MJ is without question a more skilled one on one player than Lebron, although I think its pretty much impossible to stop him from driving once he gets a head of steam if you have to guard him with no help. It's hard to say who would win that, because even though MJ has more skills and Lebron would be a one trick pony, its an unstoppable trick, much like Shaq. He didn't have a ton of moves, but once he backed you deep in the paint, put his body on you and spun, there was no stopping him in any one on one situation. Lebron is the same with his drive. I don't know if MJ could handle his big body, power, and finishing ability.
But truth is, Lebron's one on one ability isnt what makes him great. Its his all around ability. He may not be the very best in any one aspect of the game, but he is still elite in virtually every aspect of the game.
I agree. And if that one trick was against Durant I think it works. Against stronger guys like Melo or MJ I think it would be tougher. And getting that head of steam is different in 1 on 1 vs. 5 on 5 unless there were no fouls called. Again Phillip is right 1 on 1 really takes away from what makes a Bird, Magic or Lebron so great.
you're off base...Lebron is not a great player in my view because he has no real prime compe ion...Paul George is not prime compe ion to me...
Kobe faced a bunch of real s when he came up...people made millions just defend Kobe...Bruce Bowen was brought in by the Spurs for the sole reason of defending Kobe...do you think it's a surprise all the NBA greats would prefer a prime Kobe over Lebron...you're only mesmerized by the hype but you're too blinded to see it..Lebron has done NOTHING in this league that has impressed me..on or off the court...on the court his game is just a basic power game and hard slam for a break-away dunk...he brings nothing that we haven't seen...should I post for you the links of today's players who prefer Kobe over Lebron...how in the are you the player of your generation when today's players view Kobe as the greatest..that's a shame tbh....Larry Johnson dunked just as hard as Lebron does....Lebron cannot do the things with the ball that MJ and Kobe did...therefore I'm simply not impressed...it's like Dennis Rodman said: "He would be just another average player if he played in our era" that's the hard cold truth...you may not like it but it is what it is...dude faces no elite defenders...there are no more AI's or TMAC's, or Prime Nash, or Duncan or Kobe's...this dude is playing in an era and skating by....he ing choked off game 6 two KEY turnovers in the finals minute and Ray Allen bailed his ass out...dude would have only 1 ring from a locked out season if he wasn't bailed out at the last minute in game 6...real players are not impressed with Lebron..you're still cheering for up based on a hype machine...he's a decent player but he's no where ing near Kobe or MJ's level and all the true players know it...when he had a chance to go at a player of his generation (D-Wade) he decided to join him instead of going at him that was the ultimate pussy ass move and cemented his cowardness in my view..I'm not against him playing with great players but that's like Magic or Bird deciding they want to play together...it was real bush league and it shows he really has NO heart...I cannot be moved on this subject...you're disrespecting the game by trying to compare this kid to MJ and Kobe...MJ has already spoken and all you people can say now is that MJ is jealous
If you know math then That percentage is a lot of difference considering Kobe took a lot more 3 Ptrs on his careerJordan career 3p% 0.327. Career high season (excludes shortened 3p line seasons) 0.372.
Kobe - .336 /.383.
lot of difference right there.
Kobe 3p% vs Bowen, including playoffs - 0.278
You make some great points and Maybe without Ray, Lebron is the Peyton Manning of the NBA the greatest REGULAR SEASON player of his era ...you're off base...Lebron is not a great player in my view because he has no real prime compe ion...Paul George is not prime compe ion to me...
Kobe faced a bunch of real s when he came up...people made millions just defend Kobe...Bruce Bowen was brought in by the Spurs for the sole reason of defending Kobe...do you think it's a surprise all the NBA greats would prefer a prime Kobe over Lebron...you're only mesmerized by the hype but you're too blinded to see it..Lebron has done NOTHING in this league that has impressed me..on or off the court...on the court his game is just a basic power game and hard slam for a break-away dunk...he brings nothing that we haven't seen...should I post for you the links of today's players who prefer Kobe over Lebron...how in the are you the player of your generation when today's players view Kobe as the greatest..that's a shame tbh
But he did win. And he was the best player on 3 straight Finals teams.
Unlike you I have to be fair. IF Horry doesn't bail us out ... Kobe has 4 and Shaq only has 3. Again it works both ways.
Just like Amb you are trying to detract from Lebron for a bail out 3 pointer but then Horry hit one that saved us vs. Sacramento.
I dont do qualifiers. if you are the best or even 2nd best player on a le team it's legit. Even Pippen's 6 are legit he is ust not as great a player as Kobe, Lebron, Shaq MJ or Duncan.
are you re ed?If you know math then That percentage is a lot of difference considering Kobe took a lot more 3 Ptrs on his career
Theres so much truth in this post.you're off base...Lebron is not a great player in my view because he has no real prime compe ion...Paul George is not prime compe ion to me...
