Is there a Bible/ New Testament expert in the house?

[silverblk mystix]

If you're gonna label me something, I guess the closest thing would be agnostic.

a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of theexistence or nature of God or of anything beyond materialphenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.


Does the red part apply to you also?

[Skull-1]

I have this feeling that you and I believe roughly the same things, and that they are metaphysical in essence.
We have differences, sure, such as you prefer to use scripture for your examples.
Whereas I do not like using them in that manner because others throughout the ages have used them perversely to justify their personal agendas.
I prefer to use modern-day examples to show my contentions and proofs.
I could be wrong. If so, let me know.
In any case, as long as we agree to be able to disagree, then we can respect each other's beliefs.

I have several gay, bi, and lesbian friends. The only ones I give jazz to are the few who attend church. My primary advice is to get out of said church because they're being taught lies. Their sex life is not my priority. The rest I just tease mercilessly for mutual laughs.

There are way too many hypocrite so-called Christians. They pick on sexuals OUTSIDE the faith to divert attention from the extreme wickedness WITHIN it.

[xmas1997]

I have several gay, bi, and lesbian friends. The only ones I give jazz to are the few who attend church. My primary advice is to get out of said church because they're being taught lies. Their sex life is not my priority. The rest I just tease mercilessly for mutual laughs.

There are way too many hypocrite so-called Christians. They pick on sexuals OUTSIDE the faith to divert attention from the extreme wickedness WITHIN it.

I have nothing against sexuals either. That is not my sexual preference.
As I said once before, it is the ACT of sexuality that is the sin, not the person themselves.
If a gay is refraining from the act, and actively seeking the love of God through their conscience, then who am I to judge them?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That is a VERY deep and fair question with an equally deep answer.

The Reader's Digest version is: If "all of the law and the prophets prophesied until John" and the prophecy is about Christ... Then the fulfilment of those prophecies is Him. Also remember that He said, "All will be judged on the day of judgment by the words I have spoken" not the words the (fictional/composite) Moses spoke.

God spoke through many ways it said in Hebrews 1 but now speaks through His Son. The law Christ is fulfilling is not the Law of Moses for certain because He overturned that stuff. But again, people continue to abide by it with their covenant breaking and false gospel stupidity ( hing, church on "the Sabbath", remarriage, etc.).

Divorce and remarriage is the most visible of these things. Anyone who is hard of heart is not under or in Christ. They are under sin and death, the Law of Moses....the flesh. It is really simple once you see it. But almost no one does.

IOW, I will pick and choose what I want because Jesus is like a Wild Draw 4. Neither Paul nor Jesus makes it that clear cut but you can pick and choose through that as well apparently.

[xmas1997]

IOW, I will pick and choose what I want because Jesus is like a Wild Draw 4. Neither Paul nor Jesus makes it that clear cut but you can pick and choose through that as well apparently.

Hey hey fuzzy, glad you came back to the discussion!
Now if we can also get some more of Mouse's humor, then I can laugh a little more.
Thank God that God has such a varied sense of humor.
What a boringly pious world this would be without it.

Skull, Christians don't have a monopoly on hypocrisy, practically every faith have their share, including those who do not believe in a deity. I think ignorance is the basis for it though.

[Skull-1]

IOW, I will pick and choose what I want because Jesus is like a Wild Draw 4. Neither Paul nor Jesus makes it that clear cut but you can pick and choose through that as well apparently.

No, they don't make it that clear, but if I take you through the process you will get lost at the first turn. So thank me for distilling it down so that you STILL can't get it, fuzzynumbnuts.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, they don't make it that clear, but if I take you through the process you will get lost at the first turn. So thank me for distilling it down so that you STILL can't get it.

Once again a claim that an argument can be made but not being made.

You're typical in today's US Christianity in that you pick and choose what you want to follow. Between Luther and Emmerson it seems every American thinks they are the arbiter of God's will. You just take it a step further and think that you suffer as He has suffered and that you somehow can relate to the divine. It's hubris from a faith big on humility and knowing your place relative to God. It's ironic considering that you are buying what Paul is selling. If you believe the rapture is nigh then best hope you are right in what you are choosing as needing repentance or that god buys gross generalities.

