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    Obama asks Congress to approve military strike against Syria
    Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:10pm EDT
    By Roberta Rampton and Jeff Mason

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
    President Barack Obama stepped back from the brink on Saturday and delayed an imminent military strike against Syria to seek approval from the U.S. Congress in a gamble that will test his ability to project American strength abroad and deploy his own power at home.

    Before Obama put on the brakes, the path had been cleared for a U.S. assault. Navy ships were in place and awaiting orders to launch missiles, and U.N. inspectors had left Syria after gathering evidence of a chemical weapons attack that U.S. officials say killed 1,429 people.

    But Obama decided to seek the backing of U.S. lawmakers before attacking, as polls showed strong opposition from Americans already weary of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Approval will take at least 10 days, if it comes at all.

    "Today I'm asking Congress to send a message to the world that we are ready to move as one nation," Obama said in a dramatic shift he announced in the White House Rose Garden.
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    Putin -slapping war criminal Obama lol

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    Obama is a neocon disguised as a liberal. What a piece of .

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    SA210 loves him some Putin.

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    CCC buildigns will likely be hit, but I would guess that more likely targets will be air assets. Helicopters, airfields, AAA, ADA, and the like.

    I think that what will be targeted will be similar to what happened in Libya. The kinds of heavy weapons and air power that give the Assad government the upper hand when fighting lightly armed rebels.

    The most logical thing here would be to seriously degrade Assad's military capabilities.



    This is, to me, the most logical outcome.

    Congress OK or no, I am pretty sure something will be done.

    Assad has called, and we will get to see what Obama is holding.
    And thus forcing Assad to turn to more unconvetional weapons like wmds, making this action a double fail of not only not making anything better, but also making it much worse.

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    SA210 loves him some Putin.
    Putin is the greatest leader of this generation. Only a pussy would disagree imo

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    Putin is the greatest leader of this generation. Only a pussy would disagree imo
    I don't have to like the asshole to agree he's a great header. I didn't like Clinton either, but he was a great leader.

    Leaders can be good or bad.

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    I don't have to like the asshole to agree he's a great header. I didn't like Clinton either, but he was a great leader.

    Leaders can be good or bad.

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    Putin is the greatest leader of this generation. Only a pussy would disagree imo
    Yeah.

    He has been great at squashing opponents. Hitler was a great leader as was Mao. Look where that got them.
    Idiot. Russia has more mineral and land wealth than any country and they cannot even feed their own people. The inefficiency of Russia is something to behold. Leader... Yes indeed. Holding on to power makes a GREAT leader. Maybe Obama can become a great leader by winning a third and fourth term and dissolve the cons ution while he is at it?

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    Putin -slapping war criminal Obama lol

    Do you suck his teats while his shirt is off?

    There are lots of opportunities.

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    I don't have to like Putin to know he just dropped some truth bombs on neo con war criminal Obama, tbh.

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    I don't have to like Putin
    but it helps.

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    Obama puts politics over morals in abdicating presidential authority in Syria

    By MICHAEL GOODWIN
    Last Updated: 9:45 AM, September 1, 2013
    Posted: 12:33 AM, September 1, 2013

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...wZeF7fJFOTbqsM

    As the scheduled time for President Obama’s address on Syria came and went yesterday, reporters in the Rose Garden could see him through the Oval Office windows, talking on the telephone.

    He was probably talking to political guru David Axelrod about the latest polls — just before he demanded that Congress rise above partisanship.

    You don’t have to be a cynic to scoff at Obama’s claim that his sudden decision to seek approval for a military strike shows his loyalty to the Cons ution. In truth, it is all about saving his own bacon. He talked himself into no-man’s land and is now desperately seeking an escape hatch.


    Boxed in from the left and right, at home and abroad, heckled as a hypocrite and a flip-flopper, he didn’t have a single friend, let alone a coalition. So he kicked the can to Congress and challenged its members to make the unpopular decision he’s not willing to make as commander in chief.

    The 11th-hour reversal is a Gilda Radner moment — “Never mind!” She did it as comedy; Obama does it as farce.

    For the last week, White House aides have engaged in relentless fear mongering about the dangers of inaction and delay. Even yesterday, Obama warned that Bashar al-Assad is a global menace, said the use of chemical weapons is a moral outrage that must be punished and warned that potential proliferation is a grave threat to our national security and our allies.

    And then he said . . . But.