Kobe faced a bunch of real s when he came up...people made millions just defend Kobe...Bruce Bowen was brought in by the Spurs for the sole reason of defending Kobe...do you think it's a surprise all the NBA greats would prefer a prime Kobe over Lebron...you're only mesmerized by the hype but you're too blinded to see it..Lebron has done NOTHING in this league that has impressed me..on or off the court...on the court his game is just a basic power game and hard slam for a break-away dunk...he brings nothing that we haven't seen...should I post for you the links of today's players who prefer Kobe over Lebron...how in the are you the player of your generation when today's players view Kobe as the greatest..that's a shame tbh
Lebron was a regular season warrior. I keep asking his Stans this question but they all ignore it. How is it that lebrons numbers across the board dips in the playoffs (ppg rpg apg fg% ts% and per) when the opposite can be said to greater players like Kobe,mj
You dumb don't even know math, foh
This. He won. You could perhaps say the same about a couple of MJ's les. If Paxson/Kerr didn't hit some game winners during their playoff/finals runs, who knows what could have happened? I know MJ knobslobbers/Lebron haters will say "well they still would have had another game to play", well... that is exactly the point. All a team needs is one more opportunity to steal victory, just as Miami did this year. The season seemed all but done, and if Leonard hit that FT, the Spurs would have been champs. But he didnt, and Miami took advantage of it, won game 6, and then won game 7. The same could have happened to the Bulls, if Paxson and Kerr missed those game winners, and the series went to a 7th game. MJ may have one or two less les as a result.
And Ray's shot means NOTHING if it weren't for Lebron going nuts and rallying the team back singlehandedly from a 10+ point deficit in the 4th. And if Wade wasn't such a useless pile of crap in that game, they probably would have won comfortably in regulation, but instead, as soon as he came back into the game after Lebron generated the run, Wade started trying to play hero ball and took shots away from Lebron, the chemistry was ruined and San Antonio made a run that almost ended the series for Miami.
You really are re ed. These fallacies that you claim to be factual stats, are a load of crap. We have already done this once before.Theres so much truth in this post.
Lebron was a regular season warrior. I keep asking his Stans this question but they all ignore it. How is it that lebrons numbers across the board dips in the playoffs (ppg rpg apg fg% ts% and per) when the opposite can be said to greater players like Kobe,mj
Great point Kerr and Paxson COULD be a the difference between 6 and GOAT status and Magic, Kareem or or even Lebron as GOAT.
I dont love Lebron I have one pair of his "kicks" I just admire a great talent realizing is potential. i f he had not would of been the crime of the century. Despite some mental flaws he is so gifted.
if 2pts is 2pts, why does it matter how he scores them? u have no problem kobes range and bad shot selection chucking, but u have a problem how lebron scores his?you're off base...Lebron is not a great player in my view because he has no real prime compe ion...Paul George is not prime compe ion to me...
Kobe faced a bunch of real s when he came up...people made millions just defend Kobe...Bruce Bowen was brought in by the Spurs for the sole reason of defending Kobe...do you think it's a surprise all the NBA greats would prefer a prime Kobe over Lebron...you're only mesmerized by the hype but you're too blinded to see it..Lebron has done NOTHING in this league that has impressed me..on or off the court...on the court his game is just a basic power game and hard slam for a break-away dunk...he brings nothing that we haven't seen...should I post for you the links of today's players who prefer Kobe over Lebron...how in the are you the player of your generation when today's players view Kobe as the greatest..that's a shame tbh
kobe played against bull at his position in the playoffs and finals, u know it man, dont bring in RS h2h matches, that is bull cause nothing is on the line compared to a elimination series
How is it that LeBron can win a ring while leading his team in points, assists, and steals, but Kirby needs to be an omega male riding on the coattails of generational bigs to win any rings at all?Theres so much truth in this post.
Lebron was a regular season warrior. I keep asking his Stans this question but they all ignore it. How is it that lebrons numbers across the board dips in the playoffs (ppg rpg apg fg% ts% and per) when the opposite can be said to greater players like Kobe,mj
I think Lebron is smart for driving to the hole ...he should do it more, tbh.
Yeah and you lost so many times tbh, you're a certified dumbass to even bring it up
You want me to pull it from the archive, for your embarrassment?
prime or not, he is containable....it has been shown by 07 series and the mavs series....weakminded,
i dont know the difference between him and jordan when it comes to ref calls, one is a fkn begger, the other is like automatic foul freebie
ok then feel free to take away the Ray Allen 3 pointer...dude still choked off that game with HIS...HIS turnovers...that's not detracting...no shame in saying a choke artist is a choke artist...he's the best player on his team I'm not arguing it..I'm arguing him being the best player on his team in this watered down era...and people trying to erroneously use stats to justify his greatness...in my view you're only as good as the defender in front of you...who does Bron face? it's easy to hit jumpers and stroll down the lane when there's no price to pay...
