Kap just BULLYIN dem s

[Avante]

Noboby beats the Seahawks in Seattle.

The Niners will do just fine, they faced the best QB in the league and beat him. They never play well in Seattle.

[Ghazi]

please, tbh..

The Broncos defense has looked solid, despite missing it's only source of pass rushing(a top 5 overall defensive player in the NFL) and the best cover guy on the team..

The passing game has looked unstoppable with Welker as a distant option and Thomas emerging as an elite tight end, tbh..

The 9ers were scouted after week 1, tbh..they only have 2 options in the passing game, and now Davis is having hamstring issues..they also can't run the ball with Frank Gore being roasted, tbh..

Kap dominated a Packers team that was playing it's backup CB and backup safety against Boldin, tbh..

Sorry, it was a good 1 year window, tbh..

The only team with a short window is the Broncos.

The Niners have a 5 year window to win a SuperBowl and will likely get it done.

That is just a reality you will have to face and come up with the ref/fluke arguments after it happens.

[Raven]

There is nothing the Broncos do better than the Niners. It's just the "elite QB" re ation kicking in.

The Broncos elite QB couldn't even get them to the Super Bowl last year where they went 13-3 and got the #1 seed due to a pathetic schedule.

They're the 3rd best team in the NFL... they have a shot at the SuperBowl but it's less than the Niners and Seahawks.

you do know they both lost to the same team, only the broncos almost won while the niners were on their way to a legendary blowout until the lights came out?

[HI-FI]

that was brutal. even worse, I have Kap on my fantasy team, and I believe he scored 4.05 points. i got decimated this week.

terrible game for hte Niners too, we got slapped hard. i mentioned earlier, Kaepernick is going to have lots of growing pains, this game was definitely one of them. right now, if Seahawks get home field throughout the playoffs, they look unbeatable but still a lot can happen.

[spurraider21]

taking anything too seriously against the Seahawks IN Seattle

the niners will be fine. what will be interesting to see is how these teams all look at full health later in the season. the niners with crabtree, boldin, and vernon davis should be pretty damn effective, but if they can't get Gore going, it will be too much of a burden on kaep.

the seahawks are already looking ridiculous with their defense, only surrendering 7 in week 1 then 3 in week 2. went up against some damn good physical defenses and came away with wins. when percy harvin is back, their offense gets a LOT scarier, tbh.

the broncos... well offensively they're already fine, since the entire AFC seems to have fallen off a cliff. 4 legit receiving weapons, and Moreno is picking up where he left off last season. at people that drafted montee ball in fantasy leagues as their RB2 when he was never even ahead of ronnie hillman on the depth chart . getting chump back will help, but he is pretty seasoned and he will still struggle against receivers that like to stretch the field. von miller adds a completely new element to that defense that people are underlooking. one of the biggest impact players in the league, next to JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, Richard Sherman

[Chinook]

that was brutal. even worse, I have Kap on my fantasy team, and I believe he scored 4.05 points. i got decimated this week.

terrible game for hte Niners too, we got slapped hard. i mentioned earlier, Kaepernick is going to have lots of growing pains, this game was definitely one of them. right now, if Seahawks get home field throughout the playoffs, they look unbeatable but still a lot can happen.

That's the thing right there. Provided that happens and the Broncos win the AFC, I think Seattle takes the trophy. Manning will have to deal with outdoor NJ conditions in February. That's going to be tough seeing as the Seahawks already have the best secondary in the NFL.

[TIMMYtoZO]

That's the thing right there. Provided that happens and the Broncos win the AFC, I think Seattle takes the trophy. Manning will have to deal with outdoor NJ conditions in February. That's going to be tough seeing as the Seahawks already have the best secondary in the NFL.

If Denver wins the AFC, the Giants are joining them in the Super Bowl. An 0-2 start means little in the division they play in. If Peyton goes to New York, he will have to beat Eli to get that 2nd ring and vice versa.

And at a black QB winning the Super Bowl.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would pay to see the Giants against the Seahawks/49ers, tbh..

The look on Ghazi's face after facing an Eli-led playoff team would be priceless, tbh..

[Ghazi]

Giants would need major luck to have a shot Gainst the seahawks or niners.. Maybe the only team capable of supplanting them in the nfc is the packers, who have a true elite qb unlike the giants

[TIMMYtoZO]

Giants would need major luck to have a shot Gainst the seahawks or niners.. Maybe the only team capable of supplanting them in the nfc is the packers, who have a true elite qb unlike the giants

All the Giants need is to be healthy at the right time. JPP will be in form by the middle of the season which will make their pass rush complete, and their passing attack is pretty damn deadly. Eli Manning is also a much more dangerous QB in January than Kaepernick/Wilson.

jealous of Eli
mad that Eli would have done what Kap failed to do in the SB
praying the Giants stop themselves from playing in January so your team won't have anything to do with them

[spurraider21]

giants
worse record than the raiders

[Clipper Nation]

Elite Manning striking fear in the haters' hearts even with an 0-2 record

[Avante]

All the Giants need is to be healthy at the right time. JPP will be in form by the middle of the season which will make their pass rush complete, and their passing attack is pretty damn deadly. Eli Manning is also a much more dangerous QB in January than Kaepernick/Wilson.

jealous of Eli
mad that Eli would have done what Kap failed to do in the SB
praying the Giants stop themselves from playing in January so your team won't have anything to do with them

The Giants can no longer win on the road, they've gone..3-6 in their last 9. They don't have a stud back, they don't have a stud O line/D line or backers. They had the 31st ranked defense in the league last season. Eli is no longer what he once was.