    Or, as the professor in chief put it, he’s decided a military strike is necessary and that he has the authority to launch one, but insists a strike “is not time-sensitive.”

    “It will be effective tomorrow, next week or one month from now,” he declared. That silly, happy talk bears no relation to the reality that Syrian troops were said to be moving chemical weapons to protected sites even as Obama spoke. Whatever plans our military has cannot possibly survive a delay of weeks or months.


    Obama’s casual abandonment of the urgency that Secretary of State John Kerry had articulated so forcefully Friday also happens to be convenient for him. The president’s failure to summon Congress for an emergency session is surely tied to the fact that Obama leaves Tuesday for a European summit and won’t return to Washington until next Friday.

    He couldn’t very well demand a congressional debate on what he describes as a crucial test of Western values while he’s out of the country. Note that he didn’t think the issue was important enough for him to skip the international gabfest.

    So, in the end, he concocted a Rubik’s Cube strategy designed to make him look both tough and principled while also protecting him politically: Preen about morality, delay action and hand the responsibility to somebody else. That way he’ll have a handy scapegoat if it all goes south.

    If Congress, like Britain’s Parliament, says no, well then, what can Obama do? And if Congress says yes, then he’s not alone in the foxhole.

    In its own way, his strategic concoction perfectly reflects who and what he is as a president — clever without being wise. He’s got an answer for everything and a solution for nothing.

    Remember, Obama put himself in this no-win situation by passively watching the bodies pile up in Syria. His declaration of a “red line” on chemical weapons aimed to make him look resolute but it amounted, as Sen. John McCain said, to a green light on wholesale slaughter with every other kind of weapon.

    So it was no surprise that Assad, in a fight to the death, crossed the red line. In fact, reports say he has done it more than a dozen times.

    He did it without fear of the United States and has been proven right. Indeed, Obama’s statement last week that the military strike he had planned would only be a “shot across the bow” would have been a pointless provocation. Assad would have survived and rallied his troops and jihadists against the US “invasion.”

    Now that Obama has blinked on even a limited strike, Assad will claim victory, secure that he’s free to keep the slaughter going.

    The rebels and the innocents will have to look elsewhere for a savior.

    You can also bet that Iran, North Korea and all other genocidal maniacs celebrated the president’s punt. They know, better than he, that abdication of leadership is not easily reversed.

    At one point yesterday, Obama noted that: “Out of the ashes of world war, we built an international order and enforced the rules that gave it meaning.”


    He’s right about that but seems not to understand that the global order is crumbling largely because America is no longer willing to enforce the rules.

    Or, more to the point, that America’s current president is no longer willing to enforce the rules.

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    lol now you don't want congressional approval.

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    lol now you don't want congressional approval.
    Go back and read the last couple of pages if you really care to know my arguments.

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    So you just posted that article for no reason?

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    So you just posted that article for no reason?
    The author pretty much concurred what I've been posting here about the situation. I just wanted to post his article here in order to lay the groundwork for a lawsuit when I sue the bas for plagiarism.

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    genocidal maniacs.

    the only genocidal maniacs are the Bush including the adoptive Saudi son Bandar Bush Bin Satan

    USA is nothing but a puppet of the Saudi-Israeli coalition

    "Saudi is on board with the attacks" - John Kerry

    they won't even let US refuel or take off their jets from Saudi

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    "France cannot go it alone,"French Interior Minister Manuel Valls told Europe 1 radio. "We need a coalition."

    France. cannot lift a finger without daddy USA behind them

    what a joke of a nation France is
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    France used to be a badass country. What the happened? Obama just needs to give up and accept defeat. This is a cluster and he knows it. He needs to just forget about trying to nation build in Syria.

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    France used to be a badass country. What the happened? Obama just needs to give up and accept defeat. This is a cluster and he knows it. He needs to just forget about trying to nation build in Syria.
    A horrible civil war. The British. Napolean, Two world wars. And I believe thy are still involved in Mali right now. Apparently it sucks to be in the middle of all the action and spread yourself thin. They are an older country and have been through a of a lot more. So they know more than we do.

    Sincerely,

    Your average French citizen in full retreat

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    "France cannot go it alone,"French Interior Minister Manuel Valls told Europe 1 radio. "We need a coalition."

    France. cannot lift a finger without daddy USA behind them

    what a joke of a nation France is
    This is so wrong.
    They like to oppose us more than any in the west.
    Practically everything we do, they criticize.

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