States With Most Gun Laws Have Fewest Gun Deaths

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TB YOU ARE

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Gun Nuts Go Too Far Again -- And This Time, Even Gun Advocates Are Calling the Gun Crazies "Idiots"

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has decided that gun nuts do not go with lattes.

On Tuesday, he wrote an open letter to “Fellow Americans” respectfully asking gun owners not to bring their weapons into his nationwide chain of coffee shops, even in states where “open carry” laws permit residents to carry guns in public.

The request, which has drawn wide media attention and condemnation from pro-gun groups, came after gun-control foes targeted Starbucks. They saw a business with liberal values and decided to hold “Starbucks Appreciation Days,” during which they marched into Starbucks with their guns in plain view, ordered drinks, and lingered with their guns—including assault rifles—leaning against their chairs and laps.

The most confrontational of these incendiary protests was to take place at a coffee shop on August 9 in Newtown, Connecticut, near the elementary school where a shooter killed 20 children and six staff members last December. In response, Starbucks’ corporate management closed that store early, “out of respect for Newtown and everything the community has been through,” the company’s website announced. Newtown Action Alliance, a gun-control group formed after the shootings, said the protest by gun advocates from Connecticut Open Carry was “reprehensible.”

But the gun nuts did not stop there. In this YouTube video from San Antonio, Texas, three men gloated about sitting outside of a Starbucks with military-style rifles in their laps to enjoy their coffees and “freedoms.” After police showed up as asked what was going on and said that creating a disturbance was a crime, one man replied, “If someone has a problem with what were doing, that doesn’t mean we are breaking the law.”

Open Carry supporters even made stickers of the woman in the center of the Starbucks logo holding two pistols, surrounded by “I LOVE [heart] GUNS & COFFEE.”

http://www.alternet.org/civil-libert...tter898716&t=3

as if we needed any more proof that you gun fellators are puerile, less wannabe-Mr-Macho/Rambo assholes.

[TSA]

Gun Nuts Go Too Far Again -- And This Time, Even Gun Advocates Are Calling the Gun Crazies "Idiots"

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has decided that gun nuts do not go with lattes.

On Tuesday, he wrote an open letter to “Fellow Americans” respectfully asking gun owners not to bring their weapons into his nationwide chain of coffee shops, even in states where “open carry” laws permit residents to carry guns in public.

The request, which has drawn wide media attention and condemnation from pro-gun groups, came after gun-control foes targeted Starbucks. They saw a business with liberal values and decided to hold “Starbucks Appreciation Days,” during which they marched into Starbucks with their guns in plain view, ordered drinks, and lingered with their guns—including assault rifles—leaning against their chairs and laps.

The most confrontational of these incendiary protests was to take place at a coffee shop on August 9 in Newtown, Connecticut, near the elementary school where a shooter killed 20 children and six staff members last December. In response, Starbucks’ corporate management closed that store early, “out of respect for Newtown and everything the community has been through,” the company’s website announced. Newtown Action Alliance, a gun-control group formed after the shootings, said the protest by gun advocates from Connecticut Open Carry was “reprehensible.”

But the gun nuts did not stop there. In this YouTube video from San Antonio, Texas, three men gloated about sitting outside of a Starbucks with military-style rifles in their laps to enjoy their coffees and “freedoms.” After police showed up as asked what was going on and said that creating a disturbance was a crime, one man replied, “If someone has a problem with what were doing, that doesn’t mean we are breaking the law.”

Open Carry supporters even made stickers of the woman in the center of the Starbucks logo holding two pistols, surrounded by “I LOVE [heart] GUNS & COFFEE.”

http://www.alternet.org/civil-libert...tter898716&t=3

as if we needed any more proof that you gun fellators are puerile, less wannabe-Mr-Macho/Rambo assholes.

You forgot a key part of the article, you know, the actual response from Schulz.


These actions prompted Starbuck’s president and CEO to draw a fine line: not outright banning guns in states with open carry laws but asking people to leave their guns outside his business. Howard Schultz wrote:

“Our company’s longstanding approach to “open carry” has been to follow local laws: we permit it in states where allowed and we prohibit it in states where these laws don’t exist. We have chosen this approach because we believe our store partners should not be put in the uncomfortable position of requiring customers to disarm or leave our stores. We believe that gun policy should be addressed by government and law enforcement—not by Starbucks and our store partners.