They are 3-8 in their last 11.

They are doing ..0...in 2013.

[LkrFan]

we STAAAAAAAAACKED

black QB haters

Nice thread sn.

[Ghazi]

Eli's done nothing to warrant being called an elite QB. It takes more than winning SuperBowls, especially in such a team sport.

Rodgers is a true elite QB. If you put him on the Giants I'd call them contenders in the NFC... but since Eli is just a good but not great QB the Giants cannot be taken seriously.

Flacco has and always will be a good but not great QB, but the Ravens getting extremely lucky in the SuperBowl and leadup to it suddenly made people think of him as an "elite" QB. he's a top 10 QB, that's it.

[spurraider21]

Eli's done nothing to warrant being called an elite QB. It takes more than winning SuperBowls, especially in such a team sport.

Rodgers is a true elite QB. If you put him on the Giants I'd call them contenders in the NFC... but since Eli is just a good but not great QB the Giants cannot be taken seriously.

Flacco has and always will be a good but not great QB, but the Ravens getting extremely lucky in the SuperBowl and leadup to it suddenly made people think of him as an "elite" QB. he's a top 10 QB, that's it.

Who do you have as 5-10 after Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Brady?

[HarlemHeat37]

1. Rodgers

2. Peyton(I wouldn't trade him for Rodgers, though, since Peyton has the coaching ability that John Fox doesn't possess, tbh)
3. Brady

4. Brees(looks like he's on the decline, though)

5. Elite Manning(in the top 3 in the playoffs once he stops coasting)
6. Big Ben
7. Flacco
8. Luck
9. Chokernick
10. Game manager Wilson

[Ghazi]

Only the top 4 QBs you have there have the game changing dynamic to be considered elite, IMO..

[TIMMYtoZO]

Eli's done nothing to warrant being called an elite QB. It takes more than winning SuperBowls, especially in such a team sport.

Rodgers is a true elite QB. If you put him on the Giants I'd call them contenders in the NFC... but since Eli is just a good but not great QB the Giants cannot be taken seriously.

Flacco has and always will be a good but not great QB, but the Ravens getting extremely lucky in the SuperBowl and leadup to it suddenly made people think of him as an "elite" QB. he's a top 10 QB, that's it.

People said this in 2011 especially after that win vs the Jets "Oh they beat Sanchez, big deal! The Packers or 49ers will handle them." If the Giants don't coast and make the playoffs, that is bad news for the NFC. Eli Manning and that pass rush take their game to a championship level. If Eli struggles, the D will keep it close and he will win it in the end with his clutch play. If Eli beasts, they destroy teams.

It doesn't help that their star pass rusher will need 6-7 more weeks to get his form after back surgery. The Giants will get out of this hole. They play in a weak division.

[spurraider21]

the main negative coming out of the Giants SB wins is now their fans think they are perennial contenders

[Ghazi]

The Giants have already proven what everybody already knew... that they were a mediocre team that got hot to win the SuperBowl a few years ago.

They are widely regarded as one of the weakest SB Champions ever... a team that got outscored in the regular season.

They had a chance to silence that criticism but are off to an 0-2 start this year after missing the playoffs last year... and they missed the playoffs the 2 years prior to that.

A SuperBowl championship sandwiched between 4 playoff whiffs... looks like a fluke to me.

And they'll probably miss the playoffs this year.

[LkrFan]

All the Giants need is to be healthy at the right time. JPP will be in form by the middle of the season which will make their pass rush complete, and their passing attack is pretty damn deadly. Eli Manning is also a much more dangerous QB in January than Kaepernick/Wilson.

jealous of Eli
mad that Eli would have done what Kap failed to do in the SB
praying the Giants stop themselves from playing in January so your team won't have anything to do with them

-2 (& cunting)
1 turnovers in 2 games
at Brandon Jacobs old decrepit ass ruining what little chemistry you guys have this year
at Wilson carrying the ball with 2 hands - in the open field
2nd best team in NY

that hommie.

[Clipper Nation]

-2 (& cunting)
1 turnovers in 2 games
at Brandon Jacobs old decrepit ass ruining what little chemistry you guys have this year
at Wilson carrying the ball with 2 hands - in the open field
2nd best team in NY

that hommie.

Cowboys still have Turny Romover and Jerruh
Giants still have Elite Manning

[LkrFan]

Cowboys still have Turny Romover and Jerruh
Giants still have Elite Manning

Eli was drafted by the Bolts
so was Ryan Leaf
Romo is still >> Philip Rivers

[Clipper Nation]

Ryan Leaf was a Cowboy too, tbh....