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    Just something to think about but this summer my granddad was diagnosed with cancer and quickly started the chemo treatments. His wife, my grandmother, died 13 years ago after they'd been married for 40 happy years. Tuesday of this week would have been her birthday, and he had to do chemo on that day but before he started the doctors checked his white blood cell counts and then told him the cancer was gone. Now, I'm not saying that crazy coincidence was the work of God, but the two of them were in church every week. They raised my mother that way and she raised me that way (although I can say basically every time I went to church was because I was forced to go and since I've been out of the house I haven't gone back because it's essentially a self-imposed guilt trip and that). So, I'm sure everyone in my family thinks God did this for him and I won't say anything to try to take that away.
    Nothing wrong with attributing good things with God, as long as you also attribute bad things with the same God, meaning God gave him cancer in the first place to he could remove it so you'd believe in him. Then you have to allow that the same God allows children to be raped and murdered, butchered, burned alive, etc..

    Unless you have a nebulous concept of a god and only refer to it during troubling times, you should either consider a god to be omniscient and omnibenevolent, or simply apathetic to the human condition.

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    Ok, a little more time to try and explain the Law question.
    Christ was the fulfillment of the Law through His birth and death and especially rising from the dead, as explained by others here, but it goes deeper than that.

    As also explained by others Christ also set new laws into place as well as explained their value for mankind, but most especially showed through His Acts and Actions the proper path to salvation.

    It goes deeper than a simplistic view of just walking His walk or the popular view that one should believe in Him as their personal savior. This view is what mainstream Christian religion would have you believe, and that is ok for those who don't mind being led by the nose, who must have some sort of assemblage or church or symbol to believe in, but it misses the mark and places too much power in those man made ins utions. Many of His apostles warned against this. In fact they went so far as to chastise many of the church leaders of the times for misusing and misleading to gain personal power in the name of Christ, rather than spreading the Word.
    The Word was that He had come, fulfilled the Laws of the OT, arose from the dead and erased original sin. But He commanded us to follow in His footsteps. He promised that those who did as He did, would not only do the things He did, but do even greater things than He did.

    In other words, if you live your life as a personification of Christ, or as closely as you can, exemplify Christ, or better yet, be a Christ like example through your everyday ACTIONS then Christ will begin to work through you.
    If you reflect Christ, then in essence, you are Christ and Christ is you. You rise above your earthly desires.

    This is saying a lot in a simplistic manner because it means a lot.
    For example, Christ was never poor in the earthly sense, nor was He an egotist throwing around a superior persona, nor was He sickly, nor was He ignorant, nor was He greedy, nor did He wage war, nor was He jealous, or prideful, or desirous of anything more than the love of the Father. He walked the talk, and that talk was love and forgiveness which was His new commandment to mankind. To do this is not easy, but worth it because it leads straight to the Father.
    And it even extends to life on earth in that a person who is Christ like will never know sickness, want, hunger, or even death, even in a literal sense.

    All of these teachings were explained in His parables. Unfortunately many of His followers (or brothers as He called them so as to not set Himself up as being better than them) misunderstood. They could not accept these simple truths because they had so little faith, because their lives were beset with pains, illness, poverty, enemies, etc.

    But the truth was it was all in their minds, they, having free will, had created their own misery. The Father never created their misery, rather He allowed them to create it. We still do, even now.
    And what's more, while they were constantly creating their own misery in the world, they were so ignorant and devoid of faith, they weren't even aware that they were doing it, in other words they were creating their own on earth and were so ignorant that they.didn't even know they were responsible for doing it. Instead they blamed every external thing or person they could think of except themselves, they even blamed God for their woes.

    Christ's Law is that once we reflect His Way and seek the Father, then all of us become Christ ourselves, Christ becomes us, and then poverty, sickness, and contentiousness will disappear in our lives, and we will even conquer death.
    It is spiritual in nature first, but the new Law is that it filters down and becomes reality physically, emotionally, and mentally.

    You are all welcome to believe whatever you want of this. I have tried to explain it in as simplistic a manner as possible.
    Jesus used parables for the most part because it is so hard to believe, even to this day. It literally takes a suspension of belief sometimes in order to accomplish. It seems like fairy tales, but it is Truth.

