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His memes and pictures are at least amusing, can't say the same for Blake.yup youre still stupid.
What does 210 really contribute?
Why are you in this thread then if not to just follow around 2120?
His memes and pictures are at least amusing, can't say the same for Blake.
What does 210 really contribute?
So his contribution is that his memes are amusing to you. Serves to further my original take.
It's a sad day when I don't know whose reports to believe, USA's or Russia's.
If you were intelligent in your approach you would realize that in politics every day is a good day to be skeptical of any source of information. You do that through analysis which you have demonstrated no capacity for.
I'm doing exactly that. Are you high?
this wants to talk about facts when they all point to a false flag by the rebels with US/israeli assitance. why would Assad use chemicals whenever he was already winning the war, knowing it would pull us in? why were all the media outlets and our politicians chomping at the bit ready to go to war and blame assad as soon as the attack happened, before we even had a clue what was used and who was responsible? is the UN still not conducting an investigation? we claim to to the russians that we have proof, but we can't tell them because it's classified...get real. we've been wanting to go to war with iran for years now, this is about iran more than it is syria. they want to isolate them at the very least, if not pull them into a war. we want to dominate that oil rich region of the world and russia, iran, and syria are in our way. we're in cahoots with the sunni's, they're funding this too. wake up.
and to add to what i just said..if this were the 1920's or 30's id just say if they want to fight for oil, then let these old shriveled pecker s go and fight it themselves just don't ask me to risk my life for it. but there was this invention called the nuclear bomb that changed everything..these bas s have no right to threaten mine and every other human and animal life on this earth all over their greed.
No you are picking and choosing. I am talking method and not specific. And demonstrate some analysis. It would be the first time.
I opened this multi page thread to see what's being said. All I'm seeing is worthless, unfunny spam from 210 and chegevera; posts about me from you.
Ed Asner Explains Hollywood Silence on Obama, Syria: They 'Don't Want to Feel Anti-Black'
5:06 PM PDT 9/6/2013 by Paul Bond
Ed Asner, left, and Mike Farrell
Don't look for Iraq War-style protests, says the liberal activist, who -- like "M*A*S*H" star Mike Farrell -- opposes military action.
In 2003, ahead of a U.S. attack on Iraq, a robust anti-war movement in Hollywood included a TV commercial starring Martin Sheen and Sean Penn visiting Baghdad. There were online pe ions signed by Ed Asner; letters to President George W. Bush pleading for peace were signed by Matt Damon, Tim Robbins, Barbra Streisand and Alec Baldwin; former M*A*S*H star Mike Farrell fronted multiple press conferences where celebrities denounced war. In interviews, Janeane Garofalo stopped identifying herself as an actor -- she preferred to be called a member of the U.S. anti-war movement.
The good news for President Barack Obama as he considers a military response against Syria for using chemical weapons against rebels is that he probably won't have to deal with a similar anti-war movement from Hollywood. But that's not because there isn't opposition. It's just not organized, and, as Asner and Farrell – two of the industry's most vocal progressive activists -- told The Hollywood Reporter Friday, perhaps it never will be.
While some conservatives see hypocrisy, Farrell says that an all-out war in Iraq under Bush, a Republican who was very unpopular in Hollywood, was a much bigger deal than potential missile strikes against Syria under the direction of Obama, a Democrat who drew millions for his campaigns from showbiz industry donors.
Asner, 83, and Farrell, 74, both expressed extreme disappointment in Obama for advocating military action.
"What he is talking about in Syria is a potential war crime," Farrell said. "It will be illegal, and if citizens are killed it certainly could be considered a war crime."
Even if Obama presents irrefutable evidence that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used poison gas against civilians, military action is still unwarranted, the two activists say.
"This administration ought to insist that the international community charge [Assad] with a war crime and prosecute him, and in so doing Obama would be following the law instead of flaunting the law," Farrell said.
"It's incredibly improper for the president to call for a strike. I have said it everywhere I can and I suspect a lot of others will do the same, but whether there will be an organized effort, I don't know," Farrell continued. "We're talking about the difference between an invasion in Iraq and a limited action in response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria."
Asner said the lack of an organized effort against war in Syria is a matter of timing. Bush took months to make the case for war in Iraq, giving the antiwar left plenty of time to prepare a response.
"It will be a done deal before Hollywood is mobilized," Asner said. "This country will either bomb the out of Syria or not before Hollywood gets off its ass."