“Recently, however, we’ve seen the “open carry” debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening. Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called “Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “open carry.” To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores. Some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction, including soliciting and confronting our customers and partners.”

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I forgot nothing, I gave the link for your enlightenment

you assholes ignore: "To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores"

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The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country, whereas the predictive power of the mental illness burden was of borderline significance in a multivariable model. Regardless of exact cause and effect, however, the current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.

There is little question that the combination of mental illness and easy access to guns may prove to be synergistic in their lethality, as was seen in the shootings in Aurora, Tucson, at Virginia Tech, in Oak Creek, and other places in recent years. On the opposite end stands the contention that fewer firearms would reduce crime rates and overall lead to greater safety. Yet many of these arguments from both sides are based on little or no evidence. We sought to evaluate the relationship between prevalence of gun ownership and mental illness on firearm-related death in a given country.

Looking at international data, here's what they found:

In having almost as many guns as it has people, prevalence of private gun ownership was the highest in the US among both developed and developing countries. Japan, on the other end, had an extremely low gun ownership rate (see Table below). Similarly, South Africa (9.4 per 100,000) and the US (10.2 per 100,000) had extremely high firearm-related deaths, whereas the United Kingdom (0.25 per 100,000) had an extremely low rate of firearm-related deaths. There was a significant positive correlation between guns per capita per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths ( r ¼ 0.80; P < .0001) ( Figure, A ), with Japan being on one end of the spectrum and the US being on the other. In this correlation, South Africa was the only outlier in that the observed firearms-related death rate was several times higher than expected from gun ownership.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/09/18-1

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CNN'S DON LEMON: WITHOUT GUNS 'ARE WE SETTING OURSELVES UP TO BE SITTING DUCKS'?


by AWR HAWKINS 20 Sep 2013

As a guest on the Tom Joyner radio show, CNN host Don Lemon said he has come to see that guns are not necessarily a problem but being unarmed is. While communicating this position, he asked rhetorically, "[Without guns] are we setting ourselves up to be sitting ducks?"
Lemon said that looking at hard numbers and reading gun studies has helped him see "that most gun violence, and most crime in the country, [is] not worse, but is going down," even as news outlets increase their focus on mass shootings.
He said data shows "you have a better chance of getting shot walking down your street, getting into an altercation, or getting robbed in cities like New Orleans, Baltimore, Miami, D.C., Atlanta, or Cleveland than you do in getting shot or killed in a mass shooting."
Lemon says street crime in many big cities is an "epidemic," and for that reason remaining unarmed may not be the smartest route to take: "Armed with just our cellphones, our fists and our wits, are we setting ourselves up to be sitting ducks, defenseless in the face of a sane, or an insane person, armed to the teeth and bent on killing?"

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journal...-Sitting-Ducks

So mote it be.

[lefty]

Gun Nuts Go Too Far Again -- And This Time, Even Gun Advocates Are Calling the Gun Crazies "Idiots"

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has decided that gun nuts do not go with lattes.

On Tuesday, he wrote an open letter to “Fellow Americans” respectfully asking gun owners not to bring their weapons into his nationwide chain of coffee shops, even in states where “open carry” laws permit residents to carry guns in public.

The request, which has drawn wide media attention and condemnation from pro-gun groups, came after gun-control foes targeted Starbucks. They saw a business with liberal values and decided to hold “Starbucks Appreciation Days,” during which they marched into Starbucks with their guns in plain view, ordered drinks, and lingered with their guns—including assault rifles—leaning against their chairs and laps.

The most confrontational of these incendiary protests was to take place at a coffee shop on August 9 in Newtown, Connecticut, near the elementary school where a shooter killed 20 children and six staff members last December. In response, Starbucks’ corporate management closed that store early, “out of respect for Newtown and everything the community has been through,” the company’s website announced. Newtown Action Alliance, a gun-control group formed after the shootings, said the protest by gun advocates from Connecticut Open Carry was “reprehensible.”

But the gun nuts did not stop there. In this YouTube video from San Antonio, Texas, three men gloated about sitting outside of a Starbucks with military-style rifles in their laps to enjoy their coffees and “freedoms.” After police showed up as asked what was going on and said that creating a disturbance was a crime, one man replied, “If someone has a problem with what were doing, that doesn’t mean we are breaking the law.”

