Manu Ginobilli's Five Most Amazing Passes

[Spursfanfromafar]

Manu's career - half man, half amazing. Enjoy him while he lasts even at less than full-best at his end of career.

[Spurs7794]

I was very annoyed with Manu for the entirety of the finals this year. With that said, anytime someone bashed him to me, I defended him because his body of work from 2003-2012...you don't just ignore that. The man raises his game when the stakes are highest...this was the first time in his career that didn't happen. He deserves our respect, regardless of his performance in the 2013 finals.

Also, all this bull about him costing us the finals...we had a 5 point lead with 28 seconds left. No matter how badly he played, how injured Parker was, how old Timmy is, how soft Splitter was, how cold Green went, how mentally weak Bonner is, how stupid Blair is, how senile Pop was, WE HAD THE CHAMPIONSHIP WON. Through a combination of historically bad luck and big plays by Miami, they yanked it from us. No way in will I ever blame any one person on the team for us losing that series.

[Skull-1]

That last point could have been Kawhi but he missed it. Cause and effect... no le for the team and fans. Kawhi can admit it...why can't you?

I believe Manu missed first.

Any way, Leonard was a complete beast in Game Six. Without his incredible play we aren't even in it.

So, let us compare stat lines for the ascendant Leonard to the washed up Ginobili shall we?


CATEGORY : Leonard / Ginobili

MIN: 46 / 35
FG: 9-14 / 2-5
3PT: 1-3 / 1-3
FT: 3-4 / 4-6
REB: 11 (9 DEF) / 4 (3 DEF)
ASST: 0 / 3
STL: 3 / 1
TO: 0 / 8
PTS: 22 / 9


Manu, Mr. wonderful, missed TWO free throws, not just one, either of which would have iced the game. So I will put the blame on him double that of Leonard.

Leonard was also the only one to score in OT if I recall, or for at least a good portion of it.

As I stated before and will repeat: Leonard did more to help and less to hurt the Spurs by a considerable, overwhelming margin. Manu Hurt us far more than he helped.

Without Leonard we aren't even close.

[xmas1997]

I believe Manu missed first.

Any way, Leonard was a complete beast in Game Six. Without his incredible play we aren't even in it.

So, let us compare stat lines for the ascendant Leonard to the washed up Ginobili shall we?


CATEGORY : Leonard / Ginobili

MIN: 46 / 35
FG: 9-14 / 2-5
3PT: 1-3 / 1-3
FT: 3-4 / 4-6
REB: 11 (9 DEF) / 4 (3 DEF)
ASST: 0 / 3
STL: 3 / 1
TO: 0 / 8
PTS: 22 / 9


Manu, Mr. wonderful, missed TWO free throws, not just one, either of which would have iced the game. So I will put the blame on him double that of Leonard.

Leonard was also the only one to score in OT if I recall, or for at least a good portion of it.

As I stated before and will repeat: Leonard did more to help and less to hurt the Spurs by a considerable, overwhelming margin. Manu Hurt us far more than he helped.

Without Leonard we aren't even close.

The point isn't "who did more or less of anything", it was the WHOLE team at fault. They play as a team, and they win or lose as a team. How on earth can you be so dense and ignorant not to see and understand this point?
You can keep using Manu as the scapegoat if you want to, but it is preposterous and very few take you seriously. You sound like a broken record!

[Skull-1]

The point isn't "who did more or less of anything", it was the WHOLE team at fault. They play as a team, and they win or lose as a team. How on earth can you be so dense and ignorant not to see and understand this point?
You can keep using Manu as the scapegoat if you want to, but it is preposterous and very few take you seriously. You sound like a broken record!

Polly wanna cracker? Squawk! Shut up little boy. Manu was horrible. The rest of the team was desperately trying to overcome his mistakes. He threw Game Six away as if his kids were being held hostage or something.... Then he followed that epic failure with four turnovers in Game 4 that killed our chances of staying with Miami.

[TheGreatYacht]

Who gives a about this dumb thread. Manu will always be remembered for passing the ball to Heat players throughout the NBA Finals, especially the 8 turnovers in Game 6. Manu Turnobili... People remember the present. Only LOSERS live in the past. PERIOD.