PS: tbh from a Media's perspective there's no shame in an old ass Timmy losing to a prime Bron...but had that been Kobe we're talking Crucifixion...and yet they'd have us still believe that Timmy is better than Kobe...
the games the heat won in the finals against the spurs, rewatch those fkn game and you can tell it was fkn fix by the refs
refs never allowed the spurs to get on a run or close the gap to closer than 6pts and they will blow some random call to stop the spurs momentum...
it wouldve been a sweep imo if refs just allowed them to play
Please do. I'm anxious to see what you are talking about.Yeah and you lost so many times tbh, you're a certified dumbass to even bring it up
You want me to pull it from the archive, for your embarrassment?
Ok, im convinced you're either really stupid or just a good ol fanboi.
I already taught you history and I remember you not having any rebuttal but here we go again, ill dish it once more since you seem to have little understanding about the series when you're probably 3 yrs old at the time
You CANNOT, EVER, EVER compare kerr and paxson's shots against ray allen's game 6 hailmary. EVER.
the bulls were up 3-1 at one point against phoenix in 93, and 3-2 against the jazz. the bulls were never in danger of losing the series, they also have HCA which practically guarantees them a win even if they lost games 6 hypothetically, but that's beside the point. lebran stans always like to play this role playing game when it comes to LeBron using arguments like "if kerr and pxson missed the shots, you never know" I mean really, if you have to resort to that "what if" argument, then you already lost.
have you seen Jordan's NBA finals stats from games 1-5 in both series? yeah its quite good.
now, have you seen LeBron's stats in 2013 frm games 1-5? yeah, he shot under 40% not once, but twice
point is, allen's impact with that hailmary shot is undeniably bigger and larger than both of kerr and paxson's simply because the Spurs already have that game 6 wrapped up after Lebron missed a 3 pts with 10 seconds to go. Allen gave LeBron a second chance to recollect his ty nba finals self by making that unbelievable shot. You can't say the same for Kerr and Paxson's
Kerr's shot was made with the game tied at 86, missing it would only mean the bulls will take care of business in OT. again, two very different scenarios.
ill help you out with visual aids since you're too unstable to realize it.
Lebron James 2013 NBA Finals
Game 1
18 Points 43% Shooting- Spurs Win
Game 2
17 pts 41% Shooting Spurs Loss
Game 3
15 pts 33% Shooting Spurs Win
Game 4
33 Pts 60% Shooting Spurs Loss
Game 5
25 Pts 33% Shooting Spurs Win
Game 6
32 Pts 42% Shooting- Spurs shoulda won
Right then and there, since Lebron Stans like playing What if. Lebron's legacy would've been 1 win 4 Finals trips, with the GOAT shooting a historic high 42% from the field
Things are OK, same old.
Every game Kobe played in had a large sample of one of one in there, and yes, I have seen him extensively, given that the Lakers have been one of the primary opponents of the Spurs in the last decade +. Kobe takes long 3s, and he does take heavily contested shots, which will be shots that he will STILL take in a one on one game. I am arguing because your primary argument that his shot selection is the problem with his similar 3p% as Jordan is not a valid argument, as his shot selection will STILL suck in a game of 1-1.
See above. Kobe's range is not necessarily better than Jordan, I saw no evidence of it. He took, and therefore made, more long range shots because of his poor shot selection, not because he was better at it.
I thought he said Lebron > Kobe, but that he would want to WIN with Kobe because the way Kobe worked. Larry Bird straightout said Lebron was the better player. I am not exactly sure where he said Kobe > Bird.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...rs-kobe-bryant
Totally different comparison. Bird's peak was way better than Kobe's, and Bird's longevity at his peak wasn't that much shorter than Kobe's. Bird peaked for about 5 years, same as Kobe. Just that sports "medicine" has improved so much to prolong Kobe's career.
As noted in the other thread of Duncan vs. Hakeem, once you factor in pace, Duncan and Hakeem's peak was pretty much the same. People look at raw numbers and assumed Hakeem was better, but Duncan was about the same in terms of offensive responsibilities. While I admit that, at his peak, Hakeem was the better defensive player, Duncan was much more versatile in terms of building a team around.
Sports medicine, compe ion, voter bias, etc ..
Team accomplishments. Different compe ion. 2nd banana vs. alpha.
Why? Why aren't 1st and 2nd team All NBA players overrated?
In 3 less finals appearances (which are team accomplishments btw).
As mentioned, Hakeem's peak really isn't > Duncan, they are more equal than people acknowledge. Same as Shaq. People are obsessed over raw numbers, but like I said, 1 pound <> 1 US Dolalr <> 1 Cambodian Riel <> 1 Japanese Yen.
Some guy shot 100 shots and made 30 of them, he shot 30%. Some guy shot 1000 shots and made 300 of the, he shot 30%.If you know math then That percentage is a lot of difference considering Kobe took a lot more 3 Ptrs on his career
If you know your math, you can tell that 30% = 30%. There is no difference.
WTF is this bull ? Now that you finally acknowledge Kobe was a beta, you are saying that his beta status was better than Pippen's beta status?
Give me a break KK, just stop, please. You are making rules out of your ass now.
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