Open Carry supporters even made stickers of the woman in the center of the Starbucks logo holding two pistols, surrounded by “I LOVE [heart] GUNS & COFFEE.”

http://www.alternet.org/civil-libert...tter898716&t=3

as if we needed any more proof that you gun fellators are puerile, less wannabe-Mr-Macho/Rambo assholes.

Guuuuuuuns ....... beer ............... bbq ........... gut .............. grrrrr ............ manly !


We have guuuuuuuuuuuuuns ..................... we have biggers s now .............. guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuns

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Indiana 8-Year-Old Accidentally Shot By 11-Year-Old Brother


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...ar-old-brother

[Parker2112]

Liberals in this country support arming radical Muslims in Syria who are killing Muslim men, women and children of color, and the killing of men, women and children of color in other Middle Eastern countries, because a man of color tells them its necessary. Glaring idiocy?!?!?!?

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"Liberals in this country support arming radical Muslims in Syria"

You Lie, and go downhill from there.

[Parker2112]

The coopting of the Democratic parties and mindless liberals fawning over a man of color is responsible for untold hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide. Congrats, BD!!!

[AntiChrist]

The U.S. Has More Guns, But Russia Has More Murders

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2...s-more-murders

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Over 360,000 Gun Deaths Since 9/11 -- From the Outside It Looks Like America Is a Country Gripped by Civil War

The annual toll from firearms in the US is running at 32,000 deaths and climbing, even though the general crime rate is on a downward path (it is 40% lower than in 1980). If this perennial slaughter doesn't qualify for intercession by the UN and all relevant NGOs, it is hard to know what does.

To absorb the scale of the mayhem, it's worth trying to guess the death toll of all the wars in American history since the War of Independence began in 1775, and follow that by estimating the number killed by firearms in the US since the day that Robert F. Kennedy was shot in 1968 by a .22 Iver-Johnson handgun, wielded by Sirhan Sirhan. The figures from Congressional Research Service, plus recent statistics fromicasualties.org, tell us that from the first casualties in the battle of Lexington to recent operations in Afghanistan, the toll is 1,171,177. By contrast, the number killed by firearms, including suicides, since 1968, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI, is 1,384,171.

That 212,994 more Americans lost their lives from firearms in the last 45 years than in all wars involving the US is a staggering fact, particularly when you place it in the context of the safety-conscious, "secondary smoke" obsessions that characterise so much of American life.

Everywhere you look in America, people are trying to make life safer. On roads, for example, there has been a huge effort in the past 50 years to enforce speed limits, crack down on drink/drug driving and build safety features into highways, as well as vehicles. The result is a steadily improving record; by 2015, forecasters predict that for first time road deaths will be fewer than those caused by firearms (32,036 to 32,929).

Plainly, there's no equivalent effort in the area of privately owned firearms. Indeed, most politicians do everything they can to make the country less safe. Recently, a Democrat senator from Arkansas named Mark Pryor ran a TV ad against the gun-control campaign funded by NY mayor Michael Bloomberg – one of the few politicians to stand up to the NRA lobby – explaining why he was against enhanced background checks on gun owners yet was committed to "finding real solutions to violence".

http://admin.alternet.org/civil-libe...tter900814&t=7

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The Case for Gun Liability Laws

Knives. Automobiles. Cold medicine. Alcohol. Cigarettes. Coffee.

What do these items have in common?

They’re all held to a higher safety standard than firearms.

Because of product-liability law, manufacturers must equip them with proper warnings, limitations and built-in designs that enhance their safety.

If they don’t, consumers can sue them for harm caused by the product. And all consumer products manufacturers are required to ensure that their products are free of design defects and don’t threaten public safety.

Guns, as Jonathan Lowy of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s Legal Action Project has said, are “the only consumer product in America with no federal safety oversight.”

Firearms haven’t always been a protected class; but as the industry lost millions in lawsuits over the years, liability protection became the NRA’s holy grail.

Before 2005, the Brady Center — named for President Reagan’s press secretary James Brady, who was shot and paralyzed in a failed assassination attempt on the president — had launched multiple lawsuits around the country. Los Angeles, New York and 30 other cities, counties and states had filed civil lawsuits against gun manufacturers — including a $100 million suit against the gun industry by Bridgeport, Connecticut in 1999. The pain inflicted on negligent manufacturers was real and it was expensive.

