Why did Germany surrender in WWI despite no foreign occupation of the Fatherland?

[Chief Brody]

[m>s]

That and the treaty of Versailles are what causes is to go ham in round 2, those dishonorable s.

[Chief Brody]

That and the treaty of Versailles are what causes is to go ham in round 2, those dishonorable s.

The biggest tragedy of the 20th century, bar none.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, another fake anti-semite shtick.

Did you guys work this out on AIM?

[Chief Brody]

Good lord you're such a sexual

[AntiChrist]

Look, a guy who hates black QB's is also an anti semite. Shocker.

[Chief Brody]

Look, a guy who hates black QB's is also an anti semite. Shocker.

Don't pretend you don't hate Geno Smith

[AntiChrist]

Don't pretend you don't hate Geno Smith

We can't all find gems in the 6th round.

[m>s]

Good lord you're such a sexual

Ha! Went for the trifecta with det one

And no chump..that doesn't mean a and 2 balls


...and it doesn't mean butt, mouth, and ear? Either

[Chief Brody]

In all seriousness, why do you all think Germany surrendered when they were firmly entrenched on the Western Front and they effectively knocked Russia out of the war? Furthermore, why would they agree to such ridiculous terms at the Paris Peace Conference?

[m>s]

Somebody stepped in and offered somebody an offer they couldn't refuse.

[ChumpDumper]

In all seriousness, why do you all think Germany surrendered when they were firmly entrenched on the Western Front and they effectively knocked Russia out of the war? Furthermore, why would they agree to such ridiculous terms at the Paris Peace Conference?

They knew they were going to lose.

Seriously.

[Chief Brody]

They knew they were going to lose.

Seriously.

It makes no sense to agree to certain economic ruin, especially in the position they were in.

[ChumpDumper]

It makes no sense to agree to certain economic ruin, especially in the position they were in.

That wasn't certain at the time. Military ruin and occupation was certain had they continued.

[Chief Brody]

That wasn't certain at the time. Military ruin and occupation was certain had they continued.

So having to fork over Alsace & Lorraine, ceding land to Poland, losing colonies, and having to fork over $33 billion in reparations while being made to look like a worldwide pariah wasn't certain to lead to economic collapse?

Yet an army that's been budged maybe 5 miles in 4 years and only fighting on one front would lead to certain military ruin and occupation. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense

[ChumpDumper]

So having to fork over Alsace & Lorraine, ceding land to Poland, losing colonies, and having to fork over $33 billion in reparations while being made to look like a worldwide pariah wasn't certain to lead to economic collapse?

Again, they didn't know the terms at the time. Why don't you understand that?

Yet an army that's been budged maybe 5 miles in 4 years and only fighting on one front would lead to certain military ruin and occupation. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense

They lost a quarter of a million dead in one month of failing to budge the other side. Then they had 100k more taken prisoner a few months later. All their allies had given up, their industrial output was cut in half.

They had been trying to negotiate an armistice for two years already. They knew they were done. Their high command stated explicitly they would not last the winter.

[Rogue]

Because the German government and military forces were all dominated by old guards, and the elite generals like my s Manstein and Guderian had yet to attain high ranks in the military back then. There were still extant cowards during the WW2 though, like Friedrich Paulus, son of a was so scared he didn't even dare to fight his own way out of the siege when my Manstein had already arrived with an armored division, and the only mission of resucing Paulus's wimpy ass. Paulus expected my to defeat the Russian troops and carry him out on a stretcher when he still had more than 200,000 soldiers and guns, as well as thousands of canons.

[EVAY]

There was rampant economic ruin in Germany PRIOR to the armistice. They agreed to the armistice and the Versailles Treaty because they were bankrupted by the war. Once the U.S. came into the war, the tide started to turn against stalemate and in favor of the Allies winning. With the armistice, the Germans were hopeful that they could regain some economic strength so as to combat Socialism, which was gaining ground in Germany just as it had in Russia. The Germans didn't beat Russia; the Russians pulled out after the Communist Revolution toppled the Czar's government.