    Yet Christ did it in His day, and said we all would be able to do it too, if we followed His example, because we all are also Sons of the Father just as Jesus is, thus co-heirs to the kingdom of the Father. Thanks to Jesus Christ, we are all co-creators in and of life too, and the veil of original sin has been lifted, if we will only see, and seek the truth.
    We all limit ourselves by our beliefs, God does not limit us, He gave us free will, because our beliefs are literally who we are, who we were, and who we will become. What you believe, so will it be. And all you need is faith no bigger than a mus seed.
    I Am That I Am
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    Thanks for quoting JR Lee a great Christian author who was the one that lead CS Lewis to Christ. Chronicles of Narnia and Lord of the rings series are great Christian book series. I agree with blake a Christian shouldn't cherry pick. Xmas theres no inconsistencies you just need to stydy further to iron out the supposed inconsistencies. Blake I did have a point to make but doesnt work till someone tells me who they think the list of verses I put are about. A non Christian needs to do that and its pretty clear once u read them
    Ismael, it never stops. I never stop learning. The more I learn, the more I realize I have much more to learn.

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    Ok, a little more time to try and explain the Law question.
    Christ was the fulfillment of the Law through His birth and death and especially rising from the dead, as explained by others here, but it goes deeper than that.

    As also explained by others Christ also set new laws into place as well as explained their value for mankind, but most especially showed through His Acts and Actions the proper path to salvation.

    It goes deeper than a simplistic view of just walking His walk or the popular view that one should believe in Him as their personal savior. This view is what mainstream Christian religion would have you believe, and that is ok for those who don't mind being led by the nose, who must have some sort of assemblage or church or symbol to believe in, but it misses the mark and places too much power in those man made ins utions. Many of His apostles warned against this. In fact they went so far as to chastise many of the church leaders of the times for misusing and misleading to gain personal power in the name of Christ, rather than spreading the Word.
    The Word was that He had come, fulfilled the Laws of the OT, arose from the dead and erased original sin. But He commanded us to follow in His footsteps. He promised that those who did as He did, would not only do the things He did, but do even greater things than He did.

    In other words, if you live your life as a personification of Christ, or as closely as you can, exemplify Christ, or better yet, be a Christ like example through your everyday ACTIONS then Christ will begin to work through you.
    If you reflect Christ, then in essence, you are Christ and Christ is you. You rise above your earthly desires.

    This is saying a lot in a simplistic manner because it means a lot.
    For example, Christ was never poor in the earthly sense, nor was He an egotist throwing around a superior persona, nor was He sickly, nor was He ignorant, nor was He greedy, nor did He wage war, nor was He jealous, or prideful, or desirous of anything more than the love of the Father. He walked the talk, and that talk was love and forgiveness which was His new commandment to mankind. To do this is not easy, but worth it because it leads straight to the Father.
    And it even extends to life on earth in that a person who is Christ like will never know sickness, want, hunger, or even death, even in a literal sense.

    All of these teachings were explained in His parables. Unfortunately many of His followers (or brothers as He called them so as to not set Himself up as being better than them) misunderstood. They could not accept these simple truths because they had so little faith, because their lives were beset with pains, illness, poverty, enemies, etc.

    But the truth was it was all in their minds, they, having free will, had created their own misery. The Father never created their misery, rather He allowed them to create it. We still do, even now.

    Christ's Law is that once we reflect His Way and seek the Father, then all of us become Christ ourselves, Christ becomes us, and then poverty, sickness, and contentiousness will disappear in our lives, and we will even conquer death.
    It is spiritual in nature first, but the new Law is that it filters down and becomes reality physically, emotionally, and mentally.

    You are all welcome to believe whatever you want of this. I have tried to explain it in as simplistic a manner as possible.
    Jesus used parables for the most part because it is so hard to believe, even to this day. It literally takes a suspension of belief sometimes in order to accomplish. It seems like fairy tales, but it is Truth.