[TheGreatYacht]

You know why he won't admit it, besides the fact he is a bandwagon fan and troll, he needs a scapegoat and Manu fits because he believes he is solely responsible which is totally irrational and ignorant. But then what can you expect from a troll?

Have people begun to notice that whenever someone posts about mistakes other Spurs made in the finals, that these idiots get mad and have to argue that it was either Pop, or Manu, or Tiago, but mainly Manu was the only one at fault?
This is totally preposterous and blindly ignorant of the facts. And even when shown clearly through statistics, they still won't acknowledge the obvious TRUTH.
That is perfect troll activity!

TRUTH = Pop and Manu are the most to blame for Game 6 loss and costing Timmy his 5th ring. IDIOTS = The Popsuckers and Manu s like yourself that insist on spreading the loss on the whole team. That's what stats are for. Granted that Manu usually does more than what the stats show but this time he did a lot worse that what the stats showed. He was a decrement to the team.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Only LOSERS live in the past. PERIOD.

LOL the irony.

God, such a contradicting, hypocritical kid it's so hilarious lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Polly wanna cracker? Squawk! Shut up little boy. Manu was horrible. The rest of the team was desperately trying to overcome his mistakes. He threw Game Six away as if his kids were being held hostage or something.... Then he followed that epic failure with four turnovers in Game 4 that killed our chances of staying with Miami.

dude we get it. You're like that redneck that dismisses facts cause you think you're smarter than everyone. You got owned on a logical standard and a ethical standard. You're just repeating yourself now, yet somehow manage to get owned by new every time.

[TheGreatYacht]

dude we get it. You're like that redneck that dismisses facts cause you think you're smarter than everyone. You got owned on a logical standard and a ethical standard. You're just repeating yourself now, yet somehow manage to get owned by new every time.

Umm... Game 6 happened not too long ago. You Manu s want to remember Manu for his past accomplishments even though they all happened 7 years ago so yeah.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Umm... Game 6 happened not too long ago. You Manu s want to remember Manu for his past accomplishments even though they all happened 7 years ago so yeah.

"Losers live in the past. ?PERIOD".

goong by your own words

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Umm... Game 6 happened not too long ago. You Manu s want to remember Manu for his past accomplishments even though they all happened 7 years ago so yeah.

Plus idiot here you go



ALL-STAR GAME IN 2011 (SEVEN YEARS AGO - IDIOT)

How about his 35 point and 26 point performance against the Thunder in 2012?
Where was our team at the end of the year without Manu? Worse streak in recent history?
How about his 30 point performance and stepback for 3 shot to save us in game 5 against Grizzles

Not far enough? Let me know if I should go further. I barely scratched the surface bro

[xmas1997]

As ElNono said to me, "so you expected to change their minds?"
Best just use these trolls for comic relief because they need a scapegoat and won't accept reality regardless of stats to the contrary. And in this case they want Manu to be their scapegoat.
They are what they are.
All you can do is laugh at them. Otherwise you fall into their trap and satisfy their trolling.

[Skull-1]

dude we get it. You're like that redneck that dismisses facts cause you think you're smarter than everyone. You got owned on a logical standard and a ethical standard. You're just repeating yourself now, yet somehow manage to get owned by new every time.

Oh REALLY? I got owned logically and ethically? I think not!

[Skull-1]

Umm... Game 6 happened not too long ago. You Manu s want to remember Manu for his past accomplishments even though they all happened 7 years ago so yeah.

All I ever hear around here is, "HEY! YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE MANU GINOBILI!! HE USED TO BE REALLY AWESOME!! YOU OWE HIM RESPECT!!!"

[xmas1997]

Oh REALLY? I got owned logically and ethically? I think not!

Truth hurts, huh troll?

[Skull-1]

Truth hurts, huh troll?

Truth only hurts when it is true. In this case: EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Sorry Hans, wrong guess.

[xmas1997]

Truth only hurts when it is true. In this case: EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Sorry Hans, wrong guess.

Maybe so, but at least we've succeeded in making a mockery of this thread which turned sour as soon as the Manu as scapegoat posters entered.
Thanks for your help here too.

