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    Obama can just concentrate on foreign affairs legacy while the republicans choke themselves with their own teabags. It has to be a relief to put domestic stuff on autopilot and win by forfeit.

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    He's still in it for the style points though. That's just who he is. He'll probably keep campaigning and doing bus tours well into 2015...

    pretty much all he was hired for anyways.

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    The government doesn't own nature. The American people own the national parks and it is managed by the government because who else is going to manage it? There are tons of federal lands people can use but the National Parks are special and protected. They really can't operate without staff there for a mul ude of reasons including protection of the lands and sites in question. Many of these parks also require a fee - unlike national forests - which can't be collected if no one is there.

    And god damn post an original thought for once. Not everything has to be a meme picture.

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    The US should've shut down the federal government years ago and replaced it with a new government that works with any sort of efficiency and on behalf of the people rather than big corps and billionaires, imho.

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    The US should've shut down the federal government years ago and replaced it with a new government that works with any sort of efficiency and on behalf of the people rather than big corps and billionaires, imho.
    Killing citizens united would be a good step in the right direction

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    wouldnt obama be the first black US president to impeach, also first US president impeach for war crimes and treason?

    the white folks see nothing wrong with it if they can get away with it

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    The Republican Party’s Cons utional Coup

    Writing in the Washington Examiner, the well-connected conservative columnist Byron York estimates that as many as 175 of the 233 House Republicans are prepared to support a “clean” budget resolution stripped of references to the Affordable Care Act.

    James Fallows writes in The Atlantic, “this is different from anything we learned about in classrooms or expected until the past few years. We’re used to thinking that the most important disagreements are between the major parties, not within one party; and that disagreements over policies, goals, tactics can be addressed by negotiation or compromise.

    “This time, the fight that matters is within the Republican Party, and that fight is over whether compromise itself is legitimate.”

    By attempting to use budgetary extortion to annul a law passed by both houses of Congress, found cons utional by the U.S. Supreme Court, and ratified by a presidential election, an inflamed minority inside the Republican Party is attempting something like a cons utional coup d’état.

    Fallows: “there is no post-Civil War precedent for what the House GOP is doing now. It is radical, and dangerous for the economy and our process of government, and its departure from past political disagreements can’t be buffed away or ignored.”

    Former George W. Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson: “We are no longer seeing a revolt against the Republican leadership, or even against the Republican “establishment”; this revolt is against anyone who accepts the constraints of political reality. Conservatives are excommunicated not for holding the wrong convictions but for rational calculations in service of those convictions.”

    David Ignatius sees Boehner as a total failure: “Unable to control his own caucus, negotiate effectively with the president or pass legislation, he flounders in office—a likable man who is utterly ineffective.”

    the Speaker employing a deliberate rope-a-dope strategy: “After another defeat or two, and under the pressure of a shutdown, Boehner will finally turn to the 30 and say, ‘We tried it your way, over and over. Now, the majority will pass a resolution.’”

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-repu...tutional-coup/

    The other angle is Boner preserving himself. If he calls a vote on a clean CR, he seriously risks losing his Speakership.

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    And of course the Christ-like political "Christians" show up (old white rich guy with white, Biblical, manly facial hair to hide his lessness)

    Christian TV host asks God for ‘military takeover’ of Obama’s presidency



    A Christian TV host this week called on God to consider a “military takeover” of President Barack Obama’s government because it could be the only way to save the country from tyranny.

    On his Monday Internet broadcast, Morning Star TV’s Rick Joyner predicted that democracy was “doomed” unless the Lord imposed martial law.

    “The balance of powers in the legislative and judicial branches were supposed to balance and keep in check, hold in check, the potential tyranny from the executive branch overstepping their bounds,” Joyner explained. “The people are not always right, it depends on what people they are. And another thing the founders warned about is this thing will only work for a moral and a religious people. You remove morality, you remove the religious influence ( IOW, ME!! ), and it cannot work.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/0...as-presidency/

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    Because there'd be a log flume and a roller-coaster there if the government didn't own it.

