Reply With Quote
theist re
ok..I say modified communism..why not..if you believe in God and Christ (which I do) then we've been living under communism since the beginning of time...how?
well because of the old adage that the good has to suffer for the bad....Adam sinned and thus all men fall short of the glory of God because we're all sinners now...in other words we're forced to suffer because of Adam...that's communism for the worst if you ask me...but communism can also benefit society...I believe there should be different levels of communism...let's say levels 1-5 and at each level all people are equal...you don't move ahead unless you have a special gift to move from level 1 to 2 or from 4 to 5...level 5 being the domain of millionaires...no one should be allowed to be a billionaire...but you attain these levels based on your hard work...in other words Capitalism should be "controlled" by Communism...that way we still reward people for extraordinary work or gifts...and for those refusing to work then we put them in a Communism program called Minus Zero...where their suffering is based on their own work load...
this will force all people to work..of course special provision can be made for the disabled in any form...I have great vision...
theist re
Just where has Communism worked better?
believing in God makes me feel good...archeology proves the Bible's authenticity....If Einstein (and hundreds of other leading scientists) believed there's no reason I shouldn't...his was one of the most brilliant minds to ever grace earth....he's theorized on cosmological principals that has scientists baffled and testing and confirming his theories even to this day...I've studied his works and beliefs ad nauseum... based on his studies of the universe Einstein believed there is a God but that he's chosen to not make himself personal to us at the moment....but he died in that comfort and belief...if I have to choose I'm siding with Albert...theist re
sorry Leets
China owns the US in case you were unaware
Only 70%
Our country is taking over more of our day to day life so we are on our way anyway.
Last edited by Biernutz; 09-28-2013 at 06:50 PM.
..if we are it's thanks to Obama
So much false information in this post. Einstein didn't believe in god like you idiotbelieving in God makes me feel good...archeology proves the Bible's authenticity....If Einstein (and hundreds of other leading scientists) believed there's no reason I shouldn't...his was one of the most brilliant minds to ever grace earth....he's theorized on cosmological principals that has scientists baffled and testing and confirming his theories even to this day...I've studied his works and beliefs ad nauseum... based on his studies of the universe Einstein believed there is a God but that he's chosen to not make himself personal to us at the moment....but he died in that comfort and belief...if I have to choose I'm siding with Albert...
sorry Leets
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one.."On the question of an afterlife Einstein stated to a Baptist pastor, "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." This sentiment was also expressed in Einstein's The World as I See It, stating: "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature."
On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from Joseph Dispentiere, an Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was disappointed by a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious. Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
In a letter to Beatrice Frohlich, 17 December 1952 Einstein stated, "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve." Eric Gutkind sent a copy of his book "Choose Life: The Biblical Call To Revolt" to Einstein in 1954. Einstein sent Gutkind a letter in response and wrote, "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text."
On 24 April 1929, Einstein cabled Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein in German: "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." He expanded on this in written answers he gave to a Japanese scholar on his views on science and religion, which appeared as a limited edition publication, on the occasion of Einstein's 50th birthday:
'Scientific research can reduce supers ion by encouraging people to think and view things in terms of cause and effect. Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order... This firm belief, a belief bound up with a deep feeling, in a superior mind that reveals itself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God. In common parlance this may be described as "pantheistic" '
the US is the closest country to communism
China is communist like America is a democracy.
None of that dribble you posted rebutts what I said....it took you swiping a book from the internet only to agree with what I posted..I've highlighted in red the simple line you can't seem to comprehend...which is a more succinct way of proving my point...key word numnuts is "personal god"So much false information in this post. Einstein didn't believe in god like you idiot
believing in God makes me feel good...archeology proves the Bible's authenticity....If Einstein (and hundreds of other leading scientists) believed there's no reason I shouldn't...his was one of the most brilliant minds to ever grace earth....he's theorized on cosmological principals that has scientists baffled and testing and confirming his theories even to this day...I've studied his works and beliefs ad nauseum... based on his studies of the universe Einstein believed there is a God but that he's chosen to not make himself personal to us at the moment....but he died in that comfort and belief...if I have to choose I'm siding with Albert...
sorry Leets
That's not at all what he said, holy you're re ed
Not to mention you specifically Christ which would make you a Christian which he said vehemently he was not and thought personal gods were childish
But keep telling yourself Einstein believed in your got bible godIn a letter to Beatrice Frohlich, 17 December 1952 Einstein stated, "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve." Eric Gutkind sent a copy of his book "Choose Life: The Biblical Call To Revolt" to Einstein in 1954. Einstein sent Gutkind a letter in response and wrote, "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text."