Also, said Asner, unsuccessful efforts to prevent war in Iraq led to complacency among left-wing activists.
"We had a million people in the streets, for Christ's sake, protesting Iraq, which was about as illegal as you could find. Did it matter? Is George Bush being tried in the high courts of justice?" asks Asner. "We've been so God-damned stung in this country by false wars, repeatedly, that, how can you believe in any just war with the history we have had?"
Another reason some Hollywood progressives have been reticent to speak out against war in Syria, according to Asner, is fear of being called racist.
"A lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama," he said.
Asner said Hollywood activists should read a Huffington Post blog item by Dennis Kucinich, where the former congressman lists the "Top 10 unproven claims for war against Syria."
"Whether it's a Republican or Democrat president, or Republican or Democrat Congress -- and it doesn't make a God-damned difference -- it behooves us to get off our ass and ask these questions," Asner said.
Farrell and Asner both say that beating the war drums on Syria is one of many mistakes Obama has made.
"I voted for him, but I'm not proud. He hasn't thrown himself on the funeral pyre. I wanted him to sacrifice himself. Instead, he has proved himself to be a corporatist, and as long as he's a corporatist, he's not my president," Asner said. "A lot of people have lost hope -- with the betrayals, the NSA spying ... People aren't getting active because 'Who gives a ?' is essentially the bottom line."
Adds Farrell: "I'm frankly deeply disappointed in the president's foreign policy, war-making, his reliance on military rather then diplomatic responses, his use of drones, continued allowance of the Guantanamo prison. He's a disappointment to me and other people I know."
As much as Obama is loved by Hollywood power-brokers, Asner says he doesn't fear backlash by speaking against the president.
"Hollywood can't mobilize for that either," he joked. "If they try to punish me, what are they gonna do? Take away my pension?"
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...reaking%20News
nailed it. lol what cowards
Ed Asner bashing the out of Obama FTW!
Obama Warned on Syrian Intel
We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”
We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”
There is a growing body of evidence from numerous sources in the Middle East — mostly affiliated with the Syrian opposition and its supporters — providing a strong cir stantial case that the August 21 chemical incident was a pre-planned provocation by the Syrian opposition and its Saudi and Turkish supporters. The aim is reported to have been to create the kind of incident that would bring the United States into the war.
According to some reports, canisters containing chemical agent were brought into a suburb of Damascus, where they were then opened. Some people in the immediate vicinity died; others were injured.
We are unaware of any reliable evidence that a Syrian military rocket capable of carrying a chemical agent was fired into the area. In fact, we are aware of no reliable physical evidence to support the claim that this was a result of a strike by a Syrian military unit with expertise in chemical weapons.
In addition, we have learned that on August 13-14, 2013, Western-sponsored opposition forces in Turkey started advance preparations for a major, irregular military surge. Initial meetings between senior opposition military commanders and Qatari, Turkish and U.S. intelligence officials took place at the converted Turkish military garrison in Antakya, Hatay Province, now used as the command center and headquarters of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and their foreign sponsors.
Senior opposition commanders who came from Istanbul pre-briefed the regional commanders on an imminent escalation in the fighting due to “a war-changing development,” which, in turn, would lead to a U.S.-led bombing of Syria.
At operations coordinating meetings at Antakya, attended by senior Turkish, Qatari and U.S. intelligence officials as well as senior commanders of the Syrian opposition, the Syrians were told that the bombing would start in a few days. Opposition leaders were ordered to prepare their forces quickly to exploit the U.S. bombing, march into Damascus, and remove the Bashar al-Assad government
The Qatari and Turkish intelligence officials assured the Syrian regional commanders that they would be provided with plenty of weapons for the coming offensive. And they were. A weapons distribution operation unprecedented in scope began in all opposition camps on August 21-23. The weapons were distributed from storehouses controlled by Qatari and Turkish intelligence under the tight supervision of U.S. intelligence officers.
Retaliation is inevitable. For example, terrorist strikes on U.S. embassies and other installations are likely to make what happened to the U.S. “Mission” in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012, look like a minor dust-up by comparison. One of us addressed this key consideration directly a week ago in an article led “Possible Consequences of a U.S. Military Attack on Syria – Remembering the U.S. Marine Barracks Destruction in Beirut, 1983.”
http://consortiumnews.com/2013/09/06...-syrian-intel/
When everybody's lying, who do you believe?