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    The government doesn't own nature. The American people own the national parks and it is managed by the government because who else is going to manage it? There are tons of federal lands people can use but the National Parks are special and protected. They really can't operate without staff there for a mul ude of reasons including protection of the lands and sites in question. Many of these parks also require a fee - unlike national forests - which can't be collected if no one is there.

    And god damn post an original thought for once. Not everything has to be a meme picture.

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    Because there'd be a log flume and a roller-coaster there if the government didn't own it.
    Yes there would!!!! Thank you!!

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    Dude if either of us is a crybaby......

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    Government Shutdown Puts Hundreds of Thousands of Middle-Class, Low-Wage Workers at Risk


    The worker, who preferred not to reveal his real name, is an attorney in his early 30s who earns $70,000 a year and owes over $100,000 in law school loans. He and his wife identify as middle-class, though their steep student loans cause them to live paycheck-to-paycheck.


    “Since Congress failed to pass an appropriation, we have to go into work on Tuesday for just four hours to do ‘shutdown operations,’” he told RH Reality Check. “After that, we go home indefinitely. Some management is staying, but we go home and turn off our phones, watch the news, and wait for this to be resolved.”

    Once the shutdown ends, there is no guarantee he will receive back pay for the days he doesn’t work. One of his biggest concerns is his student loan payments. “I don’t know whether I’m going to try to defer my student loans while the shutdown is going on or not. It’s difficult to defer temporarily,” he said.

    The attorney’s wife, who also spoke to RH Reality Check on the condition of anonymity, works at a D.C.-based nonprofit and owes $30,000 in student loans. “We are lucky enough that we both make a decent living, but Washington, D.C., is extremely expensive,” she said. “We pay very high rent for a one-bedroom apartment. We have to sit down and figure out how long we can survive, if we can make rent this month, and chances are strong that we cannot.”

    She said that if worst came to worst, the couple could try to borrow money from friends. “But I know many are much, much worse off,” she said.

    “A lot of my colleagues are just disgusted and dismayed,” said her husband. “This is hard on me, and I make a reasonable salary. I know there are many who don’t make much at all who can’t afford to not be paid for even a couple of days.”
    Though the short term will be a struggle for this couple, over the long term they are in a better position to rebound than many. The majority of federal government workers earn $35,000 to $40,000 per year, as Ned Resnikoff points out at MSNBC.com. J. David Cox, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, told Resnikoff, “[The salary range] is not over-bloated, that is not overpaid and ridiculous, that is people who are struggling to buy food and keep a roof over their head.”

    These workers are cooks, wait staff, and concession workers who earn low salaries and have little chance of economic mobility or stability. Some low-wage federal workers were speaking out about their wages before the shutdown; indefinitely losing their wages will only exacerbate their struggles.

    http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...orkers-at-risk

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    Dude if either of us is a crybaby......
    It's you

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    Ted Cruz Warns That Shutdown Could Lead To A Terrorist Attack Against U.S.

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/10/02/2719221/ted-cruz-warns-that-the-shutdown-he-caused-could-lead-to-attack-on-us/

    Cruz brilliant?



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    Top Conservative: Not ‘The End Of The World’ For Women And Infants Losing Food During Shutdown



    “I don’t think it’s the end of the world,” Kristol said of the shutdown,

    Arkansas scrounged up leftover federal funds that will buy two weeks’ worth of school meals for tens of thousands of those kids, but when that money runs out no more will come from Washington unless the government reopens.

    There is no guarantee other states will share Arkansas’s good fortune, either. The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) will not issue new payments to states, meaning that any state that has already spent all its federal food assistance money will be without recourse. Utah’s WIC program shut down suddenly on Tuesday, leaving 65,000 residents without nutrition assistance. WIC administrators in Chicago and Wisconsin told Forbes they do not know how much of a funding cushion they have and fear a surprise cutoff to services. In Tennessee, contingency funding may or may not last into next week.