[Skull-1]

Maybe so, but at least we've succeeded in making a mockery of this thread which turned sour as soon as the Manu as scapegoat posters entered.
Thanks for your help here too.

When it comes to making a mockery of things, you don't need any help... You're about as good at religion, logic, and insults as Manu was at basketball in Game 6.

[xmas1997]

When it comes to making a mockery of things, you don't need any help... You're about as good at religion, logic, and insults as Manu was at basketball in Game 6.

Keep going! Don't stop now!
You're doing a great job!

[cd021]

Umm... Game 6 happened not too long ago. You Manu s want to remember Manu for his past accomplishments even though they all happened 7 years ago so yeah.

That is a complete joke right?

11-12-Best statistical season. Career high in FG % (52.5) 3PT % (41) AND Free-throw % (87.6) He also averaged 13ppg, 3.5 rpg, and 4.5 apg in just 23 mpg. P.E.R- 24.1

10-11 season-He lead the team is scoring (17.4). The Spurs won 61 games. He broke his arm, and still averaged 20 ppg against Tony Allen in the Playoffs. P.E.R-19.0

09-10 season- Averaged 16.5 ppg, and 5 apg in just 28 mpg. His strong play allowed us to sneek in the playoffs. That was the season where Parker missed 27 games, RJ came over from Milwakeee and Duncan was on the decline (the lowest scoring and rebounding numbers of his career to that point that season. P.E.R.-21.7

Don't ignore the last three seasons, just so you can call someone "Manu s"It makes your look stupid when you're proven wrong. Ask Skull-1. He has been reduced to a complete joke by consistently refuting [irrefutable] statistics and doctoring his own to prove his point, which is incorrect to being with.

And I already I broke down Manu's turnovers in every game in the series, in this thread) His 12 turnovers only cost the 13pts. In Game 7 he scored 34 points when factoring in his points off assists and individual scoring (34% 1/3 of our total offense).

[cd021]

TRUTH = Pop and Manu are the most to blame for Game 6 loss and costing Timmy his 5th ring. IDIOTS = The Popsuckers and Manu s like yourself that insist on spreading the loss on the whole team. That's what stats are for. Granted that Manu usually does more than what the stats show but this time he did a lot worse that what the stats showed. He was a decrement to the team.

Game 1- 3 assists -8 points (2 assists for 3 pointers, from Neal and Green)

turnover

1.Bosh made 15 foot jumper=2 points

1 turnover=2 pts (Ginobili-13 pts- 8 points off assists=21 points)

Game 2- 1 Assist-2 points (to Duncan for a dunk)

Turnovers
1. Wade Misses 20 Foot Jumper=0 pts
2. Chris Anderson Made Layup=2pts
3. Allen 3pt FG-3pts

3 Turnovers=5 pts (5 pts, 2 pts off assists=7 pts)

Game-3-6 assists-15 points (3 assists for 3 pointers, 2 from Neal, & 1 for Parker)

Turnovers-
1. James makes layup=2pts
2. Miller makes 3pt FG=3pts

2 turnover for 5pts= (7 pts, 15 points off assists=21 pts)

Game 4- 2 Assists- 4 points (both assists to Duncan for layups)

Turnover

1 Wade Missed 20 foot jumper

1 turnover-0 pts (5 pts, 4 points off assists=9 pts)

Game-5-10 Assists-25 Points (4 assists for 3 pointers)

Turnovers-

1.Battier missed 3pt shot,
2. Wade Lost ball out of bounds
3. James 2 of 2 Made Free-throws=2 pts
2 pts on 3 turnovers (Ginobili 24 points, 25 points off assists=49 pts)

Game 6-3 Assists-6 Points-(2 layups for Duncan, 1 for Splitter)

1. Wade Missed 12 foot Jumper [Offensive rebound Battier Makes 3pt FG]=3 pts
2. Chalmers Travels=0 pts3. James Out of bound, T.O,=0 Pts
4.James Misses 16 Footer,=0 Pts
5. Lebron Steals and is fouled by Ginobili 2 FTM=2 Pts
6. James Misses 17 Foot jumper=0 Pts
7. James, Lost Ball, turnover,=0 Pts
8. Allen makes 2 of 2 free throws=2pts