[Skull-1]

Once again a claim that an argument can be made but not being made.

You're typical in today's US Christianity in that you pick and choose what you want to follow. Between Luther and Emmerson it seems every American thinks they are the arbiter of God's will. You just take it a step further and think that you suffer as He has suffered and that you somehow can relate to the divine. It's hubris from a faith big on humility and knowing your place relative to God. It's ironic considering that you are buying what Paul is selling. If you believe the rapture is nigh then best hope you are right in what you are choosing as needing repentance or that god buys gross generalities.

. The rapture is not literal either.

Please try to grow a brain or stop discussing a topic you clearly do not grasp.

I am anything but typical. I reject everything in "today's Christianity" because the scriptures do not teach those things. Luther is a pathetic racist joke.

But, yes, I have been defrauded and withstood suffering for the gospel. Not to His extent, yet, thankfully. But make no mistake this path is anything but easy.

Luke 6:40 - "A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained fully trained fully trained will be like his teacher."


The scripture cannot be broken.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

fuzzynumbnuts.

You edited your post to add this in, liar? How about you tell us of your friendship with Stephen Hawking, astronauts and your sci-fi book-writing?

[Skull-1]

You edited your post to add this in, liar? How about you tell us of your friendship with Stephen Hawking, astronauts and your sci-fi book-writing?

Yep. I edited it nine minutes BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE your reply. It was appropriate, you moronic dbag.

I am not going to tell you anything. It is a waste of keystrokes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

. The rapture is not literal either.

Please try to grow a brain or stop discussing a topic you clearly do not grasp.

I am anything but typical. I reject everything in "today's Christianity" because the scriptures do not teach those things. Luther is a pathetic racist joke.

But, yes, I have suffered for the gospel. Not to His extent, yet, thankfully.

Luke 6:40 - "A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained fully trained fully trained will be like his teacher."


The scripture cannot be broken.

broken
suffered
teacher

You completely missed the point I was making about Luther and Emmerson. You can claim what you like but you pick and choose just like the rest. Claiming your choice is teh right one using the same methods as they notwithstanding.

Whether or not the rapture is 'literal' or whatever else intellectual copout you choose to pick and choose, judgement is what is it is. Best hope the eternal God doesn't go back 4000 years.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yep. I edited it nine minutes BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE your reply. It was appropriate, you moronic dbag.

I am not going to tell you anything. It is a waste of keystrokes.

Again, you show your true self. Your lack of self control is noted, monkey.

[xmas1997]

If u ask me theres lil point in researching other books or faiths cause Judiaism is the oldest and original. The faith God created and intended us to follow until His Son arrived as Judiaism predicted. God wouldn't contadict Himself with other faiths or make the one He established look incorrect. Those are the works of Satan to deceive us from His truth.

I disagree that they are works of Satan. If what you say were correct then there would be no need to read any books at all. That would mean that any book except the Bible were works of Satan.

I can only answer for me. I read those other books to get a better understanding of their religion or faith to see what they believe and why they believe it. Also it gives me a great frame of reference to see the differences and similarities in what I already know or feel is truth.
And for the most part there are more similarities than there are differences IMHO.

As for Satan? Do you believe that God created Satan? If so, and if He knows all things, then why would He make evil?
If not, and Satan is the fallen archangel Lucifer, then again why, because isn't God all knowing?
I have an answer for this but I would like to see your rationale first.

[Skull-1]

broken
suffered
teacher

You completely missed the point I was making about Luther and Emmerson. You can claim what you like but you pick and choose just like the rest. Claiming your choice is teh right one using the same methods as they notwithstanding.

Whether or not the rapture is 'literal' or whatever else intellectual copout you choose to pick and choose, judgement is what is it is. Best hope the eternal God doesn't go back 4000 years.