"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
Einstein unfortunately was a tool of the media and was credited for lots of theories written by others.
And there is no workable communism as there is no workable capitalism, etc.
Every country on this planet is using some form of socialism these days i.e. capitalist socialism, communist socialism, fascist socialism, monotheistic socialism, etc. etc.
Einstein said he believed in God just not a personal one...you can deny it all you want..it's in the records...his study of the universe forced him into the God belief...Not to mention you specifically Christ which would make you a Christian which he said vehemently he was not and thought personal gods were childish
But keep telling yourself Einstein believed in your got bible god
- A. Einstein"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."3
So, the quick answer to the question is that Einstein did not believe in a personal God. However, it is interesting how he arrived at that conclusion. In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn't like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. He said this was one of the worst mistakes of his life. Of course, the results of Edwin Hubble confirmed that the universe was expanding and had a beginning at some point in the past. So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God:"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."4
However, it would also seem that Einstein was not an atheist, since he also complained about being put into that camp:"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."5
"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the at ude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."6
Specially for Leets:
Einstein on Jesus
Albert Einstein received instruction in both Christianity (at a Roman Catholic school) and Judaism (his family of origin). When interviewed by the Saturday Evening Post in 1929, Einstein was asked what he thought of Christianity.
"To what extent are you influenced by Christianity?"
"As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene."
"Have you read Emil Ludwig’s book on Jesus?"
"Emil Ludwig’s Jesus is shallow. Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrasemongers, however artful. No man can dispose of Christianity with a bon mot!"
"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"
"Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."7
So, although Einstein was not a Christian, he had great respect for Jesus, and recognized that He was an amazing figure in history. Personally having grown up as an atheist in a non-religious home, I initially saw Jesus as a brilliant teacher when I read the gospels for the first time at age 32.
Why no personal God For Einstein?
So, what was the reason Einstein rejected the existence of a personal God? Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?
Einstein's error
Einstein's failure to understand the motives of God are the result of his incorrect assumption that God intended this universe as His ultimate perfect creation. Einstein could not get past the moral problems that are present in our universe. He assumed, as most atheists do, that a personal God would only create a universe which is both good morally and perfect physically. Where Einstein erred was in that thinking that there was a god who designed the universe, but designed it in such as way as to allow evil without a purpose. If the universe were designed and it included evil, then there must have been a purpose for that evil. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God - to live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for eternity. It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good ones. Einstein didn't seem to understand that one could not choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. It's amazing that such a brilliant man could not understand such a simple logical principle.
Conclusion
No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether. If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God. Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world.
rofl @ your "evidence" concluding that Einstein "was not a Christian or even a theist" but whatever you have to do to justify believing in fairy tales dude
nothing of what you posted supports your re ed views
Most forms of government, especially socialism and communism, work flawlessly on paper. They do not take into account human nature. By nature most of the Libyan tribe are lazy ass apes.
NATIONAL socialism worked flawlessly in real life though as we all saw..you can't have socialism without the nationalism part. What we're trying to do is have a welfare state along with unchecked immigration which has been both hilarious and sad to watch.
not true brah...the only president in history in grant amnesty to millions of illegals was Ronald Reagan..if I'm not mistaken he granted amnesty to like 10 million illegals....
Key word is personal god...I said that in the very first post...however he does believe in God...,maybe you're not intellectual enough to understand the difference...it's a very simple concept....everything I've posted is consistent and spot on...you're the one emo'ing over God's existence...not me..the Bible even caricatured people like you so I have a clear knowledge advantage over you and you don't see itrofl @ your "evidence" concluding that Einstein "was not a Christian or even a theist" but whatever you have to do to justify believing in fairy tales dude
The Bible also says God is blinding the minds of the unbelievers..so it's no wonder you don't get itnothing of what you posted supports your re ed views
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