    Yet Christ did it in His day, and said we all would be able to do it too, if we followed His example, because we all are also Sons of the Father just as Jesus is, thus co-heirs to the kingdom of the Father. Thanks to Jesus Christ, we are all co-creators in and of life too.
    We all limit ourselves by our beliefs, God does not limit us, He gave us free will, because our beliefs are literally who we are, who we were, and who we will become. What you believe, so will it be. And all you need is faith no bigger than a mus seed.
    I Am That I Am

    To dumb it waaaay down for spurstalk posters - here is what I believe you are saying here;


    Christ was awake.

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    Thank you, but I admit I wasn't always this way. I've had a lot of rude awakenings along the way. Nowadays I try not to be so dogmatic and self righteous, because that is just ego getting in the way of things.
    I think you need to able to laugh at yourself, because when you stop doing that, then you start taking yourself way too seriously, and this leads to mistakes.
    I believe that is what Pop refers to, that so many of the haters are refusing to understand, that they are confusing with a loser at ude.


    For clarification purposes - in case you include me in this;

    I believe what YOU are confusing is that I actually agree with a lot of what Pop does and says and stands for - AS A HUMAN BEING.

    As a coach - this is the WORST thing you could do.

    The same way that gov't separates religion and laws - is the same way I see coaching a pro team for glory/money/rewards etc...

    and living a true life with a humble sense of perspective.

    Pop appears to have his really together - as a human being living a true life.

    Pop is coaching a pro team and he needs to be a ballbreaking/ambitious/mother er - in order to beat everyone else.

    Love Pop the human being.

    Hate Pop the coach of my beloved team.

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    • Levon wears his war wound like a crown
    • He calls his child Jesus 'cause he likes the name
    • And he sends him to the finest school in town.
    • Levon, Levon likes his money
    • He makes a lot they say
    • Spend his days counting
    • In a garage by the motorway
    • He was born a pauper
    • To a pawn on a Christmas day
    • When the New York Times
    • Said God is dead and war's begun
    • Alvin Tostig has a son today
    • And he shall be Levon
    • And he shall be a good man
    • And he shall be Levon
    • In tradition with the family plan
    • And he shall be Levon
    • And he shall be a good man
    • He shall be Levon.

    Bernie Taupin - one of my earliest influences.

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    To dumb it waaaay down for spurstalk posters - here is what I believe you are saying here;


    Christ was awake.
    Wow, yes, Christ was awake, aware, enlightened, whatever, the veil was lifted.
    And a case could be made that the veil was original sin.
    Thanks, couldn't say it better myself.

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    Wow, yes, Christ was awake, aware, enlightened, whatever, the veil was lifted.
    Thanks, couldn't say it better myself.
    Well, you have - at least tried to be civil in here - I gave up - but this has been my message as long as I have been here - but no one really wants the truth. The difference has always been - when it comes to the god question - is that - being awake is the only way to get anywhere near truth - even though most of us were programmed to do the opposite.

    What most people want is to confirm what they already believe - not to actually seek truth.

    I applaud your tactfulness when addressing those in here and am seriously curious to see how long it can last.

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    Well, you have - at least tried to be civil in here - I gave up - but this has been my message as long as I have been here - but no one really wants the truth. The difference has always been - when it comes to the god question - is that - being awake is the only way to get anywhere near truth - even though most of us were programmed to do the opposite.

    What most people want is to confirm what they already believe - not to actually seek truth.

    I applaud your tactfulness when addressing those in here and am seriously curious to see how long it can last.
    You yourself are blind according to you, so you have no say in what enlightened truth is.

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    For clarification purposes - in case you include me in this;

    I believe what YOU are confusing is that I actually agree with a lot of what Pop does and says and stands for - AS A HUMAN BEING.

    As a coach - this is the WORST thing you could do.

    The same way that gov't separates religion and laws - is the same way I see coaching a pro team for glory/money/rewards etc...

    and living a true life with a humble sense of perspective.

    Pop appears to have his really together - as a human being living a true life.

    Pop is coaching a pro team and he needs to be a ballbreaking/ambitious/mother er - in order to beat everyone else.

    Love Pop the human being.

    Hate Pop the coach of my beloved team.
    you're blind.