    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...-shutdown-wic/


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    Rick Perry: Implementing Obamacare Is A ‘Felony’

    “If this health care law is forced upon this country, the young men and women in this audience are the ones who are really going to pay the price,” Perry claimed. “And that, I will suggest to you, reaches to the point of being a felony toward them and their future. That is a criminal act, from my perspective, to put that type of burden on them, to mortgage their future like that.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...e-is-a-felony/

    Holy , the right-wing, Repugs, tea baggers are saturated with dumb s.





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    Five Facts That Show The GOP’s Newfound Desire To Compromise Is Bogus


    1. House Republicans could have avoided a shutdown by accepting a Senate offer that made huge spending concessions to conservatives. The government shut down at after Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) declined to bring up a short-term spending bill (known as a “continuing resolution” or CR) passed by Senate Democrats. The government has operated on CRs rather than proper annual budgets ever since 2010, when Republicans first began demanding that cuts be attached to even the most basic functions of government. Compared to the budget Democrats had enacted at that time, the Senate CR rejected late Monday night in the House is $199 billion lighter. What’s more, the first House Republican budget of the Tea Party era would have spent $109 billion more in 2014 than what the Senate CR proposed. The Senate CR didn’t include language preventing the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, which Republicans had sought. But in the most fundamental sense the Senate CR represented a huge budget compromise with Republicans who want huge spending cuts.



    2. Congress has already cut $2.4 trillion from the deficit.
    Congress has enacted about $2.4 trillion in total deficit reduction since 2011. Roughly three dollars out of every four knocked off the deficit in that time has come from spending cuts, indicating substantial compromise on the part of Democrats who support the programs that absorbed those cuts.

    3. Republicans can’t even pass specific legislation enacting the further cuts they say they want.
    Republicans say they want even more spending cuts, but budget resolutions and abstract packages like sequestration just set total spending levels without identifying specific cuts to achieve those levels. When Republicans in the House try to get specific about their grand gestures, they fail. In August, House leaders yanked a bill of specific cuts to lead removal programs, community development grants, and homelessness assistance programs because it was not going to pass.

    4. Republicans refused to enter budget negotiations with the Senate 18 times – and bragged about it – before they started accusing Democrats of refusing to go to conference this week.
    On Tuesday, Republican leaders tweeted a photo of themselves sitting across from empty chairs. But the GOP refused to fill those chairs themselves for six months. Democratic Senate leaders requested a conference committee with the House to hash out the differences between their budget proposals 18 separate times over half a year, and Republicans refused each time. Senators like Rand Paul (R-KY) took to the floor of the chamber with signs boasting of the number of days they’d succeeded in “Preventing A Back Room Deal To Raise The Debt Limit.”

    5. Republican demands indicate the only “compromise” they’d accept involves President Obama adopting Mitt Romney’s policies.
    Even as they cry “compromise,” Republican lawmakers are insisting that Democrats must agree to gut the landmark 2010 health care law. They have not budged from that position in the current fight, which is just the latest instance of Republicans defining compromise as agreeing to their positions. Previously the party has demanded a balanced budget amendment to the Cons ution, supply-side tax reform of the sort designed by former Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan (R-WI), letting companies refuse to cover birth control in employee health care plans, deregulating the coal and oil industries, and slashing food stamps funding. Those are just some of the 21 Republican party platform planks that the GOP has demanded as conditions for either extending government funding or agreeing to pay the country’s bills on time.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...mise-is-bogus/

    Feels like this shutdown could go on for weeks, overlapping the debt ceiling Repug crisis even if Oct 17 is somewhat of a soft drop-dead date as we learned in the 2011 debt-ceiling Repug crisis.

