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5 amazing passes? How about his god-knows-how-many turnovers he had in Game 6 and 7?
In before TGY and his buddies.
http://hoopshabit.com/san-antonio-sp...mazing-passes/
Interesting article about Manu and his passing ability. The article has video of the five passes the author thinks are Manu's best. It includes the between the opponents legs pass to Parker streaking down the lane in Game One against Miami that he rates as number 2. I think it is arguably number 1, especially considering the level of the compe ion in a Finals game.
I remember last year the NBA highlights had two Manu passes in the same week which I think should be some kind of record. It is always fun to watch the Argentine do his thing.
5 amazing passes? How about his god-knows-how-many turnovers he had in Game 6 and 7?
In before TGY and his buddies.
Two good passes for San Antonio. 34 good passes for Miami.
If Bowen wouldn't have blown the double behind the back pass in Manu's rookie season during the comeback run vs the Mavericks, that would have been a top two tbh. I tried to find it on Youtube but no luck.
Folks need to get over their disappointment and frustration over the Miami series. You can't forget all the entertainment Manu has given us over the years--and yes during the recent playoffs.
For the record, Basketball Reference shows that LeBron James, the greatest BB player in the world committed 70 TOs and 3.0 TO average per game during the playoffs. Manu had 55 TOs and an average of 2.6 TOs per game.
It doesn't mean that Manu is better at 35 than LeBron at 28--but he can still play with the big stars.
This is a team game and one player doesn't win or lose a game or a series by one play. Manu has been so good over the years that we have come to expect miracles from him at the end of games to pull them out.
He has been a super star and is surely headed to the Hall of Fame as a lifetime Spur. All superstars lose the battle to Father Time, but that doesn't mean we should turn on one of our own. He's earned better than that.
Reference indeed...
People also need to remember that if Tony hadn't been hurt, Manu would not have been tasked with handling the ball disproportionately more than what he had been handling it during the season... Ginobili happened to be in a funk for most of the year and this additional responsibility against such an agile Miami defense was only going to be a recipe for disaster. Even then, the Spurs ALMOST overcame Stern's wishes...
Thats a cop out.
Manu jacking up bad shots early, when we needed to burn the clock, and chucking it to the Heat or some guy in the stands, or so far off target the shooter has no chance to get a look have nothing to do with added responsibility. They have everything to do with Manu going braindead at the worst possible time.
Don't forget to account usage rate and minutes played.
And when they occurred. No turnovers in four blowouts isn't a big thing. Eight in a close game to seal a championship is.
Now they need Manus five most amazing passes (the opponents favorites)
I know I know...dead horse.
At the bottom of that link lol
Micah Galindo
I have just celebrated my 25th anniversary of being a die-hard San Antonio Spurs fan. I have been a fan of basketball in general (watching, following, playing) for just as long. Born and raised in San Antonio but now I live in the burgeoning metropolis of Abilene, Texas. I write on the Spurs and Houston Rockets. If you say anything bad about Manu Ginobili I will come find you.
^ dallasmaverickslose imo
LOL And to the post above yours....well....well........I just want to say to Micah Galindo: Manu Ginobili sucks and needs to retire. He refuses to change his game. He has lost his fire and his edge. He tarnished his legacy in the Finals and cost us a championship.
So come find me. Wimp.
Nice find.
You do realize he averaged only 3 turnovers per game in the NBA Finals. So you're overstating it a bit.
Interesting...I must have been the only person who saw that it includes his full 11 year career. not a 2 game span.
Last edited by cd021; 09-03-2013 at 12:47 PM.
Eight in game six. Four in the last bit of game seven.
Bad passes everywhere.
He was monumental in his awfulness. Stats don't capture it all but my eyes sure did.
Doesn't get any more pathetic than this, tbh
You're comparing someone who handles the ball almost exclusively for Miami who also happens to have the entire defense tripling him the whole game and still made up for it with triple doubles, defense, and his scoring output to a 36 year old who didn't have the defense keyed on him fumbling the ball away constantly for seemingly no reason (not to mention he committed a lot of crucial turnovers late in games) to go along with the disappearance of his shot and nonchalant at ude towards losing the Finals...seriously, don't compare the current GOAT of the league to Manu, it doesn't make sense to do so.
comparing a 28 yr old with one of the biggest and most athletic bodies to ever set foot on an NBA court to a 36 year old battling injuries and expecting similar production is clearly stupid.
but lets get into your argument a little bit.
first, usage rates and TO rates for the top ball handlers + duncan/leonard and bosh/miller to include the most important actors on both teams during the finals:
parker:
25.4 usage
11.4 TO
33.5 ast%
manu:
22.4 usage
23.3 TO
24.6 ast%
Neal:
18.6 usage
11.8 TO
6.0 ast%
green:
15.8 usage
9.6 TO
3.7 ast%
Duncan
25.2 usage
11.8 TO
7.4 ast%
Leonard
17.5 usage
7.4 TO
3.7ast%
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Lebron
29.7 usage
9.7 TO
30.1 ast%
wade
28.5 usage
10.5 TO
23.3ast%
chalmers
19.7 usage
19.8 TO
9.9 ast%
allen
15.2 usage
14.8 TO
8.6 ast%
Bosh
18.5
7.6
10.3 ast%
Miller
7.7
8.3
5.4 ast%
Those stats show that manu as we all know had a terrible series in terms of TO. They also show that BOTH Lebron and wade handled the ball more than EITHER manu or tony, that tony did a great job handling the ball and setting plays up w/o turning the ball over but that after him manu was the only spur making a significant contribution in that area at the cost of high turnovers. But for comparisons sake, chalmers the heats PG and the guy like manu with the 3rd highest usage rate on his team, had nowhere near the ast% but like manu a higher TO% than usage rate.
THe bottom line is that just like last year, when the game got tough the heat got more out of lebron and wade + cast than the spurs did out of tim tony and manu + cast. A lot of that is because manu didnt perform better. But its mostly because their stars are younger and were able to play more and play better.
As for triple teams and such, I think you'd be hardpressed to name more than 5 times that lebron got trapped in the entire finals series. Manu got trapped 5+ times a game. The heat most certainly did key in on manu during the finals, betting that he wasnt going to be able to flip the switch and make them pay for it by splitting. The spurs on the otherhand dared lebron to shoot all series and until game 7 it nearly worked.
This aint the time.
The no look behind the back to Blair still gives me chills when I think about it. I believe it was 09-10??
It was 09-10. The pass riffled through three 3 Lakers to Bonner is a personal favorite.
It stats don't prove your point then why use them? My stats show that even in game 7 he had a positive impact he contributed 1/3 of our offense (scoring and assists)He also stole an in bounds pass and tossed it to Green who clanked a 3 that would have given us the lead with about 2 minutes remaining.
-Duncan missed a layup that would have tied the game in the final minute.
-Leonard missed a 3 that would have given us a 1 point lead with 1:15 left
We had chances to throw it all on Manu is absolute B.S. and i'm not even a big of Manu fan.
This. Pretty much what I loved about Manu's game is that when he wasn't having a good game he would still find some other way to have a positive impact on the game. However in the Finals Manu did more bad than good and would simply be unplayable at times by most coaches. The problem really is the Spurs didn't have a 3rd ball handler and Manu was forced into extra duty. In the past we had a guy like Barry who could handle the ball and make plays. Finding that extra ball handler/playmaker is important.
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