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    Actually true Christians do just that. Otherwise they'd be Jews. The entire NT is a set of exceptions to the OT, using a more user friendly god. Also, the OT spanned thousands of years while the NT was about one person only. The term "Christian" means the believer has already violated a commandment: "Thou shalt have no other god before me". Christians are worshipers of Christ, not of God. They refer to God but worship Jesus.
    John 1, Jesus refers to himself as God, clearly OT Jew God.

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    I am human. I am going to make my share of mistakes due to my personal imperfections.
    But hopefully I will keep learning from those mistakes until I don't make them anymore.
    But I am also of God, and blessed with His gifts.
    Free will is an extremely powerful mechanism.
    Science helps actually in understanding things like this.
    How?
    Science has shown how the human mind works very similarly like a computer, what we program into it is what we get out of it.
    It is also like a flower bed. If we plant seeds of doubt, worry, fear, etc., then those are the weeds that will grow and maybe even choke off the good seeds we planted such as prosperity, happiness, peace, etc.
    Thus when we water the flower bed, we water the weeds with the flowers. We allow for the terrible things that happen to us in life to actually occur because we thought of them in the first place and gave them power by our free will.

    That is why we have a huge responsibility to censor our every thought, our words, and our actions or deeds.

    Christ gave us a huge powerful weapon to do this with.
    It is called forgiveness and is born of love.

    We need to forgive ourselves for having our imperfect or negative thoughts, worries, and fears.
    And we also need to forgive others for the same.
    Plus we also need to constantly censor those thoughts, words, and actions.

    That way we wipe the slate clean, we weed out the flower bed, we deprogram our computer like minds and get rid of the viruses that infect it.
    Free will is very powerful. It is God's great gift to us that is His impetus behind all of creation, His force that we use to create with.
    But forgiveness is even more powerful, it is a sword and a shield, and it is the great gift of Christ from His love for us.
    Again I do not ask any one of you to believe any of this. This is my personal belief. It is what it is.
    I Am That I Am
    Last edited by xmas1997; 10-05-2013 at 03:21 PM.

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    To dumb it waaaay down for spurstalk posters - here is what I believe you are saying here;


    Christ was awake.
    He was trying to explain the law.

    You're too dumb for this. Take your unenlightened hate for Pop back downstairs.

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    so many agendas on Spurstalk tbh. Why can't we all just be friends?

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    He was trying to explain the law.

    You're too dumb for this. Take your unenlightened hate for Pop back downstairs.
    So you can't answer the question I posed to you above, you can be civil when you want to be and you are definitely a lifelong butthurt poster whenever you address me because you are proving it right here.

    Got it!

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    Well, you have - at least tried to be civil in here - I gave up - but this has been my message as long as I have been here - but no one really wants the truth. The difference has always been - when it comes to the god question - is that - being awake is the only way to get anywhere near truth - even though most of us were programmed to do the opposite.

    What most people want is to confirm what they already believe - not to actually seek truth.

    I applaud your tactfulness when addressing those in here and am seriously curious to see how long it can last.
    Sometimes it is just plain less frustrating to just go ahead and give up, that I understand.
    There is never any reason to not be civil, however. The alternative is barbarianism.
    Yes, most of us were programed to be sheep, follow the Christian party line.
    But that becomes impossible when even a tiny part of the veil is lifted from our eyes.
    I think your statement, "no one really wants the truth", is only partially true though.
    First, I suspect you feel that way due to frustration and second, from having to deal with being ridiculed for expressing your opinion.
    If so, consider, they may be reacting exactly the same as you are.
    And we all know where pissing contests get us, right?
    If not, there is always something somewhere that happens to us to remind us, to bring us back to reality, to the reality that we have most probably taken ourselves too seriously for our own good.

    I think most people actually do seek the truth, but either our pride or our ego gets in the way.
    We get in the way of ourselves, and thus down comes the veil.
    Laughter helps lift my veil, that is why I am capable of laughing at myself.
    Last edited by xmas1997; 10-05-2013 at 04:02 PM.

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    John 1, Jesus refers to himself as God, clearly OT Jew God.
    ??????