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    Five Facts That Show The GOP’s Newfound Desire To Compromise Is Bogus


    1. House Republicans could have avoided a shutdown by accepting a Senate offer that made huge spending concessions to conservatives. The government shut down at after Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) declined to bring up a short-term spending bill (known as a “continuing resolution” or CR) passed by Senate Democrats. The government has operated on CRs rather than proper annual budgets ever since 2010, when Republicans first began demanding that cuts be attached to even the most basic functions of government. Compared to the budget Democrats had enacted at that time, the Senate CR rejected late Monday night in the House is $199 billion lighter. What’s more, the first House Republican budget of the Tea Party era would have spent $109 billion more in 2014 than what the Senate CR proposed. The Senate CR didn’t include language preventing the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, which Republicans had sought. But in the most fundamental sense the Senate CR represented a huge budget compromise with Republicans who want huge spending cuts.



    2. Congress has already cut $2.4 trillion from the deficit.
    Congress has enacted about $2.4 trillion in total deficit reduction since 2011. Roughly three dollars out of every four knocked off the deficit in that time has come from spending cuts, indicating substantial compromise on the part of Democrats who support the programs that absorbed those cuts.

    3. Republicans can’t even pass specific legislation enacting the further cuts they say they want.
    Republicans say they want even more spending cuts, but budget resolutions and abstract packages like sequestration just set total spending levels without identifying specific cuts to achieve those levels. When Republicans in the House try to get specific about their grand gestures, they fail. In August, House leaders yanked a bill of specific cuts to lead removal programs, community development grants, and homelessness assistance programs because it was not going to pass.

    4. Republicans refused to enter budget negotiations with the Senate 18 times – and bragged about it – before they started accusing Democrats of refusing to go to conference this week.
    On Tuesday, Republican leaders tweeted a photo of themselves sitting across from empty chairs. But the GOP refused to fill those chairs themselves for six months. Democratic Senate leaders requested a conference committee with the House to hash out the differences between their budget proposals 18 separate times over half a year, and Republicans refused each time. Senators like Rand Paul (R-KY) took to the floor of the chamber with signs boasting of the number of days they’d succeeded in “Preventing A Back Room Deal To Raise The Debt Limit.”

    5. Republican demands indicate the only “compromise” they’d accept involves President Obama adopting Mitt Romney’s policies.
    Even as they cry “compromise,” Republican lawmakers are insisting that Democrats must agree to gut the landmark 2010 health care law. They have not budged from that position in the current fight, which is just the latest instance of Republicans defining compromise as agreeing to their positions. Previously the party has demanded a balanced budget amendment to the Cons ution, supply-side tax reform of the sort designed by former Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan (R-WI), letting companies refuse to cover birth control in employee health care plans, deregulating the coal and oil industries, and slashing food stamps funding. Those are just some of the 21 Republican party platform planks that the GOP has demanded as conditions for either extending government funding or agreeing to pay the country’s bills on time.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...mise-is-bogus/

    Feels like this shutdown could go on for weeks, overlapping the debt ceiling Repug crisis even if Oct 17 is somewhat of a soft drop-dead date as we learned in the 2011 debt-ceiling Repug crisis.

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    Dispatches from 9 Red States: Despite Tea Party Speeches, Web Glitches and Lousy Local Media, Many Residents Want Obamacare


    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/red-states-residents-want-obamacare?akid=11001.187590.IfEwMR&rd=1&src=newsle tter904577&t=5&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark


    this is EXACTLY why the Repugs want to kill ACA. It's going to be huge success, HUGE PROGRESS, for USA, and in red states, as well. Repugs are ed, have ed themselves. Let 'em bleed.



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    Dispatches from 9 Red States: Despite Tea Party Speeches, Web Glitches and Lousy Local Media, Many Residents Want Obamacare


    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/red-states-residents-want-obamacare?akid=11001.187590.IfEwMR&rd=1&src=newsle tter904577&t=5&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark


    this is EXACTLY why the Repugs want to kill ACA. It's going to be huge success, HUGE PROGRESS, for USA, and in red states, as well. Repugs are ed, have ed themselves. Let 'em bleed.


    I guess we will have to wait and see if enough healthy young people sign up or if the majority of them say it and just pay the penalty. Doesn't the system's success basically depend on this?

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