I do not pick and choose anything. I accept everything according to the rules scripture lays out (for those who are not blind to see).

[Skull-1]

Again, you show your true self. Your lack of self control is noted, monkey.

Insert ape sounds here.

I am perfectly under control. My harshness with you is justified and fully intended--without remorse. Like John the Baptist haranguing Herod and Herodias. You've earned it.

[xmas1997]

Geez, do you guys only want to badger, bait, ridicule, and argue with each other?
Or do you want to share some knowledge?
I sincerely thought this thread was about a great topic, not a pissing contest.
If everyone would simmer down maybe we might get a better understanding of things.
Just asking.

[Skull-1]

Geez, do you guys only want to badger, bait, ridicule, and argue with each other?
Or do you want to share some knowledge?
I sincerely thought this thread was about a great topic, not a pissing contest.
If everyone would simmer down maybe we might get a better understanding of things.
Just asking.

Every time I attempt to bring understanding it is rejected. Just like the prophets. Just like Christ.

The carnal simply will not see.

[xmas1997]

Every time I attempt to bring understanding it is rejected. Just like the prophets. Just like Christ.

The carnal simply will not see.

Have you considered that you may have to get through a lot of false pride, or a lot of preconceived notions, or even lots of prior programming?
You are just going to have to knuckle down and have a lot more patience, tolerance, and forgiveness if your message is ever going to get through. You are going to have to be more Christ like and resist judging someone harshly just because they might not understand your point or opinion.
After reading most of the posts, what I see is your frustration, or perplexity, getting the best of you and thus spoiling you getting your view out.
Obviously your view is wanted, but the putting people down is not.
No one likes being belittled just because they may disagree, or do not understand. Just put yourself in their shoes and look at it.
You've got some awesome news to share. Be as Christ like as you can be and share it. You are not talking to the Pharisees here, you are talking to Spurs Talk fans, some with lots of knowledge and some with very little.

[mouse]

Geez, do you guys only want to badger, bait, ridicule, and argue with each other?
Or do you want to share some knowledge?

You do realize your in the Club, right?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I do not pick and choose anything. I accept everything according to the rules scripture lays out (for those who are not blind to see).

That's what most modern Christians claim. You just change the 'rules' so that you can pick and choose what you want. 'This is not literal.' 'This verse means I can ignore certain things from the Old Testament and not others.'

Your just as cliche.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Every time I attempt to bring understanding it is rejected. Just like the prophets. Just like Christ.

The carnal simply will not see.

Bull . You want to make overbearing statements that you are unable to support or articulate and then play this martyr bull when you are called on it.

When pressed on anything you resort to calling the individual a moron, say that you could explain it then don't, claim that someone else can explain it etc. What you never do is articulate a logical response.

[xmas1997]

You do realize your in the Club, right?

Yeah, but it was good enough to get you to post some of your humor which I always get a kick out of.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Insert ape sounds here.

I am perfectly under control. My harshness with you is justified and fully intended--without remorse. Like John the Baptist haranguing Herod and Herodias. You've earned it.

Uh huh. I question you and show zero deference and you start with the 'moron' and other childish antics. You respond to every post I make to you with obvious anger. You are a robot in this regards.

Now we can talk about whether or not anger is justified etc. I myself believe that the stoicism that current internet culture seems to find virtue in is meaningless but that is besides the point. You are only able to behave when people are actively trying to mollify you. That is yet another basis for axis-1.

[mouse]

Yeah, but it was good enough to get you to post some of your humor which I always get a kick out of.

Trust me my intentions are not to TRoll or disrupt any topic I'm just merely posting the facts as I see them.

Since I support Alternative Design I can't really join in on the conversation.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And another comparison of oneself to a Biblical figure. John's anger at Herod is not like you getting upset and calling people morons on an internet message board. Why not compare yourself to Moses or Jesus again. ffs.

I still want to hear about sci-fi, astronats and Hawking. Have you been diagnosed with an axis-1 disorder?