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    Skull, do not forget that Blake most closely aligns himself with agnosticism so rather than ridicule, please try and help, and even though he may not accept your help in the long run, then at least you tried.
    Yes, it can be frustrating, but it is worth the effort.
    Blake is most probably reacting to being ridiculed, even I can see that.
    Help, resist hurting out of frustration. You are bigger than that.

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    Skull, do not forget that Blake most closely aligns himself with agnosticism so rather than ridicule, please try and help, and even though he may not accept your help in the long run, then at least you tried.
    Yes, it can be frustrating, but it is worth the effort.
    Blake is most probably reacting to being ridiculed, even I can see that.
    Help, resist hurting out of frustration. You are bigger than that.
    In this case I was not ridiculing. That was a sign of perplexity.

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    In this case I was not ridiculing. That was a sign of perplexity.
    Ok, perplexity then. We all get perplexed every now and then.
    Now, back to the subject matter.
    Is there any way we can have this discussion without it perplexing you?
    I seriously doubt anyone wants to do that on purpose.

    It will not be easy, but I think it is important enough for us to understand where you are coming from, how you have arrived at what you believe, and what exactly it is that you do believe.
    And if you say it in lay terms, that be the best and easiest for us to understand. That is what I did when I explained what I had to say.

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    Soyou can be civil when you want to be and you are definitely a lifelong butthurt poster whenever you address me because you are proving it right here.

    Got it!
    Keep in mind three different people share the screen name and cubicle where Blake works.

    That is why you sometimes are arguing with a Blake that says and you's every other word and depending on what time of the day or shift it is your sometimes talking to a Blake that doesn't curse at all.

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    Sometimes it is just plain less frustrating to just go ahead and give up, that I understand.
    There is never any reason to not be civil, however. The alternative is barbarianism.
    Yes, most of us were programed to be sheep, follow the Christian party line.
    But that becomes impossible when even a tiny part of the veil is lifted from our eyes.
    I think your statement, "no one really wants the truth", is only partially true though.
    First, I suspect you feel that way due to frustration and second, from having to deal with being ridiculed for expressing your opinion.
    If so, consider, they may be reacting exactly the same as you are.
    And we all know where pissing contests get us, right?
    If not, there is always something somewhere that happens to us to remind us, to bring us back to reality, to the reality that we have most probably taken ourselves too seriously for our own good.

    I think most people actually do seek the truth, but either our pride or our ego gets in the way.
    We get in the way of ourselves, and thus down comes the veil.
    Laughter helps lift my veil, that is why I am capable of laughing at myself.
    A little perspective if you will;

    In forums where there are rules and people get banned quickly for questionable conduct - these religious discussions end up pretty badly anyway.

    In here - where there are no rules and anyone can be a total ass and get away with it -these religious discussions are just an excuse for assholes to display asshole behavior.

    It never really matters if the message gets across tbh - you say your piece and let the chips fall where they may - if assholes can't or won't grasp it - it does not really make a difference - the truth is there anyway. When I said I gave up - I didn't mean to imply I had much invested in it - I meant I give up trying to play by the rules in a place where there are no rules.

    The truth has always been there but people will not see it because they are blind - not because they are evil. No one does evil in awareness only when they are asleep.

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    Keep in mind three different people share the screen name and cubicle where Blake works.

    That is why you sometimes are arguing with a Blake that says and you's every other word and depending on what time of the day or shift it is your sometimes talking to a Blake that doesn't curse at all.
    lol

    do you also think that sometimes when he posts he believes he is posting as chumpie?

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    Actually Chump shares his cubicle with two others also. I busted him a few months ago when I was exposed to a Government paid poster back when Alex Jones was trying to post pics of the Boston Bombings. I thought it was just another conspiracy that the Government hires computer geeks to monitor and post at various websites.

    So I did some research I noted the times and dates when Chump and Blake were online it only left 2 hours a day for sleep.

    Also the style of posting was different. Not to mention the Blake #2 and Chump #3 had no idea of the conversations we had earlier.

    Now that I know about this I wait until Chump #2 or Blake #1 is online before I engage in any conversations with them.

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