Maggette or Young, which is the better fit?

[xmas1997]

Why do people waste so much time debating about something we're going to see in a few weeks? We'll know who's the better fit and the better playoff as camp goes on.

True enough, but it beats arguing with the Manu/Pop hating trolls, it is certainly more constructive, just not as entertaining.

[Obstructed_View]

True enough, but it beats arguing with the Manu/Pop hating trolls, it is certainly more constructive, just not as entertaining.

True dat.

[iManu]

This is interesting. On a healthy team the backup small-forward doesn't stand to get many minutes. But what happens when Leonard is out? Either Pop starts Belinelli and moves Green over (similar to what happened with Neal last season) or he promotes the third-string directly into the starting lineup and keeps his rotation intact (which he usually does). If the former happens, then Young is a better choice, since he's the better defender and the team could better handle large small-forwards with him rather than relying on Ginobili or Belinelli to spell Green. If it's the latter, then it might be important to have an offensive player next to Green, since both Danny and Splitter are currently lesser cogs in the starting offense. So Maggette would seem to make sense.

Boiled down, Young's probably the better player for a fringe-rotation spot, but Maggette is probably better as a spot-starter. Whatever role Pop wants his 15th man to play is probably decide who gets the last spot.

Excellent take.

Considering our injury history, I think we should go with Maggette (I think many on here don't understand that he was one of the greatest prospects in history when he landed with Duke, and he's still, imho, needing to accomplish something: to prove his scouts right).

[exstatic]

Excellent take.

Considering our injury history, I think we should go with Maggette (I think many on here don't understand that he was one of the greatest prospects in history when he landed with Duke, and he's still, imho, needing to accomplish something: to prove his scouts right).

He came out, and never really developed anything but a "put down your head and bull to the rim" game. I think he's an awful fit, sort of the exact opposite of what we need. He can't shoot, and can't defend, sort of a no3, noD player. If he's not a high usage player for your team, he really doesn't offer much. Detroit found that out.

[SenorSpur]

There was a time that I, and others on this board, really campaigned hard for the Spurs to sign Maggette. Of course, this was pre-RJ. Never a good defender, but he could always score and get to the rim with ease, plus he's an excellent FT shooter. Despite being older, it seems that he's obviously got something left in the tank.

Young, on the other hand, is younger, is a better defender and, contrary to what some think, he does have some "sneaky" offensive skills. That well-known pump-fake of his is still lethal and effective. Sure, his shooting skills could stand some polish and I believe Chip would handle that. I just don't think Indiana got all they could've out of him. I do recall how he killed the Spurs in the Memphis series a couple of years ago.

For what the Spurs specifically need from a backup SF, I believe Young is the better choice for the backup SF spot - short term and long term.

[xmas1997]

There was a time that I, and others on this board, really campaigned hard for the Spurs to sign Maggette. Of course, this was pre-RJ. Never a good defender, but he could always score and get to the rim with ease, plus he's an excellent FT shooter. Despite being older, it seems that he's obviously got something left in the tank.

Young, on the other hand, is younger, is a better defender and, contrary to what some think, he does have some "sneaky" offensive skills. That well-known pump-fake of his is still lethal and effective. Sure, his shooting skills could stand some polish and I believe Chip would handle that. I just don't think Indiana got all they could've out of him. I do recall how he killed the Spurs in the Memphis series a couple of years ago.

For what the Spurs specifically need from a backup SF, I believe Young is the better choice for the backup SF spot - short term and long term.

Maggette sure does look like he has something left, but looks can be deceiving.
Young looks old, but looks can be deceiving.

[spurraider21]

we were supposed to sign Maggette years ago until Golden State threw all their money at him... jerks

[spurraider21]

Why do people waste so much time debating about something we're going to see in a few weeks? We'll know who's the better fit and the better playoff as camp goes on.

because that is what sports fans do

[SenorSpur]

Maggette sure does look like he has something left, but looks can be deceiving.
Young looks old, but looks can be deceiving.

That's very true and I hadn't thought about that. Maggette looks very much younger than his actual age, while Young looks older than Maggette and he's only 28.

[silverblk mystix]

Keep em both - get rid on Bonner.

Obvious.

[SpurSwag]

Keep them both and get rid of nando tbh. Nando has a skillset that is pretty redundent and unneeded on this team while Maggette and Young can both be involved in small ball line ups and have specific skill sets. Given the choice between the two though I defintely would rather have Maggette because he can create and score for himself. That's something that spurs fan really undervalued Neal for, the spurs have notoriously lacked creators outside of the big 3 for years which is why the RJ deal was so acclaimed and exciting. I think Maggette can still be an effective player, and with much more reasonable expectations from Spurs fans who aren't expecting him to be the final piece to a championship like RJ, he could be really effective in 10-15 minutes a game. Pretty much take the minutes of Jax and give them to Maggette

[xmas1997]

If they do keep both then they will have to get rid of someone.
There is no guarantee they will keep either.

[TheGreatYacht]

Keep em both - get rid on Bonner.

Obvious.

or Nando.

[exstatic]

There was a time that I, and others on this board, really campaigned hard for the Spurs to sign Maggette. Of course, this was pre-RJ. Never a good defender, but he could always score and get to the rim with ease, plus he's an excellent FT shooter. Despite being older, it seems that he's obviously got something left in the tank.

Young, on the other hand, is younger, is a better defender and, contrary to what some think, he does have some "sneaky" offensive skills. That well-known pump-fake of his is still lethal and effective. Sure, his shooting skills could stand some polish and I believe Chip would handle that. I just don't think Indiana got all they could've out of him. I do recall how he killed the Spurs in the Memphis series a couple of years ago.

