Kidd wasn't a prolific scorer but had a lot of assists. Could Manu do the same?
Discuss. (Or don't. Just a random question out of nowhere.)
I'll weigh in on this.
The answer is no and an example was Avery Johnson on the '99 Spurs first championship team.
But it really depends on the teams offensive scheme.
However, if he is a score first PG like Chris Paul or TP, then it can put a whole lot more pressure on the other teams defense specifically testing their collective basketball IQ.
Then assuming Manu has lost a step and isn't the scoring threat he was as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.... Can he become a Johnson/Kidd facilitator with a reasonable expectation of success?
If he wants to stop turning the ball over every 2 minutes. I'm sure Kawhi will be scoring a bit more this year, so Manu won't have to stress about being a scoring threat. Hopefully Marco can contribute some decent scoring this year too.
He already has been for the 2nd team for quite a while now.
He is on the tail end of his career now, but even the great ones like him, or Kidd, are going to have their bad series, it is inevitable. After all he is a two time all star and should have been coMVP with TD in the 2005 championship.
IMHO we haven't seen the end of Manus' great play making yet.
That is the issue. I wonder if focusing him in on facilitation would cut down on the TOs...
I see his effectiveness in the role declining as his scoring ability does. People sag off him daring him to beat them knowing he cannot or will not finish.
I hope other teams keep this up because, again, great players like him and Kidd will make them pay dearly more often than they will err or make TOs.
Sounds like a backdoor De Colo thread. In case it's not, Ginobili does so many of the little things to win games that he doesn't need to be a scorer. He just needs to keep the opposing defenses honest. If he has a shot, he should take. If the lane is open, he should drive. I don't think Manu was anywhere close to 100℅ in the playoffs but he's not going to make excuses for his poor play. He still has game and if Pop manages his minutes well during the regular season and he can stay relatively healthy, he can be a huge factor for the Spurs. He's not a washed up has been and he has the ability to be much better than he was in last year's finals. People have doubted him before his last extension, prior to singlehandingly get the Spurs into the playoffs in 2009. Yeah, he's older now and a little bit more banged up, but he still has the ability to help carry the Spurs for stretches at a time.
I have very little interest in DeColo.
Watching Tony Romo against the Giants Sunday night after he got crushed by two defenders and hurt....you would have noticed he was flinching a little for the first few possessions after it happened. Manu doesn't get foul calls like he used to but....is he shying away from contact in the same way?
He hasn't been the same since he broke his finger.
You almost had respect from this thread. But of course you it up lol
The answer: no Rondo is a prime example
I don't know if he's shying away from contact. I do know that one of his biggest concerns are probably the hamstrings. Broken bones heal, but pulled hamstrings can linger. I think he said in an interview a year or two ago, that he was going to take more of a backseat role. In other words, be more of a passer and less of a scorer. I don't think the non calls are a big deal primarily because he doesn't drive as much as he used to. With that said, It's only natural for a player to be tentative initially but I do think the broken finger is pretty much a non issue.
Easy now. Turnovers were mentioned by someone else. I just made an editorial comment.
Hamstrings tend to become chronic. Miles Austin comes to mind, but that's football.
I think the lack of getting calls takes some incentive away from driving to the hoop, frankly, but...
Rondo was mentioned. The score first PG or threat-to-score PG would seem to be the one that keeps the D honest. But then you have Kidd, Stockton, Johnson, etc.. They were facilitate first guys...
Of the top eight ball handlers/PGs/offense-running SGs in the league I would suspect most are score first.
Also, would Diaw be an even better passer being more aggressive as a threat to score?
not at all times
Too many vague, loaded words here. What does "prolific" mean? And, would one example of a "non-prolific" scorer "effectively" running an offense (what does this mean? Is there some threshold assist to turnover ratio that cons utes "effective?") be enough to convince you? Two?
The question isn't really well-defined, but if you just want my casual analysis - no, I don't think Manu can replicate what Kidd did.
oh look another manu hating thred by this weanker
Vague, not loaded. If the answer requires something more specific then I was hoping the poster would provide it.
Don't mind him. He didnt get enough attention when he wasa kid.
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I think it really depends on the scheme and the players on the floor. I never really got the basics(blame Jordan and the Bulls), so basically the only way I could score is if the PG goes TP and does a drive and drop. Or if I get lucky, get to the other end all alone on a fastbreak. What I'm saying is, players who are limited offensively sort of limit the offensive schemes that teams can run. On the other hand, those teams will be able to run those schemes to perfection nearly 100% of the time, compared to teams who have a lot more on their plate. Essentially, they're doing more with less. But, I've never played a lot of compe ive basketball, so what do I know? That's just my 2 cents.
Well said. This cuts to the heart of my question. A PG or ball handler that is a threat to score can collapse a defense, a la Parker, opening up lanes and looks for shooters. But with a different scheme that relies on ball and player movement the lanes and shots also open up. But if the defenders stay home on the shooters and don't buy into a handler who can't drive, then the offense breaks down.
Or does it?
Manu, when he is on, can pass the ball anywhere. Is that enough of a threat to keep people off guard or with a guy like that does his man just say, "Bring it"?
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