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    Yeah once Wade/Bron had their jumpers going, Pop should have forced them to drive to the basket. That or just don't give them 3 feet of space to shoot in game 7.

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    Ouch.

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    It's one thing to give a little space in the first half of games because it prevents foul trouble and fatigue. But, to do it with the game..... STRIKE THAT...... season on the line was ludicrous.
    I would have been up in his damn face with hand up and so on beyond belief and not given him 5 feet or showed him any respect with the season on the line! If I fouled him or phantom call so be it. I would never give a man a open look though, especially not of his caliber! God I hate going back to the finals man, damn lol. I will not say another word on that now. I agree with you.

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    I wish someone would make a mixtape of every play Kawhi guarded LeBron. I was blown away by what he did. Not that he shut him down naturally, but he did make things difficult for the the greatest player in the universe.
    Danny Green on the other hand....*shudder*
    green had numerous strips and deflections on transition plays that really ed Miami up.. their offense revolved around getting easy transition buckets and Danny did an awesome job of preventing a lot of those, especially on James. not sure what you were watching.

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    I thought a similar thing after watching the video of Lewis versus Jordan. Green might have blocked James more in the Finals than any player has ever, and that is especially true for the transition. It was very obvious that it got to James' head. He went from looking at Green during a Game 1 jump ball and saying (almost literally), "Oh, I get to jump against him? All right." (James lost that jump, actually.) To hesitating whenever Green was protecting the rim in the final four games. If the Spurs had pulled out Game 6 in overtime, then the most talked-about play may have been Green's block on James in the Final minute. That was legendary.

    Lebron on that play. ing whiner. that was ALL BALL. gotta be stronger than that if you wanna score on DMFG .

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    Lebron on that play. ing whiner. that was ALL BALL. gotta be stronger than that if you wanna score on DMFG .
    In his defense, he probably thought that he just lost the series by getting blocked. Had the Spurs drawn up a good play and scored off that next possession, I don't know if the Heat have enough left for another comeback.

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    watching that play again, Parker should have stayed on the opposite side of the wing, he crowded that corner and brought Lebron over there as well; Green would have been open for the pass from Manu.

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    No Kawhi is no Bowen. Bowen spent a couple of years in Europe developing his defense. Bowen could guard the best in the league, including KOBE. He was a 3 point specialist. He had offensive skills but they were not what got him in the NBA.

    Kawhi has the solid skills on defense that Bowen had. He needs another season to progress to the level of an elite defender. His 4th season, 2015, will be where he shines as a top defender. His offensive skills are already where Bowen was in his later seasons. Kawhi will be on the Allstar level in 2 more season. He may in his prime be the top Western Conf small forward.

    No Kawhi is not Bowen, but by the same logic Bowen was no Kawhi.

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    watching that play again, Parker should have stayed on the opposite side of the wing, he crowded that corner and brought Lebron over there as well; Green would have been open for the pass from Manu.
    True. On plays like that, Ginobili has no choice by to trust that the other players would keep good spacing. It's like a quarterback throwing an interception because a receiver falls down.

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    No Kawhi is no Bowen. Bowen spent a couple of years in Europe developing his defense. Bowen could guard the best in the league, including KOBE. He was a 3 point specialist. He had offensive skills but they were not what got him in the NBA.

    Kawhi has the solid skills on defense that Bowen had. He needs another season to progress to the level of an elite defender. His 4th season, 2015, will be where he shines as a top defender. His offensive skills are already where Bowen was in his later seasons. Kawhi will be on the Allstar level in 2 more season. He may in his prime be the top Western Conf small forward.

    No Kawhi is not Bowen, but by the same logic Bowen was no Kawhi.

    Bruce is what we have been missing all these years. Leonard is doing a great job stepping into those very very big shoes.

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    No Kawhi is no Bowen. Bowen spent a couple of years in Europe developing his defense. Bowen could guard the best in the league, including KOBE. He was a 3 point specialist. He had offensive skills but they were not what got him in the NBA.

    Kawhi has the solid skills on defense that Bowen had. He needs another season to progress to the level of an elite defender. His 4th season, 2015, will be where he shines as a top defender. His offensive skills are already where Bowen was in his later seasons. Kawhi will be on the Allstar level in 2 more season. He may in his prime be the top Western Conf small forward.

    No Kawhi is not Bowen, but by the same logic Bowen was no Kawhi.
    I'd like to see if Nunnally is for real. He likes to compare himself with Bowen, his idol.
    Kawhi is a different player all together than Bruce, completely different in fact.
    May as well compare him to Sean, or Rodman, the difference is so great.

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    No Kawhi is no Bowen. Bowen spent a couple of years in Europe developing his defense. Bowen could guard the best in the league, including KOBE. He was a 3 point specialist. He had offensive skills but they were not what got him in the NBA.

    Kawhi has the solid skills on defense that Bowen had. He needs another season to progress to the level of an elite defender. His 4th season, 2015, will be where he shines as a top defender. His offensive skills are already where Bowen was in his later seasons. Kawhi will be on the Allstar level in 2 more season. He may in his prime be the top Western Conf small forward.

    No Kawhi is not Bowen, but by the same logic Bowen was no Kawhi.
    I'd like to see if Nunnally is for real. He likes to compare himself with Bowen, his idol.
    Kawhi is a different player all together than Bruce, completely different in fact.
    May as well compare him to Sean, or Rodman, the difference is so great.

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    True. On plays like that, Ginobili has no choice by to trust that the other players would keep good spacing. It's like a quarterback throwing an interception because a receiver falls down.
    Manu shouldn't have jumped into the air to pass.

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    I don't disagree.

