Secret hearing marks end of Duncans' union

[ismael-robert]

You honor me with your lips but your heart is far from me

[Skull-1]

Im goin to have to side with xmas in that skull u sound like the pharisees u condemn. You have no clue how to share the truth with love gentleness n respect. You talk like one with a sharp mind n tongue but not a softened heart. You're right God is in control. We all are born into sin and He saves whomever He chooses to save. You're right again he does form the pots and the rest of the verse says he forms some for destruction. Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again. That happens by faith God made it very easy.
Xmas there are no errors or missing books. The Bible is Word of God. Yo downplay that is to say God was not in control of what would be handed down to us. One of the test fir canonicity was whether something contained errors or contradictions as the bible contains none and God cant err. So the apocrypha you reference was never considered scripture cause it was nit inspired by Holy Spirit. Its good for history thats it. Plus it was written on different type of paper not the parchment of dead sea scrolls. Lots of books were discovered in dat cave. Secondly it is by comparing todays Bibles to the oldest manuscript evidence that we see the Bible has been translated with near perfect accuracy minus kjv. The minor differences are on small unimportant words that do not take away from the meaning. So no please do not use that argument as its a common one for unbelievers and no believer should believe that at all.

I never referenced apocrypha. Not once. Again, you are filled with error.

I have already tried the kind approach. I am not required to be nice to mockers and scoffers. Perhaps you should go back and read all the harshness used by God, Jesus, Paul, etc. when appropriate.


I downplay nothing. The scriptures are veiled on purpose. God keeps them that way in many different ways. The latest and greatest is really just what went before. Biased, wicked translators "who take the truth of God and turn it into a lie." It isn't difficult.


You have no more control over being BORN FROM ABOVE (it is not born again) than you did in the first place physically. HE WHO IS BORN OF GOD CANNOT SIN, CANNOT SIN, CANNOT SIN. 1 John 3. That's not a choice you make or a stupid prayer. It is a process. A painful one. Again, you cite tradition not the Word.


The oldest extant text has a monumental number of errors. Oldest is not best. Not by a long shot. The only way to find the text as originally written is to collate and compare with other texts. You can distill and determine which ones added and which ones subtracted (like MS 69 which added a margin note in an attempt to fix an improper importation of Mat 5 into Mat 19). One of the best researchers on this topic is Dr. Leslie McFall. He is the foremost expert on this.

The most accurate, or at least consistent, is the Byzantine Majority Text. The Egyptian texts are older but contain a monumental number of mistakes, internally and externally.

That being said, even an improperly translated English Bible has enough fail safes in it for a spiritual man to find the truth. You can change FORNICATION to MARITAL UNFAITHFULNESS all you want. The contradicting scriptures are enough for the spiritual man to know what it really means. Or change Gal 3:15 to say IRREVOCABLE AGREEMENT instead of COVENANT. It doesn't matter. The other information is still there in enough places to counter it for the spiritual man....and to trap the carnal one.

Bad translations like the NIV and the NLT are allowed by God for the same reason Jesus spoke in parables....

[ismael-robert]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses

[Skull-1]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses

He already told us it will be with equity. Also, wrath has multiple meanings. Some face correction in this life, some don't. But there is a common salvation at some point.

[ismael-robert]

The apocrypha reference was for xmas. Notice his name at beginning of paragraph. So now whos in error. Never said my salvation was my decision. No one stops sinning. Not till we leave this earth will we be perfected but salvation happens when one truly believes with their heart not their head and receives the Holy Spirit. He then works out the sanctification. By no longer sinning he means continual unrepentant sin or could also mean that by receiving Christ I received His reghteousness so im already perfect and my sins r no longer counted against me

[xmas1997]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses

Skull is truly lost, so lost it really isn't even amusing, it's sad.
Yes, you are right in your comparison to the Pharisees, I pointed this out to him once already, but he is blinded by his self righteousness to the point he cannot see the rightness of God.
Again it is sad. I've tried to open his mind to his God given conscience, but he will have none of that either.
I've never seen someone as closed and narrow minded as skull, ready to condemn just because someone has a different opinion. It is no wonder there are religious wars and persecutions on this planet with sick demented people like that who falsely think they have the right to tell others what to do and how to believe especially when they don't know what they are talking about yet have just enough knowledge to be sickly dangerous. Reminds me of Hitler. Heaven forbid they ever convince anyone of their falsehoods!

I appreciate your insight, ismael, at least it's not veiled in hypocrisy, and shows reason and intelligence.

[Skull-1]

The apocrypha reference was for xmas. Notice his name at beginning of paragraph.

I stand corrected on this point.

So now whos in error. Never said my salvation was my decision. No one stops sinning. Not till we leave this earth will we be perfected but salvation happens when one truly believes with their heart not their head and receives the Holy Spirit. He then works out the sanctification. By no longer sinning he means continual unrepentant sin or could also mean that by receiving Christ I received His reghteousness so im already perfect and my sins r no longer counted against me

You are still in error. Cannot sin. Cannot sin. Cannot sin. Paul said he was aware of NOTHING against himself.


He who is born of God cannot sin. Period. If you still sin you're still not in Christ. Pretty simple stuff when the veil is removed.