Tonkin Gulf? LIE
Iraq WMD? LIE
Assad gassing? LIE?
Last edited by boutons_deux; 09-08-2013 at 07:06 AM.
Yeah.
I did not notice that.
The basic premise concerning choosing to be in the military still holds though.
So who gassed these people in a massive manner?
Or are we gonna take the scrotelackingtesticles view that no one was gassed?
Stop with the BS. The Syrian military gassed these people.
Now you can start from there with whatever...
what would the Syrian military be hoping to achieve? while risking foreign intervention, esp after the red line comment?
what would the insurgents hope to achieve by bringing in red line foreign intervention?
What does the evidence say? The Syrian government is in disarray. You think one arm knows what the other is doing? You think a military commander in the field is thinking about geopolitical consequences?
So you use Iraq as an example that the US govt lied again.
The logical person uses the above as evidence that the US can get things very wrong and or lie.
So what does the evidence say?
The Syrian govt.
Did the US govt get the Bin Laden attack wrong? Did Bush really orchestrate it?
I say you are bat crazy if you believe Bush orchestrated this.
Most people who want the facts go to reputable news outlets and read everything because they want the truth. Others use their ideological bias to hunt down something, anything, that backs their worldview. This would be you and Che and a number of others.
Last edited by pgardn; 09-08-2013 at 10:28 AM.
even though the evidence shows that it was the rebels, i'll play devil's advocate and pretend what if the government was responsible.
Did we not support Saddam in his war with Iran when declassified do ents now show that we knew about it the whole time? Why the double standard? The ends always justify the means with these people. Money, greed, power. We're being hypocrites here but sociopaths don't care about trivial things such as the facts as long as they accomplish their goal.
"So what does the evidence say?"
You, bloodthirsty asshole, have NO EVIDENCE, only wishful thinking and cir stances.
Let's see what the weapons inspectors say.
thanks to wikileaks:
With the World Watching, Syria Amassed Nerve Gas
Syria’s top leaders amassed one of the world’s largest stockpiles of chemical weapons with help from the Soviet Union and Iran, as well as Western European suppliers and even a handful of American companies, according to American diplomatic cables and declassified intelligence records.
While an expanding group of nations banded together in the 1980s to try to block the Syrian effort, prohibiting the sale of goods that would bolster the growing chemical weapons stockpile, the archives show that Syria’s governing Assad family exploited large loopholes, lax enforcement and a far greater international emphasis on limiting the spread of nuclear arms.
Soon after Mr. Obama came to office, newly installed officials grew increasingly alarmed by the ease with which Mr. Assad was using a network of front companies to import the precursors needed to make VX and sarin, deadly chemical poisons that are internationally banned, according to leaked diplomatic cables from WikiLeaks, the antisecrecy group.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/08...?from=homepage
... still no proof that Assad actually did the 21 Aug gassing. The above is PROOF that sarin, VX components appear to widely obtainable, even from US companies.
the quote in my reply was from pgardn, not you, asshole
Oh yea, bc I expose how Obama is a complete fraud. lol.
You seem to know so much about the mic, fraud, corruption, but some how put the blinders on when the dude in office wears a D. It's pathetic for u to tell yourself Obama isn't part of it. U embarrass yourself. Republican/Democrat. No real difference. Just two parties pretend to be debating, but really just saying the same things differently.
Your messiah is the asshole. For the drones he has dropped on kids, and for the fire he so desperately wants to drop on more, and it makes you an asshole to defend him.
You used to be one of my favorite posters..but I'm getting more and more disapointed. Smh
As the kids like to say..real talk.
It doesn't take much real talk to figure out how unintelligent you are.
Oh yea, bc I expose how Obama is a complete fraud. lol.
You seem to know so much about the mic, fraud, corruption, but some how put the blinders on when the dude in office wears a D. It's pathetic for u to tell yourself Obama isn't part of it. U embarrass yourself. Republican/Democrat. No real difference. Just two parties pretend to be debating, but really just saying the same things differently.
Your messiah is the asshole. For the drones he has dropped on kids, and for the fire he so desperately wants to drop on more, and it makes you an asshole to defend him.
You used to be one of my favorite posters..but I'm getting more and more disapointed. Smh
As the kids like to say..real talk.
and after your low intelligence gets exposed, your genuine, real butthurt sets in and you go with your "Obama is your Messiah...." line followed by quote changes and jpegs.
boutons come back
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