizzlies would have lost in 5-6 games.
    Last 7 games against the Grizzlies, Westbrook is shooting 35% from the field. 36% last season and 34% the season before. Last season Westbrook took 61 shots and scored 58 points against the Grizzlies. That's not going to get it done. Especially when the guy is going to be taking shots way from the more efficient Kevin Durant.

    Let's not blame Westbrook for Ibaka's struggles. If you're missing open shots and point blank dunks that's on you. That has nothing to do with Westbrook.

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