It's ESPN ol' sport
Not dissing anyone, but OP acts like Manu 's the godfather or something, and that he was disrespected the same way Vito Corleone was at the beginning of the godfather. C'mon man, it's ESPN. Since when have they given our guys the respect they deserve? Calling it "blatant" IMHO is overreacting. It's not like he was calling Manu names or making fun of Argentina or his family....
He should have played better.
Glad to see the "28 second nightmare" gone...as well as the disappointed tim avatar. It was truly sad to see lol
Did you ONLY watch the NBA finals?
Ginobili had his lowest WS/48 minutes (.155), OWS (2.1), O-rating (107), and highest turnover % (17.3) since his rookie season. He also had his lowest PER (19.0) since 2004, his worst TS% (.560) since his rookie season and an eFG% (.502), second worst of his career. Based on last season's performance, how injury prone he is and age, he's ranked right where he should be.
It's up to him to prove the naysayers wrong.
and the problem is, he's gonna try while popovich will leave him in the game to fuk up. that's been a pattern for a long time now.
He lost us the NBA Finals with turnovers. He shouldn't be so high up there. He had an okay game 5 (but only because he was terrible every other playoff game except Golden State).
There are not 85 players better than Ginobili. SI ranked him 54, i believe, that's much closer to his rank.
Basically this...I agree with this.
Yep, ready to move on though it will always haunt me as a fan.
True I guess 50 seems like a low number but considering there are 500 players in the league 86 doesn't sound horrible, probably still closer to 75 though. Butat the Manu s in this thread getting butthurt. Some of you are incredibly ing stupid if you think Ginobili, at this point in his career in his current form, is better than players like Dirk Nowitzki (just laughable), Pau Gasol, and even Monta Ellis. That or you're just a blind delusional homer. I'm not a Manu hater like TGY/Skull
I can tell how many of these delusional homers only watch the Spurs play basketball reading stupid likethere's no way he deserves to be behind Monta Ellis or Jeff Green!
Monta Ellis >>>>> Ginobili at this point in his career. Prime Manu s all over him but current Manu is pretty much done barring some Duncan-like resurgence. Hoops Czar provided all the evidence anyone needs. Jeff Green was also pretty good for the Celtics last season so not sure why people are crying. Also ironic regarding George Hill, because I remember the CoM vehemently claiming a few seasons ago that Hill was just as good as Parker or likely to be better and that Parker should've been traded
You're on fukin crack, son. Monta 'I'm better that D-Wade' Ellis over Manu? I would take Manu's corpse over that piece of .I can tell how many of these delusional homers only watch the Spurs play basketball reading stupid like
Monta Ellis >>>>> Ginobili at this point in his career. Prime Manu s all over him but current Manu is pretty much done barring some Duncan-like resurgence. Hoops Czar provided all the evidence anyone needs. Jeff Green was also pretty good for the Celtics last season so not sure why people are crying. Also ironic regarding George Hill, because I remember the CoM vehemently claiming a few seasons ago that Hill was just as good as Parker or likely to be better and that Parker should've been traded
You're talking to a guy who claimed LeBron was the next T-Mac and proposed a Green + Diaw for Iman Shumpert trade, what do you expect
As a human being you are en led to your completely ass backwards and deluded opinion and I respect that
btw not sure what Monta said about Wade has to do with anything. Pretty sure he said he was just as good as Wade, not better than him. Are we gonna on Rose now because he claimed he's the best player in the NBA when the entire world knows that's hore ?
I'm with my brotha robdiaz. It isn't wether Manu is good or not good anymore, is that Monta Ellis has always been a mediocre, me-first chucker, with an oversized ego that has never made his team/teammates better.
This Spurs team is built upon the premise of sharing the ball, and getting everyone involved (including the opposition, apparently, but I digress). Guys like Tiago only produce to the extent that somebody is creating and feeding the ball to him. That's why there's no room for Monta Ellises on this team...
I'm actually OK with Hill being ranked where he is. He's always been lousy as PG, and I'm glad we swapped him for Kawhi who fills a much bigger need and has a higher ceiling, IMO.
Monta Ellis has played on teams his entire career. You cannot deny the dude has a lot of talent, I'm not saying he isn't selfish or a ballhog but he is a better overall player than Ginobili at this point in their careers. When he played for the Warriors with Jackson, Davis, and Richardson, he didn't need to be the #1 and actually played pretty well in his role. I think he will look better on a team like Dallas with a player like Dirk who can legitimately carry an offense, something Ellis has never had. The Bucks were absolute trash, who was he supposed to pass to, the chucker Jennings who wouldn't pass it back either? I'm not saying he's an elite player, and he's ranked pretty low, just saying he's better than Manu right now. I think we'll see him play a much more well-rounded game this season in Dallas. Plus he has a true passing PG in Calderon to set him up and he'll be open when Dirk is doubled. I think he will do very well in Dallas imo
He's a career 19/5 player at ~46% from the field, that is not "mediocre" at all.
Personally, I hope he keeps on sucking... especially since he's in Dallas now, tbh
He has always been athletic as and there's no doubt he always had a scorer mentality (I would take Monta over Kevin Martin any day too).
He just isn't what the Spurs want at that position: a playmaker. Which is why signing Belli makes sense.
Agree, I'm not saying he's a better fit because for our team he isn't he's just a gifted scorer who imo hasn't really had much opportunity or the right franchise/coaches/players around him to be successful. I am on the Beli train though, I'm expecting great things from him
Didn't you just said he always played for ty teams? How hard is it to pad your on crappy teams?
We'll see how he does in Dallas. I like that roster in general, and I'm sure he'll get his numbers, but I get the feeling Dirk's knee will be a much larger factor on how they do than Ellis production.
Yeah but his stats were still pretty solid playing next to Davis/Jackson/Richardson when the Warriors weren't ty for a couple seasons. If it were so easy to average 19 and 5 for a career, considering how many ty teams there are in the league, we'd have a lot more 20ppg scorers instead of barely any.
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