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    So yeah, sepsis can be a hospital caused infection. You are demonstrably wrong again. Let the obfuscation begin.
    Yes, but because of surgery. Not when you come in for pneumonia.

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    Yes, but because of surgery. Not when you come in for pneumonia.
    Community acquired PNEUMONIA - Adult (any age)

    Hospitalized patient:
    Azithromycin 500mg IV once daily PLUS Ceftriaxone 1 gram q24h (OR)

    Azithromycin 500mg IV once daily PLUS
    Ertapenem 1 gram q24h (OR)

    Monotherapy:
    Levofloxacin 750 mg IV/PO once daily (OR)
    Moxifloxacin 400mg IV qd.

    http://www.globalrph.com/antibiotic/pneumonia.htm

    Intravenous (IV) catheters (tubes inserted into the body to administer or drain fluids)

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    Yes, but because of surgery. Not when you come in for pneumonia.
    So if I have TB and I am security guard at the Hospital you have been admitted to and I help you to your seat and you get TB you still defend your misguided stance?

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    why not get the drugs from alternative country where the prices are dirt cheap to produce, import that and have it administered by the professionals...

    drop the fkn costs even further by limiting negligence insurance payouts to patients...

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    Started to read it but the author opens up implying hospital borne infections are unique to American hospitals and then states they can be prevent just by washing hands...so I stopped.

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    Started to read it but the author opens up implying hospital borne infections are unique to American hospitals and then states they can be prevent just by washing hands...so I stopped.
    goddam, you're stupid.

    "implying hospital borne infections are unique to American hospitals" no such implication was made.

    "washing hands" multiple studies have shown that hospital staff not washing/washing hands causes/reduces spread of hospital-acquired infections.

    goddam, you're stupid.

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    Started to read it but the author opens up implying hospital borne infections are unique to American hospitals and then states they can be prevent just by washing hands...so I stopped.
    Overread and oversimplified, but I guess you'll never find out.

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    Do Hospital Workers Really Wash Their Hands?

    What they found: compliance only averaged around 50 percent — with some instances as low as 30 percent. Granted, the nurses were better than the doctors, by about 5 or 10 percentage points. But neither rated very highly.

    “We started pretty darn low, and it was embarrassing, as you could imagine,” Elliott said.

    There was plenty of resistance to improving, he said. Some surgeons said they couldn’t be part of the problem because they spent so much time in the operating room. Other staff members said it wasn’t convenient to wash up so often, despite the many alcohol-based hand-washing stations throughout the hospital.


    And some, Elliott said, just didn’t realize they had to wash their hands before and after they interacted with each patient, or moved from room to room.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...h-their-hands/



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    Hospital-acquired super bug

    Illinois “Nightmare Bacteria” Outbreak Raises Alarms

    The largest U.S. outbreak on record of one particular strain of a so-called “nightmare bacteria” is fueling alarm among public health officials about the spread of potentially lethal drug-resistant infections.

    The outbreak, which has been traced to Advocate Lutheran General Hospital in suburban Chicago, has so far infected 44 people, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Since 2009, just 96 cases of the infection have been reported to the agency.

    The bacteria strain, known as carbapenem-resistant enterobacteriaceae (CRE), is a form of superbug that lives in the gut and can carry a gene called NDM-1 that is resistant to practically all antibiotics on the market today. Perhaps more alarming, the gene can jump from bacteria to bacteria, making treatable infections untreatable.

    The bug at the center of the Illinois outbreak is among those detailed in a 2013 report by the CDC warning of “potentially catastrophic consequences” if action isn’t taken against the threat of antibiotic-resistant infections. That threat, which kills an estimated 23,000 Americans each year,

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...CampaignId=793



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    why not get the drugs from alternative country where the prices are dirt cheap to produce, import that and have it administered by the professionals...

    drop the fkn costs even further by limiting negligence insurance payouts to patients...
    Or the govt. could buy the patent and then post the ingredients on a website for everyone to see.

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    related:

    Trump agrees to let insurers sell cheaper health plans than ObamaCare

    The Trump administration on Wednesday said it will allow insurers to sell short-term health care plans as a cheaper alternative to ObamaCare, but the policies will not cover maternity care, prescription drugs or pre-existing conditions.

    President Trump has touted the plans as “much less expensive healthcare at a much lower price” and said they would provide coverage to millions of Americans who don’t require extensive coverage and don’t want to pay the higher premiums that come with ObamaCare.

    “For many who’ve got pre-existing conditions or who have other health worries, the ObamaCare plans might be right for them,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told “Fox & Friends.” “We’re just providing more options.”