[Skull-1]

Skull is truly lost, so lost it really isn't even amusing, it's sad.
Yes, you are right in your comparison to the Pharisees, I pointed this out to him once already, but he is blinded by his self righteousness to the point he cannot see the rightness of God.
Again it is sad. I've tried to open his mind to his God given conscience, but he will have none of that either.
I've never seen someone as closed and narrow minded as skull, ready to condemn just because someone has a different opinion. It is no wonder there are religious wars and persecutions on this planet with sick demented people like that who falsely think they have the right to tell others what to do and how to believe especially when they don't know what they are talking about yet have just enough knowledge to be sickly dangerous. Reminds me of Hitler. Heaven forbid they ever convince anyone of their falsehoods!

You are repeatedly in error. You have been reproved and corrected but refuse to repent. Not my problem.

[Skull-1]

It pleases God to punish sin not the sinners and who are we as pots to say He cant show His wrath when He chooses

God has no pleasure in punishment. It isn't like He relishes it.

[xmas1997]

You are repeatedly in error. You have been reproved and corrected but refuse to repent. Not my problem.

Wrong again, skull. They should put "numb" in front of your name.
You have done nothing except show your foolishness and total ignorance.
Give it up, you lost the argument a long time ago!
You're just too thick headed to admit it, you lost.

[anakha]

So much for letting this ing thread die.

[Skull-1]

Wrong again, skull. They should put "numb" in front of your name.
You have done nothing except show your foolishness and total ignorance.
Give it up, you lost the argument a long time ago!
You're just too thick headed to admit it, you lost.

Negative, Ghostrider, your trolling is full.

It isn't even argument. An argument would require you to actually make a point for yourself instead of continually making mine.

[xmas1997]

Negative, Ghostrider, your trolling is full.

It isn't even argument. An argument would require you to actually make a point for yourself instead of continually making mine.

more of your self righteous BS instead of the rightness of God.
You have no point, or did you forget?

[Skull-1]

more of your self righteous BS instead of the rightness of God.
You have no point, or did you forget?

Still waiting on you to make something other than a complete ass of yourself. Gonna be awhile so I will grab a Snickers.

[xmas1997]

Still waiting on you to make something other than a complete ass of yourself. Gonna be awhile so I will grab a Snickers.

Actually I am pretty competent at making a fool of myself at times, I even poke fun at myself, but you take the cake.
No one could ever top you for a lack of class and in being the fool of fools!
I concede to your ignorance.
Sad part is you seem totally unaware of how foolish you truly are!
At least I know when I'm being an idiot and can admit it when I'm wrong.
You should take some more lessons in that. You might grow up.

[ismael-robert]

And just to make clear by my own conscience im incapable of good. Our definition of good isnt God's. Only He is good. Only those works we allow Him to work through us by the Holy Spirit are the ones that count for anything. Only those done in His name and for His Word and glory. Our own attempts to follow our conscience and do good are like filthy rags to His holiness

[xmas1997]

And just to make clear by my own conscience im incapable of good. Our definition of good isnt God's. Only He is good. Only those works we allow Him to work through us by the Holy Spirit are the ones that count for anything. Only those done in His name and for His Word and glory. Our own attempts to follow our conscience and do good are like filthy rags to His holiness

I easily go along with that.
I don't try to portray myself as someone who is holier than thou like skull does.
There is much to be said for humility and kindness, and especially forgiveness.
I am secure in the knowledge that God will guide me through my conscience as long as I continue to seek Him in a moral manner and do unto others as I would have them do unto me.

[ismael-robert]

If you're a believer in Christ you no longer live by conscience but Spirit. And xmas you're right we csnt force our beliefs upon people but we should definitely share the gospel because only it is the power of salvation. So if you never share it with those you care about and they dont come to Faith don't be surprised when you don't see them with you in eternity. Also don't be afraid to call a brother out of sin and keep them on the narrow path.

[Skull-1]

I easily go along with that.
I don't try to portray myself as someone who is holier than thou like skull does.
There is much to be said for humility and kindness, and especially forgiveness.
I am secure in the knowledge that God will guide me through my conscience as long as I continue to seek Him in a moral manner and do unto others as I would have them do unto me.

Forgiveness requires repentance!

[Skull-1]

If you're a believer in Christ you no longer live by conscience but Spirit. And xmas you're right we csnt force our beliefs upon people but we should definitely share the gospel because only it is the power of salvation. So if you never share it with those you care about and they dont come to Faith don't be surprised when you don't see them with you in eternity. Also don't be afraid to call a brother out of sin and keep them on the narrow path.

And the Spirit will cause you to walk......


It is not sufficient to believe in Christ. Even "demons" believe. You must BELIEVE HIM.

[ismael-robert]

What I meant. Good luck with no sin thing. You're going to have nervous breakdown or be manic depressive. By the wqy didnt paul also say I do what I don't wanna do.

[Axegrinder]

God says: STFU already

[Sean Cagney]

God says: STFU already

even the devil is sick of this and says STFU already.......

[Skull-1]

What I meant. Good luck with no sin thing. You're going to have nervous breakdown or be manic depressive. By the wqy didnt paul also say I do what I don't wanna do.

Because Paul is not speaking in the present tense. Romans is one of the most difficult parts of the Bible to understand. I will give you a hint: IT IS NOT LINEAR.

"I am aware of nothing against myself."

The no sin thing is very simple really. If God chooses you then you're chosen. It is a process. Parable of the four soils. Tie that into Peter. That's how it works.

[Skull-1]

even the devil is sick of this and says STFU already.......

LOL!!!