8 turnovers 7 points off turnovers (Ginobili 9 pts, 6 pts off assists=15pts)

Game-7-5 assists, 12 points (2 assists for 3 pt 1 Leonard, 1 Diaw)
Turnovers:
1.James makes 17 Footer, =2 pts
2. James Makes 2 Free throw =2 pts
3. James Makes 1 of 2 Free-throws=1pt
4. Bosh turnover out of bounds

4 Turnovers, 5 points scored (Ginobili 18 pts, 12 points off assists=30 pts)

Totals=7 games Vs. Miami

22 Turnovers

26-Points Off Turnovers

13-Extra FGA (Additional FG attempts from Miami created off Ginobili's turnovers)

7-Made FGs off Ginobili turnovers

1.1 Points Per Shot (very bad)

Manu-

81 -Points Scored (11.6 per game)

72-Points off assists (10 points off assists per game)

30-Assisted FG (4.3 per game)


Clearly his turnovers had minimal effect. Miami only attempted 13 shots despite 22 Ginobili turnovers and only connected on 7 in 7 games. Conversely Manu's points off assists factored in with his points scored actually contributed 21.8 PPG or 22.3 % of the spurs overall offense in the series while playing only 58% of the time in the series.


I had to repost my own post just to shown how incorrect you are that Manu cost us a le.

Enjoy explaining this one...

[xmas1997]

That is a complete joke right?

11-12-Best statistical season. Career high in FG % (52.5) 3PT % (41) AND Free-throw % (87.6) He also averaged 13ppg, 3.5 rpg, and 4.5 apg in just 23 mpg. P.E.R- 24.1

10-11 season-He lead the team is scoring (17.4). The Spurs won 61 games. He broke his arm, and still averaged 20 ppg against Tony Allen in the Playoffs. P.E.R-19.0

09-10 season- Averaged 16.5 ppg, and 5 apg in just 28 mpg. His strong play allowed us to sneek in the playoffs. That was the season where Parker missed 27 games, RJ came over from Milwakeee and Duncan was on the decline (the lowest scoring and rebounding numbers of his career to that point that season. P.E.R.-21.7

Don't ignore the last three seasons, just so you can call someone "Manu s"It makes your look stupid when you're proven wrong. Ask Skull-1. He has been reduced to a complete joke by consistently refuting [irrefutable] statistics and doctoring his own to prove his point, which is incorrect to being with.

And I already I broke down Manu's turnovers in every game in the series, in this thread) His 12 turnovers only cost the 13pts. In Game 7 he scored 34 points when factoring in his points off assists and individual scoring (34% 1/3 of our total offense).

I honestly think these guys just need a scapegoat and they have chosen Manu instead of blaming the whole team. There is at least four or five of them hating on Manu.
Either that, or they are just trolling and trying to get their kicks off.
I can't believe they can be so obtuse otherwise.

[Skull-1]

Ask Skull-1. He has been reduced to a complete joke by consistently refuting [irrefutable] statistics and doctoring his own to prove his point, which is incorrect to being with.

How did I doctor my statistics, moron? I listed TOTAL SHOTS. Anyone who can add can see precisely what I was saying and it was dead on accurate. I had already posted breakdowns by FG, 3PT, and FT. I was making yet another point in the hope of peeling the scales off your eyes.

Irrefutable statistics. LMAO. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Whatcha gonna believe, a bunch of squishy numbers that serve your idiotic agenda or your lying eyes that supposedly watched the games?

Talk about doctoring arguments, you're the one who tried to laughably prove that Manu didn't hurt us with his incessant turnovers and bad shots when any objective observer could see he did.

[Skull-1]

Per game. Per game. Blah blah blah. I already showed that a per game analysis of Manu drastically underscores how BAD he played. He had a one game outlier that saved him from looking as bad as he actually was.

I will put it in simple terms. Five horrible games and two awesome games can make a player look average....on average. But the trend is the guy sucks. Simple really. Except for you homers. And Manu didn't have but ONE awesome game...and one okay one until he wet himself in the fourth quarter of Game 7.