    ---

    Barrycare is horrible, but the fact that these guys haven't been able to come up with any improved ideas or solution controlling all 3 branches of government, and their best shot is basically trying to undermine it at every turn, is pathetic at this point.

    It's unfortunate, because it pretty much guarantees that when Barrycare does blow up, we're getting ed. (cue the america ed and un able rant)

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    A local TV reporters investigated hospital billing for three years:

    This is how one story began:

    It’s hardly unusual for a hospital to charge a mother for the cir cision of a newborn, but when Sky Ridge Medical Center sent Lisa Powell-Dejong an invoice showing a $1216.50 charge for one, she found herself beyond dumbfounded.

    “I just laughed,” she told us.

    Why?

    “Because I had a little girl,” she explained.

    https://www.poynter.org/reporting-ed...ospital-bills/

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    Oh good.

    We get to see the biggest bestest plan ever.
    But who knew Healthcare would be so complicated.

    So Trump has covered the bases with incompetence.

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    Great, how does DJT plan to control the cost of healthcare?

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    It's 2018; did Obamacare make it better? Who says yes?

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    related:

    Trump agrees to let insurers sell cheaper health plans than ObamaCare

    The Trump administration on Wednesday said it will allow insurers to sell short-term health care plans as a cheaper alternative to ObamaCare, but the policies will not cover maternity care, prescription drugs or pre-existing conditions.

    President Trump has touted the plans as “much less expensive healthcare at a much lower price” and said they would provide coverage to millions of Americans who don’t require extensive coverage and don’t want to pay the higher premiums that come with ObamaCare.

    “For many who’ve got pre-existing conditions or who have other health worries, the ObamaCare plans might be right for them,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told “Fox & Friends.” “We’re just providing more options.”

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    Barrycare is horrible, but the fact that these guys haven't been able to come up with any improved ideas or solution controlling all 3 branches of government, and their best shot is basically trying to undermine it at every turn, is pathetic at this point.

    It's unfortunate, because it pretty much guarantees that when Barrycare does blow up, we're getting ed. (cue the america ed and un able rant)
    So, the working class actually gets market options that suits their actual needs? Trump is obviously awful for this, amirite?

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    So, the working class actually gets market options that suits their actual needs? Trump is obviously awful for this, amirite?
    That would make sense if he didn't specifically campaign touting that pre-exisiting condition coverage was not negotiable, or that he had a plan that was much better than Obamacare (but that he couldn't spell it out or get it through his own party controlled Congress).

    Plus, read my comment about that article. Gutting the few things Barrycare did get right (so much so that he coopted them into his own healthcare campaign promises) it in order to put pressure to replace it did blow up in his face, now that he lost control of Congress.

    Worst 4D chess ever.

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    It's 2018; did Obamacare make it better? Who says yes?
    I'm a single payer guy, so I thought the ACA was a corporatist piece of crap from the get go. I still think it is. But it's undeniable that the ACA increased access to healthcare and caused a reduction in the rate of cost increases.

    Short term, it controlled cost increases marginally and increased insurance coverage substantially. It made things a little better.

    It's still a piece of crap and we should do better. Does the GOP have any ideas how?

    I'm all ears.

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    "ACA was a corporatist piece of crap from the get go"

    Because a BigInsurance Exec wrote ACA for Max Baucus

    Health care is and will always be for-exorbitant-profit, because the profiteers own the legislators.

    Health care is the prime example of how Capitalism s over non-Capitalists, is why America is on glide path to the of the Capitalist fascism.



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    That would make sense if he didn't specifically campaign touting that pre-exisiting condition coverage was not negotiable, or that he had a plan that was much better than Obamacare (but that he couldn't spell it out or get it through his own party controlled Congress).

    Plus, read my comment about that article. Gutting the few things Barrycare did get right (so much so that he coopted them into his own healthcare campaign promises) it in order to put pressure to replace it did blow up in his face, now that he lost control of Congress.

    Worst 4D chess ever.
    So people without pre-existing conditions can't get healthcare now?

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    I'm a single payer guy, so I thought the ACA was a corporatist piece of crap from the get go. I still think it is. But it's undeniable that the ACA increased access to healthcare and caused a reduction in the rate of cost increases.

    Short term, it controlled cost increases marginally and increased insurance coverage substantially. It made things a little better.

    It's still a piece of crap and we should do better. Does the GOP have any ideas how?

    I'm all ears.
    Rates have went up; and access to crap has always been there. This just streamlined the process of draining the middle class.

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