In 2003, Bryco Arms declared bankruptcy after paying $24 million in the case of a 7-year-old boy who was paralyzed by a defective gun.

Before the gun lobby successfully killed all gun control legislation, there were some key wins in the fight to hold gun manufacturers liable. Last year, the New York State appellate court ruled that a Buffalo man who was shot nearly a decade ago could sue the gun manufacturer, distributor and dealer. In January 2013, Rep. Adam Schiff introduced legislation to fight legal immunity for gun manufacturers and dealers, the Access to Justice for Victims of Gun Violence Act.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176317...iability-laws#

[TSA]

First of all................ at UN intervention. If they want to see firearm deaths they are welcome to step foot on US soil and demand that guns be turned in. The UN needs to focus on countries that actually have homicide problems, the US is far down that list.

Over 360,000 Gun Deaths Since 9/11 -- From the Outside It Looks Like America Is a Country Gripped by Civil War
The annual toll from firearms in the US is running at 32,000 deaths and climbing, even though the general crime rate is on a downward path (it is 40% lower than in 1980). If this perennial slaughter doesn't qualify for intercession by the UN and all relevant NGOs, it is hard to know what does.

Second, your article conviently leaves out some important information.
Take out the 20,000 or so suicides by gun and we are looking at roughly 12,000 homicides by firearm per year.
"Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, cons uting almost 62% of all gun deaths"

Your article also leaves out that while general crime is down since the 80's, so is homicide by firearm.
" The national homicide rate for 2011 was 4.8 per 100,000 citizens — less than half of what it was in the early years of the Great Depression, when it peaked before falling precipitously before World War II. The peak in modern times of 10.2 was in 1980, as recorded by national criminal statistics."


you boutons and your articles, next time read them before you post them.

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First of all................ at UN intervention. If they want to see firearm deaths they are welcome to step foot on US soil and demand that guns be turned in. The UN needs to focus on countries that actually have homicide problems, the US is far down that list.Second, your article conviently leaves out some important information.
Take out the 20,000 or so suicides by gun and we are looking at roughly 12,000 homicides by firearm per year.
"Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, cons uting almost 62% of all gun deaths"

Your article also leaves out that while general crime is down since the 80's, so is homicide by firearm.
" The national homicide rate for 2011 was 4.8 per 100,000 citizens — less than half of what it was in the early years of the Great Depression, when it peaked before falling precipitously before World War II. The peak in modern times of 10.2 was in 1980, as recorded by national criminal statistics."


you boutons and your articles, next time read them before you post them.

suicides by gun are much more successful than suicides ATTEMPTED by other means, but you, gun fellator extraordinaire, exclude gun suicide from gun violence? You people are ing sickos.

[TeyshaBlue]

you boutons and your articles, next time read them before you post them.

Why start now?

[TeyshaBlue]

NB4 Stop stalking me!

[cantthinkofanything]

suicides by gun are much more successful than suicides ATTEMPTED by other means, but you, gun fellator extraordinaire, exclude gun suicide from gun violence? You people are ing sickos.

so you don't think someone has the right to check out? and you think that if there were no guns, it would significantly lower the incidents of attempted suicide?

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"so you don't think someone has the right to check out?"

I didn't say that.

"you think that if there were no guns, it would significantly lower the incidents of attempted suicide?"

impossible to say, but LESS GUNS would mean successful suicides. The reliability, speed, painlessness of gun suicide might tempt people to attempt more than if guns weren't widely available.

in any case, gun suicide IS GUN VIOLENCE and GUN DEATHS.

[TSA]

suicides by gun are much more successful than suicides ATTEMPTED by other means, but you, gun fellator extraordinaire, exclude gun suicide from gun violence? You people are ing sickos.

A suicide is a suicide.

[Th'Pusher]

A suicide is a suicide.

But an attempted suicide is not a suicide.

[TSA]

But an attempted suicide is not a suicide.

And?

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A suicide is a suicide.

a gun fellator is a gun fellator




Most lethal methods of suicide:


http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

[Th'Pusher]

And?

Guns enable the efficacy of suicide.