    I still think Green got worked. But I'm not blaming him. Kidding? I love Green. He's one of the most solid SG's in the league
    I thought Green did an excellent job, so did Diaw. Had it not been for that burst of scoring in game 2 and game 6 (not to mention staying in game 4 and scoring 9 points in the final minutes of a blowout against our bench) James series numbers would have been pretty suspect.

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    Manu shouldn't have jumped into the air to pass.
    Most of the time, that is the case but Miami had two players literally jump in front of him. It was either stop on a dime and get trapped baseline or attempt jump pass while jumping under the backboard. it was kind of a lose-lose after he drove.

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    Leanord is the wilt chamberlan of 12 and 6 players.

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    Most of the time, that is the case but Miami had two players literally jump in front of him. It was either stop on a dime and get trapped baseline or attempt jump pass while jumping under the backboard. it was kind of a lose-lose after he drove.
    Throw the ball off the opposing player's leg or foot so it goes out of bounds. Spurs ball. DUH.

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    I would have been up in his damn face with hand up and so on beyond belief and not given him 5 feet or showed him any respect with the season on the line! If I fouled him or phantom call so be it. I would never give a man a open look though, especially not of his caliber! God I hate going back to the finals man, damn lol. I will not say another word on that now. I agree with you.
    I'm still baffled by the amount of room that the Spurs gave Lebron in game 7. I'm was screaming at them to get up on him and stop leaving him wide open. Did Kawhi do what Pop asked, or did he give him even more room than Pop wanted? I mean, is that on Kawhi or Pop? That was just a stupid, stupid strategy. Giving him that much space at home was just asking for trouble.

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    I'm still baffled by the amount of room that the Spurs gave Lebron in game 7. I'm was screaming at them to get up on him and stop leaving him wide open. Did Kawhi do what Pop asked, or did he give him even more room than Pop wanted? I mean, is that on Kawhi or Pop? That was just a stupid, stupid strategy. Giving him that much space at home was just asking for trouble.
    They let him have WIDE open threes the whole game and just dared him to shoot, even after he made 4 or so they still let him shoot wide open threes. It was not a good strategy and it backfired in that game. I still don't want to go back and watch any film man. You leave the best player in the game open he might just hit you know? Pop completely loses it at times IMO nowadays, he is not what he was.

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    It was something they did most of the series; but they should have recognized and changed (especially in game 7)and given Bron and Wade less space as soon as they started to hit a few jumpers.

    That gave them so much confidence.

    I also wished they would have focused more on shutting down Wade in game 7 (again once he started hitting some shots, take out their 2nd playmaker); possibly switching Kawhi over to him.

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    They let him have WIDE open threes the whole game and just dared him to shoot, even after he made 4 or so they still let him shoot wide open threes. It was not a good strategy and it backfired in that game. I still don't want to go back and watch any film man. You leave the best player in the game open he might just hit you know? Pop completely loses it at times IMO nowadays, he is not what he was.
    I wish he would have done a REALITY CHECK BENCHING of Manu to shake the cobwebs out of his idiotic mind. And the way he just yanked Splitter... Eye roll.

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    I wish he would have done a REALITY CHECK BENCHING of Manu to shake the cobwebs out of his idiotic mind. And the way he just yanked Splitter... Eye roll.
    Excellent points are made by Cagney and others, yet you have bring up your BS Manu bashing in every single thread?
    Shut the up!
    And get the out of here with your insane inane ignorant redundant prejudicial hypocritical trolling!
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    They let him have WIDE open threes the whole game and just dared him to shoot, even after he made 4 or so they still let him shoot wide open threes. It was not a good strategy and it backfired in that game. I still don't want to go back and watch any film man. You leave the best player in the game open he might just hit you know? Pop completely loses it at times IMO nowadays, he is not what he was.
    The thing is though, did Pop want Kawhi to back off Lebron that much or did Kawhi up and give him more room than Pop wanted? What do you think? I would have got up on Lebron and made him drive, , the guy is also a shaky free throw shooter at times, so it might have been even better to foul him and put him on the free throw line instead of giving him open shots. I think fouling him at the end of game 6 when we were up 5 and putting him on the free throw line would have been better than giving him open three after open three.

    I'm not really interested in going back and watching the game either. I don't even think the players need a refresher like at the start of last season when Pop showed them tape of game 6 against OKC.

    I just realized that I've had very similar thoughts to what Jason Kidd had after game 6 against the Spurs in the 2003 finals. I read somewhere that he said that his son could have coached a better 4th quarter than Byron Scott. I think almost anyone of us here could have coached a better 4th quarter than Pop did in game 6.

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    The thing is though, did Pop want Kawhi to back off Lebron that much or did Kawhi up and give him more room than Pop wanted? What do you think? I would have got up on Lebron and made him drive, , the guy is also a shaky free throw shooter at times, so it might have been even better to foul him and put him on the free throw line instead of giving him open shots. I think fouling him at the end of game 6 when we were up 5 and putting him on the free throw line would have been better than giving him open three after open three.

    I'm not really interested in going back and watching the game either. I don't even think the players need a refresher like at the start of last season when Pop showed them tape of game 6 against OKC.

    I just realized that I've had very similar thoughts to what Jason Kidd had after game 6 against the Spurs in the 2003 finals. I read somewhere that he said that his son could have coached a better 4th quarter than Byron Scott. I think almost anyone of us here could have coached a better 4th quarter than Pop did in game 6.

    Well, Pop may not have wanted Stern, I mean, the refs, to call Leonard for a Ticky Tack foul late to win it. Fear.

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    Well, Pop may not have wanted Stern, I mean, the refs, to call Leonard for a Ticky Tack foul late to win it. Fear.
    See my last post!

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