The big fight in Germany post World War One was between Fascism and Communism.

The terms of the Treaty of Versailles essentially reversed the terms of the end of the 1870 war between France and Germany, when Germany took Alsace and Lorraine from France (the two areas had been going back and forth for centuries), and Germany demanded punitive war reparations from France.

[AntiChrist]

Don't pretend you don't hate Geno Smith

Nope, don't hate him.

[EVAY]

There was no demand for 'Unconditional Surrender' at the end of WWI. All parties were sick of it and it had bled each country dry both in terms of treasure and blood (except of course the U.S. which arrived late and claimed to have won it all). No one had to 'fight to the bitter end' because a negotiated end, regardless of how much it was portrayed as 'bitter' and unnecessary by Hitler later on, was perceived to be better than waiting for the destruction of Germany in the same way that France was destroyed by WWI. The Kaiser go them into the war and he wanted very much to survive, as opposed to his cousin Nicholas in Russia.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Nope, don't hate him.

Give it another 11 games when they have game film on him.

[AntiChrist]

Give it another 11 games when they have game film on him.

It was one game -- I'm not reading too much into itk.

[RandomGuy]

In all seriousness, why do you all think Germany surrendered when they were firmly entrenched on the Western Front and they effectively knocked Russia out of the war? Furthermore, why would they agree to such ridiculous terms at the Paris Peace Conference?

Because they were exhausted and outnumbered. The introduction of the US into the war with the industrial might behind it of the newly emerged USA made it very clear that Germany was in a losing proposition.

The concept of "total war" in World War I, meant that supplies had to be redirected towards the armed forces and, with German commerce being stopped by the British blockade, German civilians were forced to live in increasingly meager conditions. Food prices were first controlled. Bread rationing was introduced in 1915 but apart from Berlin it never worked well.[17] Hundreds of thousands of civilians died from malnutrition—usually from a typhus or a disease their weakened body could not resist. (Starvation itself rarely caused death.)[18]

Conditions deteriorated rapidly on the home front, with severe food shortages reported in all urban areas. The causes involved the transfer of so many farmers and food workers into the military, combined with the overburdened railroad system, shortages of coal, and the British blockade that cut off imports from abroad. The winter of 1916-1917 was known as the "turnip winter," because that hardly-edible vegetable, usually fed to livestock, was used by people as a subs ute for potatoes and meat, which were increasingly scarce. Thousands of soup kitchens were opened to feed the hungry people, who grumbled that the farmers were keeping the food for themselves. Even the army had to cut the rations for soldiers.[19] Morale of both civilians and soldiers continued to sink.

The drafting of miners reduced the main energy source, coal. The textile factories produced Army uniforms, and warm clothing for civilians ran short. The device of using ersatz materials, such as paper and cardboard for cloth and leather proved unsatisfactory. Soap was in short supply, as was hot water. All the cities reduced tram services, cut back on street lighting, and close down theaters and cabarets.

The food supply increasingly focused on potatoes and bread, it was harder and harder to buy meat. The meat ration in late 1916 was only 31% of peacetime, and it fell to 12% in late 1918. The fish ration was 51% in 1916, and none at all by late 1917. The rations for cheese, butter, rice, cereals, eggs and lard were less than 20% of peacetime levels.[20] In 1917 the harvest was poor, and the potato supply ran short, and Germans subs uted almost inedible turnips; the "turnip winter" of 1917–18 was remembered with bitter distaste for generations.[21]

The losses in troops were staggering, especially relative to the populations at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties

LOL second guessing long dead leaders who had far better information on the situation than you will ever have.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Because they were exhausted and outnumbered. The introduction of the US into the war with the industrial might behind it of the newly emerged USA made it very clear that Germany was in a losing proposition.



The losses in troops were staggering, especially relative to the populations at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties

LOL second guessing long dead leaders who had far better information on the situation than you will ever have.

lol the french wankers empire consist of many west african countries..a super power but a fkn joke in the real world, owning clowns who only have sticks and rocks to fight against...