For what the Spurs specifically need from a backup SF, I believe Young is the better choice for the backup SF spot - short term and long term.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Sam Young. If he can fix his offensive game, he really would not be a bad option at the back-up 3.

[dallasmaverickslose]

On a serious note, why can't we just get rid of Nando de Colo and keep Maggette and Young? Nando looked like a ing scrub (reminded me a lot of Manu in Game 6) during the summer league. I didn't get to watch Nando on the French NT though.

lol. Give Nando a chance. He's still pretty raw, but has shown some decent flashes of potential.

[look_at_g_shred]

Doesn't young lack size for the 3? Even if he fixes his jumpshot, does his lack of size worry anyone?

[xmas1997]

Doesn't young lack size for the 3? Even if he fixes his jumpshot, does his lack of size worry anyone?

How tall is he compared to Maggette?

[monkeypunk]

Doesn't young lack size for the 3? Even if he fixes his jumpshot, does his lack of size worry anyone?

He's only an inch shorter than Kawhi. Active hands and good position can make up somewhat for lack of height.

[look_at_g_shred]

He's only an inch shorter than Kawhi. Active hands and good position can make up somewhat for lack of height.

Thanks.

[monkeypunk]

I'd like to keep both but if it's one or the other, I think I'm now in the Young camp. Looks hungry so he should be working hard with Chip to get a reliable shot. If he can nail that down, he'll be a good backup for Kawhi. We need defense over offense with this roster spot. Especially with Beli looking to play big minutes, providing offense to that second unit.

I gotta agree with others that this team is stacked. What a luxury to be looking at players of Mags and Youngs ability for the 15th spot. Spurs fans not excited about this season are straight up spoiled es.

[xmas1997]

I'd like to keep both but if it's one or the other, I think I'm now in the Young camp. Looks hungry so he should be working hard with Chip to get a reliable shot. If he can nail that down, he'll be a good backup for Kawhi. We need defense over offense with this roster spot. Especially with Beli looking to play big minutes, providing offense to that second unit.

I gotta agree with others that this team is stacked. What a luxury to be looking at players of Mags and Youngs ability for the 15th spot. Spurs fans not excited about this season are straight up spoiled es.

I only wish we could push back time to where Timmy and Manu were in their prime.
Then we would be really stacked.

[Hoops Czar]

I'd like to keep both but if it's one or the other, I think I'm now in the Young camp. Looks hungry so he should be working hard with Chip to get a reliable shot. If he can nail that down, he'll be a good backup for Kawhi. We need defense over offense with this roster spot. Especially with Beli looking to play big minutes, providing offense to that second unit.

I gotta agree with others that this team is stacked. What a luxury to be looking at players of Mags and Youngs ability for the 15th spot. Spurs fans not excited about this season are straight up spoiled es.

Neither Maggette or Young are luxuries at this point or they'd already be signed elsewhere. The Spurs are stuck looking for a bottom of the barrel SF, something the Spurs FO maybe should have put forth a little more time and effort into during the off season so it wouldn't have to come to this.. Maggette's defense is terrible so if he can't provide a spark on offense, there's no point to signing him. Young is the obvious choice here because of his defense, but he still needs to knock down open jumpers on offense or teams are going to sag off him and clog the lanes.

You're grossly misusing the term "stacked". Ayres is injury prone and hasn't even played meaningful minutes in the NBA. De Colo, Mills and Baynes are still on the roster and don't provide much offense or defense. CoJo, the predetermined best of the rest, is still raw and now he's expected to carry the load at the backup pg position. Ginobili and Duncan are a year older and you have to expect a little regression in overall production at the bare minimum, not to mention a decrease in minutes as well. Belinelli and Neal cancel each other out. I'm not even going to factor in the possibility of injuries to key contributors like Kawhi, TP, or ginobili., who, all of which, are injury prone. All in all, the jury is still out on whether this team will be better than last year's.

Also, I've said it once so I'll say it again, just because Maggette/Young are vying for the 15th roster spot doesn't mean they're going to be treated like one. Both are playing for the backup SF position and whoever is signed will definitely be a fixture in the rotation behind Leonard. De Colo, Mills and Baynes will still be end of the bench fodder.

[look_at_g_shred]

Neither Maggette or Young are luxuries at this point or they'd already be signed elsewhere. The Spurs are stuck looking for a bottom of the barrel SF, something the Spurs FO maybe should have put forth a little more time and effort into during the off season so it wouldn't have to come to this.. Maggette's defense is terrible so if he can't provide a spark on offense, there's no point to signing him. Young is the obvious choice here because of his defense, but he still needs to knock down open jumpers on offense or teams are going to sag off him and clog the lanes.

You're grossly misusing the term "stacked". Ayres is injury prone and hasn't even played meaningful minutes in the NBA. De Colo, Mills and Baynes are still on the roster and don't provide much offense or defense. CoJo, the predetermined best of the rest, is still raw and now he's expected to carry the load at the backup pg position. Ginobili and Duncan are a year older and you have to expect a little regression in overall production at the bare minimum, not to mention a decrease in minutes as well. Belinelli and Neal cancel each other out. I'm not even going to factor in the possibility of injuries to key contributors like Kawhi, TP, or ginobili., who, all of which, are injury prone. All in all, the jury is still out on whether this team will be better than last year's.

Also, I've said it once so I'll say it again, just because Maggette/Young are vying for the 15th roster spot doesn't mean they're going to be treated like one. Both are playing for the backup SF position and whoever is signed will definitely be a fixture in the rotation behind Leonard. De Colo, Mills and Baynes will still be end of the bench fodder.

Kyrie gonna surprise the league this year?

[Hoops Czar]

Kyrie gonna surprise the league this year?

Yes, although It won't be a surprise.