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http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...13/10/shutdown good article tbh..
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart...idence-2013-10
Short term consumer confidence seems to be steady. Let's see what happens in a week if it keeps up.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...13/10/shutdown good article tbh..
Maddow showed many clips of tea baggers, 2010 candidates and 2011 electeds, saying 3 years ago they intended to shut down the govt. And several today said they were giddy about the shutdown.
Barry ain't gonna compromise, not gonna touch ACA, so the Repugs are now and will be losers all around.
Repugs refused 18 times to conference with Dems about the budget.
Today, Cantor tweets this pic of Repugs ready to conference but no Dems:
Repugs are such ING LIARS
lol land of the free, even basic healthcare u cant provide?
Terrible piece. Conference between the Senate and the House on the budget didn't happen because the House flat out refused (after demanding that the Senate present a budget nonetheless, as part of the 2011 fiscal deal negotiation), not because a 'bunch of stuff'.
And no, when it comes to appropriations, that's a task specifically delegated to Congress.
There's certainly plenty of blame to go around for the last minute theatrics, but pretending this wasn't planned to strong arm when the GOP has really no other leverage is just flat out absurd.
Why are we still shut down? It's clear at this point that Obamacare is going forward, glitches notwithstanding, and no leverage is going to be gained through a continuation of this situation.
The Republicans just need to concede that Obamacare isn't going to be a part of this negotiation and get the government running again. If they want concessions on en lement programs, the debt ceiling discussion seems the best avenue for that. And if they want to repeal/replace Obamacare, it'll have to come through elections as a backlash for poor implementation and lack of follow through on the promise for "lower premiums".
Reading this really pissed me off.
http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/c...he_government/
I was able to access the USGS water site earlier but I know some of the GIS sites are down.
If the House puts to a vote a clean CR bill, it will pass. It will be approved between the Dem minority and the non-tea potty Republicans, but it will pass. The Senate already passed it, so there's no chance of filibuster there.
It will likely cost Bohener his speakership, but the current manufactured crisis will likely cost him anyways.
There's no reason for the shutdown other than the House speaker no letting the House take a vote to please an extremely vocal and well funded minority.
In other words, the shutdown has everything to do with the GOP representatives being scared less of what their primaries are going to look like if they don't put their fists in the air and go ahead with this dog and pony show.
People call McCain a RINO and other stuff around here, but he's one of the few that speaks up without being scared of these extremist groups, and when he said 'elections have consequences', he's absolutely right. Barrycare will be repealed in the same way it was enacted: by winning elections to gain power and ramming the repeal through. It won't happen in this administration though.
Boehner looked like he'd lose it last time the teabaggers pulled this too.
Frankly, I think Boehner is waiting for Barry to override Reid. He already knows from the last 5 times or so that Barry will blink. But I just don't see Reid letting it happen, tbh.
Yeah Barry's folded an assload of times, but now he's basically saying " you, ima four year lame duck, "
I don't know man. Second term OMonkey doesn't need to worry about reelection.
Is there any chance that Obama does not finish his term? What if Republicans win the Senate majority?
he doesn't really need to worry about that, the Rs have to worry about keeping the house after all this
Ultimately agreed, but my question remains?
He's still in it for the style points though. That's just who he is. He'll probably keep campaigning and doing bus tours well into 2015...
If this keeps going two weeks from now, he'll likely break a law (probably the debt ceiling law) to simply avoid a default. That will likely cause the House to impeach him, but the Senate will leave him off the hook. So in the near future, not very likely.
(More on the outlaw president on this opinion piece here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/30/op...t-ceiling.html)
Thanks. Nono, what is your personal opinion on that subject (the impeachment of Obama). Do you fundamentally believe he deserves to be impeached and if so, do you find it likely?
Obama should be impeached for war crimes and treason, since a long time ago.
Personally, my understanding is that 'high crimes' (what the Cons ution indicates as a cause for impeachment) is a fairly nebulous term. We had a Prez impeached over to what apparently amounts to 'sexual misconduct', yet we had other Prez not impeached after flatly admitting to breaking the law (but hiding under the National Security blanket).
So, I think it's a highly politically charged subject. IMO, unless it's well supported, impeachment can backfire pretty badly too, and can be damaging to democracy if overplayed. What's clear to me, IMO, is that impeachment isn't going anywhere with Barry as long as the Senate is controlled by the Dems. And frankly, even with Barry suckitude, he's still much more liked than the Congress that would need to bring the charges.
So, personally, I don't see it happening.
Interesting. So you definitely think that it's not likely either way, but I somewhat sense you don't really see a need or believe he deserves to be impeached (whether it's based on principal or actual interpretation of the cons ution).
There are instances that I think you could make a solid case for impeachment (IE: I've expressed many times my disappointment at his doubling down of civil liberties violations, cons utional protected privacy, etc). But I'm also a practical person, and I understand that the dynamics of the impeachment process is one much closer to politics than law (IMO). So I don't dwell on it too much.
In a way, it's similar to what's going on in the House now. I understand they despise Barrycare (I don't like it either), and I also understand the extreme ideology (even if I don't necessarily share it), but the current political climate right now indicate this isn't the time or place strategically speaking to have that fight (IMO obviously).
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